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    Syrian War: News #22

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:26 pm

    Isos wrote:You can't compare btr and MRAPs. That's two different vehicles.
    Btr isn't suited to fight guerillas because it's not well protected against them (IED, rpg from all sides ...).
    MRAP can't fight a conventional army. It can be spoted 5 km away. It's as big as a house. It's main role is to protect the infantry inside against guerillas type attacks.
    Btr is small and a hard target for enemy armor but also has a big gun to use against enemy vehicles.

    Vehicles build to fight a conventional army are designed keeping in mind the enemy is in front of them. Guerillas attack from all sides. That's why you don't use a tank like t-72 to fight in cities. It has a very good protection in the front but guerillas will attack it on the side or top and make it explode easily.

    Another case of what sounds good on paper isn't the case on the field an MRAP will not protect you from an SVIBED. Reading on the internet only helps so much.

    A BTR actually has a better chance of that, the only thing MRAPS are good for is protecting against explosions underneath the chassis, that is what they are designed for.

    Russians do not patrol on closed roads so an MRAP isn't really needed in that situation, the roads are open for civilian vehicles so if they did plant an IED, the civi's would set it off first.

    The reason you'd want to use an MRAP is if you are traveling on pretty much-unused roads that are closed to public vehicles or you are going across ground you never did before.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:41 pm

    The BTR-82 is no MRAP, but it is reasonably well armoured and its size and shape would help against IEDs too.

    IN Afghanistan it was quite common to see a BTR with a wheel blown off by a land mine but the vehicle just keeps on rolling... unlike tracked vehicles of course where a mine usually destroys a track and renders the vehicle immobile.

    The BTR-82 has improved armour and also spall liner and would probably say it is very well suited to operations in Syria.

    The worst thing about it is probably poor access into and out of the vehicle... it is not terrible and in fact by having side doors means you are more likely to be able to get out on the opposite side from where the attack is taking place. In comparison a large rear ramp could allow an attack from behind result in a HE RPG round going into the troop compartment and taking out the whole squad in one shot.

    I would say the good optics and powerful 30mm cannon would be rather valuable in shooting at vehicle based IEDs with rounds that will stop the target and detonate it too...
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:30 pm

    Interesting claim.

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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:13 am



    Turkish UAVs bombed a Russian communications center in the western city of Darbasiyah, wounding two Russian soldiers. According ANHA

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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:17 am

    SSO firing artillery in Syria...wasn't aware they operated howitzers

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    Full gallery here:
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:41 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:SSO firing artillery in Syria...wasn't aware they operated howitzers

    When you want the job doing right .................

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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:48 am

    SAA Kamikaze drones...

    I'm honored to introduce you to Syria's own kamikaze drone. Photo today from an attack on Sarmda, Idlib. By Syria TV.
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    The drone is a copy of Israeli Uvision's Hero family, which were used against Syria before.

    Three Syrian drones of this type targeted the headquarters of Watad, the fuel company of al-Qaeda's HTS in Sarmada in the morning. The strikes were precise.

    https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/1284439229356027905
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:16 pm

    Possibly Armenian or Iranian. There has to be something in those Il-76 from Tehran.

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    Copied from Israeli Uvision's Hero that were already used against Syria?

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    Post  Isos Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:40 pm

    Did Russia send some of its own suicide drones there ?
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm

    Isos wrote:Did Russia send some of its own suicide drones there ?

    Maybe but the ones I have see have a larger tail assembly than on the picture.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:32 am

    Bet the locals didn't like this!

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    Post  medo Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:02 am

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/missile-fragments-from-israeli-syrian-confrontation-fall-in-jordan-video/

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (8:00 A.M.) – A fire broke out on Monday evening in an empty area in the Irbid Governorate of Jordan, after fragments from a Syrian air defense missile and Israeli projectile fell inside the Hashemite Kingdom.

    Citing the media spokesman for the Public Security Directorate’s statement, the Jordan Today website reported that the fire resulted from the fall of a shell in the Bani Kenana area, which is in the northern part of the Irbid Governorate, near the Syrian border.

    Israel made a new massive missile strike on Damascus from outside Syria. Syrian air defense shot down big part of them and this time they even shot down Israeli missiles over Jordan.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:17 am

    Iran should have kept the use of  it's  air defence in Syria, to the last minute, before it attacked either the Yanks or Usraelis. Now the secret is out. They will soon discover how to target or jam. Either stop using this air defence. Or attack and use it, when needed. Over Iranian sky, where most needed. As Iran just declared war on Yanks......

    Also keep an eye on yank and Usrael sattelite orbits. They are watching to discover location of tunnels and missiles as they break cover, ready to strike. Take out dummy missile and AD, first. Move them about. Put them around dummy target. Light the fires........
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:51 am

    It is important to keep some secrets, but you never know how good your stuff is until you use it and let the enemy try and defeat it... untested systems can be worse than useless... if the Soviets didn't send their systems in to real combat around the world they would still be using SA-2 and SA-3 types to shoot down bombers, and SA-6 for fighters... and right now they would be almost as vulnerable as HATO to air attack... Twisted Evil
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    Post  nomadski Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:02 am


    Maybe you are right. Providing I think, that once you learn lesson, that updates can quickly be made. And in time before enemy takes advantage of weakness. What if they will discover weakness. And attack. Have we got system B.... C.... D ?

    I remember once asking someone for martial art lesson. I was not able to block a punch. He nearly broke my nose. AD systems quickly loose effectiveness. They rely on radio. So no good testing. Of course it will be circumvented. After a few days or a couple of weeks. But some systems can not be easily defeated. A rifle bullet is very hard to stop. Gives away no secrets. Destroys electrical transformer....
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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:24 am

    Well you don't win a war with defensive weapons. That's not a secret.

    IMO Israel is more affraid that Iran send some cruise missile launchers with the AD rather than of the AD systems.

    With 50 cruise missiles in Syria and another 50 in north Yemen, Israel is fucked. They could target their nuclear program too. Israel is short on AD systems to face in the same time the rockets from Hamas and Hezbollah (they always move their batteries north/south dependug where the tesions are). Against a volley of cruise missile they would be defenceless.

    The choice of targets would be funny. They coukd destroy the f-35s in their bunkers, civilian structures (dams, power supplies, nuclear production...) or their military industry. As a matter of not esxalating IMO it would be the base from where israeli fighters come when they attack Syria.

    Israel is small and you don't need 2500km range kalibr against them. A smaller cruise missile with 1000km range is more than enough. Iran has the advantage of having troops in Syria and Yemen. On the other side if Israel wants to attack them they need hakf of their air force and tens of tankers and travel 3 or 4 arab countries that will probably give a call to Iran.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:26 pm

    Agree. Pure defensive is over. Also it is no longer relevant if recent fires etc, in Iran were accident or not or who responsible. Since the leadership decided to declare war on America. For killing of Iranian General.

    Will they attack Usrael. Maybe not. If they can help it. Or Saudi or anyone else. Since they are giving reason for Yanks to use their territory as airfield for yank planes. But will Usraelis keep out ? Highly unlikely. But best wait and see, who wants to fight. Before reducing their land to pebbles.

    I do not see, Iran backing down now. Since doing so, irrespective of what Yanks do, will mean a massive loss of confidence in leadership. And political instability. So I do not believe this statement was made public, for sake of convincing Yanks to withdraw. But because it give them a chance to explain to their people, why they get asses kicked and they will not retaliate !

    Withdraw under fire. Utter defeat and humiliation.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:45 pm

    Actually if they hit Israel, arab populations in neighbour countries, including saudi arabia, will not let US strike back or bring more G.I's. It could even push them to ask harder for the US exit from the region.

    Sunni monarchies can't help Israel against Iran. They would be under danger to be removed specially by their militaries. That's a red line for them.

    An Iranian strike on Israel can unite all of them against US/Israel. IMO US are affraid of that and that's why there was no israeli attempt to strike Iran.

    Again IMO iran, if it decide to strike, will go for Israeli nuclear reactors like the israeli did against Iraq and syria. And they might loose their nuclear capability because even nuclear weapons need to be replaced one day or another.

    What changes for Israel is that today ballistic and cruise missiles, even the ones produced by poor countries like Iran or north korea, are presice enough to destroy anything. Their air force can be stronger than others but it can't really protect from missiles and AD systems can be overwhelmed.

    Israeli enjoyed air dominance for the last 50 years but today it's irrevelant because even houtis can attack deep inside their territory which is very small.
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    Post  starman Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:08 pm

    Isos wrote:Actually if they hit Israel, arab populations in neighbour countries, including saudi arabia, will not let US strike back or bring more G.I's. It could even push them to ask harder for the US exit from the region.

    Israel would strike back hard without US help. And arab populations aren't making policy.

    Sunni monarchies can't help Israel against Iran. They would be under danger to be removed specially by their militaries. That's a red line for them.

    I thought the Saudi military is under the command of princes, who'd back the regime no matter what. For some time the KSA has been a quasi-ally of Israel against Iran.

    An Iranian strike on Israel can unite all of them against US/Israel.

    It would make Iran popular among the Arab street, but it's of limited relevance.

    IMO US are affraid of that and that's why there was no israeli attempt to strike Iran.

    Maybe not overtly but covertly they've been striking all over the place…..

    Again IMO iran, if it decide to strike, will go for Israeli nuclear reactors like the israeli did against Iraq and syria. And they might loose their nuclear capability because even nuclear weapons need to be replaced one day or another.

    What changes for Israel is that today ballistic and cruise missiles, even the ones produced by poor countries like Iran or north korea, are presice enough to destroy anything. Their air force can be stronger than others but it can't really protect from missiles and AD systems can be overwhelmed.

    Israeli enjoyed air dominance for the last 50 years but today it's irrevelant because even houtis can attack deep inside their territory which is very small.

    Very optimistic views. I wish you were right but…..history shows zionist power shouldn't be underestimated.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:48 am

    Should change their names from White Helmets to Used Condoms, it would be far more accurate! If they can lie and engage in embezzlement and fraud at this magnitude (against their very own allies and supporters no less), than they can lie about other things too! I wonder what that could be?....Embarassed  clown

    Founder of Foundation behind White Helmets Admits Fraud

    According to its founder, fraud has been committed in the Dutch organisation that received over a hundred million euros in donations for the rescue workers of the White Helmets in Syria. European governments ended their subsidies without going public about the wrongdoings.

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    The foundation concerned is Mayday Rescue in Amsterdam. Founder James Le Mesurier informed the donor countries – including the Netherlands – about the fraud and financial abuse in November last year. In his letter, which de Volkskrant has, he offers his resignation.

    Three days later, Le Mesurier died after a fall from his apartment in Istanbul, Turkey. The death of the 48-year-old British rescue worker was world news. The Turkish authorities assume that he killed himself.

    The White Helmets gained international praise for saving civilians from the rubble in Syria, often after bombardments by Syrian government forces or its ally Russia. A Netflix documentary about the rescue workers won an Oscar. The White Helmets were twice nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Until the end of last year, the Mayday Rescue Foundation in Amsterdam was the European cashbox for the White Helmets. Western governments donated dozens of millions through the foundation. The Netherlands contributed 12.5 million euros. The Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs ended the support in 2018, shortly before Le Mesurier reported the fraud.

    The problems at the foundation came to light in November last year, when a Dutch accountant visited the Mayday office in Istanbul. He uncovered false receipts that were made up to reveal that 50,000 dollars had disappeared. Le Mesurier admitted to the accountant that he had paid out of the money, which was intended for the White Helmets, to himself.

    He wrote to the donor countries that he believed this to be fraud, even though, according to him, it was not done on purpose. ‘I accept the full and sole responsibility.’

    After Le Mesurier’s death, the donor countries instigated a forensic inquiry of Mayday’s books. The governments involved wish to keep this inquiry secret, according to the new Mayday administrator, Cor Vrieswijk. This paper has had access to the inquiry’s summary.

    The summary says that there is no evidence for embezzlement. However, most of the financial administration of Mayday is missing. Some of the larger transactions can therefore not be checked anymore. The fraud reported by Le Mesurier himself is the result of a ‘misunderstanding’, according to the investigators.

    ‘It’s an enormous relief for us and the donor countries’, says Vrieswijk, who is a former top manager with Transavia and EasyJet and was appointed ‘trouble-shooter’ at Mayday in March.

    So far as is known, the donor countries did not inform their parliaments about the financial wrongs. The Mayday Foundation was funded by public money. Germany and Great Britain, the two biggest donors, declined to answer questions.

    Germany is now re-claiming almost 50,000 euros from Mayday. The Netherlands will not transfer a final subsidy of over 57,000 euros. Vrieswijk says that the foundation will be discontinued within a couple of months.

    Accountancy firm SMK found a number of problems in November. For one thing, Mayday was not just a non-profit Dutch foundation but also had commercial branches in Turkey and Dubai. There was no supervisory board, which meant that administrators could decide their own salaries, which in some cases amounted to 26,000 euros a month.

    Such figures are above the approved salary ceiling of a subsidised organisation in the Netherlands. In addition, Le Mesurier, his wife – also one of the administrators – and a third administrator would pay themselves cash bonuses, on top of their salaries. Vrieswijk calls the salaries ‘excessive’. ‘But the donor countries knew about this and had given their consent.’

    The White Helmets are still active in Syria, at the moment mostly doing COVID-19 prevention, such as disinfecting refugee camps. Director Raed al Saleh states that the White Helmets ‘have nothing to do with the Mayday Rescue Foundation’. Subsidies now reach them through other organisations.

    This spring, Mayday suspended its financial director. He had ‘an initiating role’ in bringing the problems at Mayday to light, was the conclusion of the Amsterdam court in a verdict concerning the employment conflict. The financial director declined to respond.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:37 am

    @ Isos

    The reason, I think Iran decided to strike back directly against America and not just using allies in Iraq or Syria or Lebanon :

    ( 1 ) The killing of peace envoy Iranian General, sanctions and sabotage from America.

    ( 2 ) Iranian allies either politically or militarily constrained and vulnerable.

    ( 3 ) Bringing in Usrael or Saudi, will allow use of  land as aircraft carrier for Americans.

    ( 4 ) Any damage on Usrael / Saudi, will not compel Yanks to stop war against Iran.

    @ Starman

    Of course Iranians will strike. Looks like the Americans are targets now. But reason that, they are ready for this. Because :

    ( 1 )  They can not live in peace and security.

    ( 2 )  They are willing to either deter counter - attack entirely. Or :

    ( 3 )  They are willing to suffer and inflict increasing casualties.

    ( 4 )  The Americans  are not ready for either scenario.

    (  5 )  The same applies to Usraelis.

    @ Magnumcromagnon

    If the Russians and allies, for various reasons will not force an end to war in Syria, by defeating the Rats completely. Then it will take a long time to arrive at political solution. Since once there is killing, on a social scale. It will take multiple generations for the wounds to heal. As an example , it took 50 years for Europe to come together after WW 2. Into a more normal, post war situation. So in the absence of a defeat for Rats, a cold War will exist in Syria for at least two generations. With all the trimmings. A palatable situation for Russia or allies?
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:32 pm

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (10:50 A.M.) – The joint Russian-Turkish patrol managed on Wednesday to reach the last point on the M-4 Highway (Aleppo-Latakia), which links the provinces of Latakia and Aleppo through the Idlib Governorate.

    This is the first time that Russian patrols have reached the last point of the international highway, according to the agreement that was approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin during his meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on March 5th in Moscow.

    Previously, the Russian and Turkish troops were blocked by jihadist forces, primarily Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) and protesters from villages around the M-4 Highway in Idlib.

    In fact, earlier this month, a Russian and Turkish patrol came under attack near the town of Ariha, resulting in three Turkish soldiers needing to be hospitalized.

    Despite sporadic clashes in northwestern Syria, the ceasefire established by Erdogan and Putin has mostly held in the Idlib Governorate.

    The reason for this is due to the large presence of Russian and Turkish troops that have been concentrated along the M-4 Highway.

    While both the Syrian Army and militant forces continue to buildup their troops along the front-lines, it appears, for now, that the ceasefire continues to hold across Idlib.


    https://geopolitics.news/middle-east/russian-and-turkish-forces-complete-entire-m-4-highway-patrol-for-first-time/
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:57 pm

    Absolutely disgusting!!! 2 USAF F-15's harass a civilian Iranian airliner over Syrian airspace (the destination was Lebanon, and the passengers are Lebanese citizens). The airliner had to take drastic measures that caused injuries to the passengers and nearly led to disaster!

    https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1286632380506218498

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:05 am

    Trump screwed up over the corona virus... he tried blaming China but it hasn't really worked and he is worried he might not get reelected... so plan B is a quick and easy war/conflict... the problem is that a conflict with Iran wont be quick or easy, but is he smart enough to know that?

    I realise he is the backtrack king and depending on the way the wind blows he can say the complete opposite thing the next day... that might be handy... the rocket man can be his best friend tomorrow... even though that rocket man doesn't realise that under all the smarm and BS he is just the same lying wanker that created the whole bad situation in the first place...

    He is the arsonist fire fighter... he is always at the scene of the fire first because he starts them himself.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:18 am

    Crod said, soon there will be  Democrat in white House. Some foolish Iranians think that the Leopard will change it's spots. They say let's wait before November. But the Leopard does not change it's spots.

    Iranians or Chinese or Russians, should not hold their breath, in expectation. They should not engineer policy towards USA, according to the American political techno speak. Perhaps a new president in the White House, will have had a good appetite. He ate eggs and bacon for breakfast. He is in a good mood. Today he will not bomb us. Let's wait and see.................. .... Biden and Boris both clapped and cheered the murder of Iranian peace envoy. The murdered General. 400 years of racist colonialism. Murder of other people's...

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202007241079978377-israeli-helicopters-attack-targets-in-southern-syria-idf-says/

    So despite Iranian SAM. the helicopter can fly. And Iranian SAM can not. They fire and we do not. The cure is not simply drive out yank from bases in ME.  Or move equipment or troops. Since any nation can and has right to station them, and they will . And difficult to go to war with every nation. And they can fire  from afar. But we have to fire at them. And burn into their memory, of who we are. So their children and grandchildren.......... Will remember and shake with fear......

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