Syrian War: News #21

It is good that Russia and Turkey working together. I hope Turkey separates forces from Rats. Just stay in their observation posts. But the Rats, only signed a death pact with the devil. They will fight. And will the Turks be able to keep out this time?  Well, if they are properly demarcated, then no more mistakes can be done. They keep out of direct fighting SAA or Russia and sell tomatoes and sing happy songs, travelling on m4. Even if they still give some weapons to Rats. Maybe it will this time just be official war by proxy. Instead of unofficial  direct war. An improvement, I may say. But SAA, needs to be ready. For this front. The problem of Turk occupation of other areas remain. As well as taking Syria oil................Refugee return........ Must keep friendship global . Disputes are local.

Anyone know what is going to happen to all the OP that are behind SAA lines?

I imagine Russia is giving incentives to Turkey in the form of increased trade as both sides demanded of at least $100B dollars for trade. Turkey economy is in desperate need of these deals and Russia is in desperate need of more clients. Both can benefit greatly with each other and hopefully they can work out the deal without Erdogan going mad dog.

...lol, he must have interests in tomato farms

Thanks. Maybe they will try a low profile pull out. Hope the SAA are making a good profit supplying those OP.

On tomatoes I seem to remember the Russians increasing the monthly limit by 50000 tons a couple of months ago.

Only HTS and TIP reject ceasefire. The battle goes on. Except this time only against these two until they are destroyed.

Russia proxy army called Hezbollah battle HTS and TIP in Idlib

https://twitter.com/AndrewBritani/status/1235559735421698049?s=09

https://twitter.com/Bosni_94/status/1235558656059547648

miketheterrible wrote:I imagine Russia is giving incentives to Turkey in the form of increased trade as both sides demanded of at least $100B dollars for trade. Turkey economy is in desperate need of these deals and Russia is in desperate need of more clients.  Both can benefit greatly with each other and hopefully they can work out the deal without Erdogan going mad dog.

That is simply not true. Russia's GDP does not depend on exports. So no desperate search for clients whatsoever. It would be nice, but getting in bed with
enemy dogs gives one enemy fleas.

So going by the proposed ceasefire lines the SAA will gain ground if what has been mentioned will actually happen. I doubt it hold for long terrorists will break it and the SAA need to be prepared for it. At least they will be 6km from the M4 giving good fire control and will aid capturing it easier when ceasefire is broken.  Turkey will most likely send more troops complicating targeting of terrorists and bring more weapons and armor and be looking for weak areas to attack when they break the ceasefire. Russia and SAA will need to reinforce areas gained bring in more equipment and carry out recce flights and have aircraft loaded and ready for ceasefire being broken.  Likely be broken by end of the month.

Another devious tactic erdo could pull is giving Turkish army uniforms to terror scumbags so when they get wasted he will use them as an excuse to target SAA. Although it's likely he's already used this tactic or he will look to absorb them into the Turkish army under a new separate unit. Whatever happens erdo is going to play a dirty game

Russia can wear a flea collar if it comes to that... for goodness sake... they sell stuff to Saudi Arabia, which is a country that has willfully done a hell of a lot worse to Russia and the Soviet Union over the last few decades than Turkey has managed...

Russia don't need to be joined at the hip, but it is of course better if they are not shooting at each other either... they have plenty of areas where they can work together and both make money or get products they want for a good price...

Another devious tactic erdo could pull is giving Turkish army uniforms to terror scumbags so when they get wasted he will use them as an excuse to target SAA. Although it's likely he's already used this tactic or he will look to absorb them into the Turkish army under a new separate unit. Whatever happens erdo is going to play a dirty game

If he does that and gets caught when some are captured alive and turn out not to be Turkish soldiers then of course all bets are off and Turkish uniforms can become a target spot for all involved until they can work out something to make them want to stop doing that...

ultimatewarrior wrote:Only HTS and TIP reject ceasefire. The battle goes on. Except this time only against these two until they are destroyed.

those are old videos.. from january-feb ,when turkey invasion began.. to reverse the gains of SAA ,that
2 turkey soldiers died.. apparently.


When it comes to the so called deal or not..  
i always told from day one , that Russia interest are not about restoring 100% of the territory of Syria..
But about totally destroying Alqaeda and every other terrorist group and for returning the security of syria and
for ending for once the war and creating the conditions for prosperity to return to syria..  that will have been
clear ... the Russian UN representative.. reprimanded ASSAd when he told in interview ,that the war will not
end until 100% of Syrian territory liberated.. he explained that kurds will have to be negotiations and flexibility
with them.. (territory negotiations) and now Russia is offering not freezing the liberation of more territory north of the m4 highway and west of m5 highway.. beyond the buffer zone .

So basically Putin told.. we promise to not advance more if you agree to fully reopen all m4 and m5 highways and allow SAA to hold their captured land.. and a a buffer zone there around those roads ,patrolled by Russia and turkey. On top the right of Russia airforce to continue bombing alqaeda..positions that attacks SAA. it not the most ideal deal of all.. but is neither bad deal at all.. is an ok balanced deal .that allows Erdogan to save face for loses in idlib , while at the same time claim victory with his fanbase.. that idlib city which their people live is theirs..  So erdogan lost territory in the deal.. and Putin did not liberated most of m4 territory ,but a free navigation buffer zone in m4 will be an alternative for capturing it..

If Erdogan army stop the hostilities and cease of fire hold ,that is the fighting between turkey army and SAA hold.. then there is a big potential for the war to end.. Idlib.. and the remaining land Syria can retake it through diplomacy with a different government.

which ever be the case... there is  a photo that speak more than a wall of text..

Stress test passed: Russia and Turkey continue to work in Syria



https://www.rt.com/op-ed/482443-putin-erdogan-stress-test-idlib/


either..
1)Erdogan is a master in deceiving his enemies.. and putin fall from it..
2) Or truly Erdogan appreciate his relations with Putin.. and will genuinely seek to make the deal work..

Body languages shows there is a genuine desire to work together.. and they both will make it work.


Either case. if Erdogan betrays Russia again.. it will not matter that much ,because Syria captured a lot of
territory with the last advance and they did not retreated from any captured land.. so they can restart the fight again and and SAA capture more territory and another cease of fire.. etc.. but Erdogan will be a fool if he
don't honor this time the deal.. because now ERdogan can save face.. since he captured some land from syria..
and still will control idlib main city..So erdogan can save face from the military defeat of his army and putin will be allowed to hold its gained land.

I really think ,this cease of fire is more important.. than any other cease of fire in human modern history ,
IF if it hold and is a success.. lets say ,the fighting stop in 1-2 weeks..   then this will teach United States ,NATO ,Israel and all Russian enemies ,how diplomacy can avoid major conflicts ,including nuclear wars from happening. So this major negotiation between Putin and Erdogan.. could truly become the standard in future diplomacy in the world.. this iron nerves restrain ,to keep doors open ,even in the middle of a fight. I truly
agree ,that if this cease of fire works and relations restored , then Putin deserves the novel peace prize...
because no many politicians ,can do diplomacy like this .. this is something unheard off.. in history , with the exception of Russian tzars.. that also were masters in diplomacy.. Russia empire will have never become successful without its power and without its diplomacy  . Im sure putin follows by the script many of the past
success of Russia empire diplomacy.  Be cool but using force at same time.. when the need for it arise.  


And yes good catch about Catherine the Great Statue ,in the meeting room.. couldn't be a better
place to sign a cease of fire.. She rolled back the ottoman empire ocuppation of turks in crimea
and southern europe.

Back to a happy place...

There is no ceasefire with HTS and TIP. Military ops continue and their land will shrink more and more.

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Widespread discontent among the pro-Turkish militants, due to Erdogan's failure to honor his promises to bring the Syrian army to the back of Turkish observation points.++

also turkey is returning the refugees ,it earlier released to greece.. they will be send to idlib again.

@ahmedfire

the image you released of Erdogan and putin with angry faces. appears to be old.. from g20 meeting in turkey..
or it could be in india.. notice the indian like staff and art decoration.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I imagine Russia is giving incentives to Turkey in the form of increased trade as both sides demanded of at least $100B dollars for trade. Turkey economy is in desperate need of these deals and Russia is in desperate need of more clients.  Both can benefit greatly with each other and hopefully they can work out the deal without Erdogan going mad dog.

That is simply not true.   Russia's GDP does not depend on exports.  So no desperate search for clients whatsoever.   It would be nice, but getting in bed with
enemy dogs gives one enemy fleas.

While I know it doesn't make much difference to Russia's GDP with export, I'm talking in sense in cementing long term agreements.

While I trust Turks as much as I can throw them (this goes for most people of most nations), I think it would be at least ideal for Russia to cement long term agreements with turkey. It could benefit Russia.

kvs wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

kvs wrote:Maybe the Russian government has finally started to grow a pair.  I would threaten to kill Turk Stream and other trade and let these
imperial-wannabes chose.  This requires Russia to finally consider not shipping cheap gas to EU-tards who are now openly supporting
Turk invaders to spite Russia.  Eat sh*t, scum.

Um No EU nation is actively supporting the turks in idlib.

Also, A lot of Russia's income is created by that gas and if Russia weaponized the gas like that it would only play into the hands of the US. So it's a good thing you aren't in power.

exactly,  if they start using it as a weapon and threaten to stop the transit,  it would backfire. Russia shall not be too dependent on gas and oil exports, but if they provide resources to invest in the country it would be silly to leave the market only for the americans.

USA is slowly losing the control on the world economy and soon also the dollar will stop be used as the main world currency,  just because of its weaponisation from the American government...

Russia shall not walk on the same path...

You are both deluded westerners who think Russia needs to sell the gas to you more than it needs to keep it for
itself in the future.  The only backfire, you ignorant clowns, will be on the EU-tard economy.  You think that
Germany will put up a few more windmills and that will solve the energy gap.  Hilarious.  That must be why Germany
is burning coal while fretting about global warming.  Since all those solar panels and windmills are such easy
replacements for natural gas and nuclear.   Delusion is strong indeed.

Russia atm is heavily dependent on fossil fuels for its income if your going to be a moron and start calling people clowns at least look up the facts.

Last year alone fossil fuels made up near 50 percent of its export income. So yes let Russia weaponize it's fossil fuels and give people a reason not to do business with them.

Your delusions are strong indeed

also turkey is returning the refugees ,it earlier released to greece.. they will be send to idlib again.

He said no changes for this point .

the image you released of Erdogan and putin with angry faces. appears to be old.. from g20 meeting in turkey..
or it could be in india.. notice the indian like staff and art decoration.

I didn't post this one , i posted only the photo of Catherine the Great

Russia atm is heavily dependent on fossil fuels for its income if your going to be a moron and start calling people clowns at least look up the facts.

I don't claim to be an expert on economics, but it is pretty clear you don't understand the difference between exports and income.

At the moment Russia makes a shit ton of money on gas and oil exports that is true, but saying they are dependent on energy exports is like saying the US is dependent on Silicon valley income or hollywood income... Russia has a wide range of production products it makes itself and its portfolio of products it makes all the parts for is probably much larger than any western country on the planet right now.

Russia has enormous oil and gas and mineral deposits within its territory, and I realise that pisses off the west no end but to try to paint them as a gas station that doesn't make anything is juvenile... and totally off base.

GarryB wrote:

Russia atm is heavily dependent on fossil fuels for its income if your going to be a moron and start calling people clowns at least look up the facts.

I don't claim to be an expert on economics, but it is pretty clear you don't understand the difference between exports and income.

At the moment Russia makes a shit ton of money on gas and oil exports that is true, but saying they are dependent on energy exports is like saying the US is dependent on Silicon valley income or hollywood income... Russia has a wide range of production products it makes itself and its portfolio of products it makes all the parts for is probably much larger than any western country on the planet right now.

Russia has enormous oil and gas and mineral deposits within its territory, and I realise that pisses off the west no end but to try to paint them as a gas station that doesn't make anything is juvenile... and totally off base.

Russia relies on energy revenue to drive most of its growth currently.

Russia's Hard currency if you know what that is which anyone who knows economics should, is again mostly made up of energy revenue.

While it's true economics are a hard thing to pin down the idea Russia should use the product it relies on has a driving source for its growth. Has a weapon to force other countrie to comply is lunacy.

Not to mention from guys who like to trash the US, they sure do LOVE suggesting the use of many of our tactics. I find that part just rich, hate us but you wanna copy how we do things. Hilarious.

There is a difference between the hard and soft currency of a nation, of course, most people here would have you believe otherwise.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Russia relies on energy revenue to drive most of its growth currently.

Russia's Hard currency if you know what that is which anyone who knows economics should, is again mostly made up of energy revenue.

While it's true economics are a hard thing to pin down the idea Russia should use the product it relies on has a driving source for its growth. Has a weapon to force other countrie to comply is lunacy.

Not to mention from guys who like to trash the US, they sure do LOVE suggesting the use of many of our tactics. I find that part just rich, hate us but you wanna copy how we do things. Hilarious.

There is a difference between the hard and soft currency of a nation, of course, most people here would have you believe otherwise.

Whilst trying not to go too fat O/T here are some figures

The following export product groups represent the highest dollar value in Russian global shipments during 2018. Also shown is the percentage share each export category represents in terms of overall exports from Russia.

Mineral fuels including oil: US$237.6 billion (52.9% of total exports)
Iron, steel: $23.4 billion (5.2%)
Cereals: $10.5 billion (2.3%)
Gems, precious metals: $10.1 billion (2.2%)
Machinery including computers: $9.2 billion (2%)
Wood: $9 billion (2%)
Fertilizers: $8.2 billion (1.8%)
Aluminum: $6.6 billion (1.5%)
Copper: $5.4 billion (1.2%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $4.9 billion (1.1%)

Note that the results listed above are at the categorized two-digit Harmonized Tariff System (HTS) code level.

So yes, energy is by far the largest export sector and almost certainly the most profitable. It is the largest in terms of $ pricing although that is rapidly changing as Russia is moving to Euro or Rouble pricing on all new and existing renewal contracts. Those current $ contracts seem converted to gold on receipt of $. This is not good for the $ long term as just like the US ramps up the $ as a weapon, sanctions etc., the rest of the World is trying to reduce their use of it.

Russia has never used oil or gas as a weapon against its customers, to them a contract is sacrosanct. It is still however a very useful soft diplomatic tool. It doesn't stop it from using its energy companies as hard diplomatic tools if it has to, like Venezuela.

Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/LuftwaffeAS/status/1235517053123076096

Syrian mig29SM above syrian desert. They fly them unarmed whike turkish and israeli jets fly around 24/7 and shoot at them all day. Then they wonder why they suck at war.

At least they let the Talisman ECM pods but even a single r77 and a r73 would make it more survivalable.

They are not professional at all.

It is archive footage anyway...maybe it was training flight from before the war

So Erdog has sold his Terrorists for some tomatoes. And now he saying that that turkey will push rapeugees into Europe, how long until he is taken out?