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Syrian War: News #22

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magnumcromagnon Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:29 pm

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Big attack on SDF oil smuggling centre around Tarhin oil market in the Al-Bab area in northern Aleppo. The two strikes to the places of fuels and lubricants today.

Could be a couple of Iskander and three Tochka.

Different videos at these links, the first is the cluster munitions

https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1367901548345516034

https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/1367884943121129485

https://twitter.com/neccamc1/status/1367925381932650498

Man, I missed snackbaring from Syria with mushroom clouds in the distance

I always loved mushrooms on my brick-fired pizzas.

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Good for the russians they are finally starting to flex on the turks let they should have from the start, that's the only language the turks understand. Trying to talk or reason with Erdo is nothing but a time waster.

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crod Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:44 pm

JohninMK wrote:Thanks The_Observer.

The White Helmets (well they were white) fire crew kinda gives the game away

This how it looked before the 'gifts from the sky'. Estimated 150 tanker trucks.

jesus h christ - that's severe

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Isos Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:54 am

Parking all your fuel trucks this way when you face a powerfull air force... I guess someone will get fired in Turkey.

However that's replacable quickly. They need to take out oil production instead.

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JohninMK Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:03 am

Isos wrote:Parking all your fuel trucks this way when you face a powerfull air force... I guess someone will get fired in Turkey.

However that's replacable quickly. They need to take out oil production instead.

I doubt that all those trailers and tractor units will be replaced all that easily. Where will they get them from?

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Isos Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:11 am

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I doubt that all those trailers and tractor units will be replaced all that easily. Where will they get them from?

Old turkish trucks (with some repairs). They can buy on civilian market through Turkey.

You can even buy new chinese trucks directly on alibaba...

That's quite quick to replace.

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JohninMK Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:13 am

Difficult to believe this one

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US has set up an airstrip. The Americans began training some of the SDF members to fly with helicopters ....
the treason’s request to take from Syrian oil what it wants in exchange for giving it 10 Apache helicopters (AH_64)

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Isos Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:18 am

Last time they trained syrians. They were 10 and they all sold their weapons the first day of deployment and no one saw them again.

Would be funny to see one of those apache in Hmeimim lol1

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lyle6 Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:25 am

Isos wrote:Parking all your fuel trucks this way when you face a powerfull air force... I guess someone will get fired in Turkey.

However that's replacable quickly. They need to take out oil production instead.

If they were insured. Unfortunately, not a lot of insurers are willing to bet against the RuAF deciding the trucks would make a good target practice for bombing raids almost on a whim. Someone would have to fork a lot of cash just to renew a fleet of this size, and there's no guarantee it would stay unmolested in time to pay for itself.

Then you have to find drivers willing to operate these vehicles. Something tells me not a lot of people are going to look at the risks that makes insurers balk and willingly stake their own lives.

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PapaDragon Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:36 am

crod wrote:...jesus h christ - that's severe

Yeah, I mean just imagine how it would have looked like if that Iskander exploded with 100% power instead of just 10% Cool

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JohninMK Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:10 am

Isos wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
I doubt that all those trailers and tractor units will be replaced all that easily. Where will they get them from?

Old turkish trucks (with some repairs). They can buy on civilian market through Turkey.

You can even buy new chinese trucks directly on alibaba...

That's quite quick to replace.

The problem is the quantity that will be needed. There are of course many trucks on the road and near the wellheads but they should expect to be attacked at some point, perhaps more like the last fire of only a dozen or so. Many families will have lost their life savings in those vehicles, not many will want to step into their shoes without 100% outside funding. The need to find their nearest US taxpayer ATM.

There was also all the infrastructure at those sites that will need to be rebuilt somewhere else. This has probably destroyed an ecosystem built up over a couple of years with a significant investment. Next time it will cost more as they've used all the easy to collect bits and no doubt they will have to take at least a minimum of defensive measures, like spreading it out over multiple sites.

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Isos Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:03 pm

You misunderstand the situation.

Those trucks are paid with dirty money or turkish mafia money. For most of them they are just stolen or taken by force by turkish backed militias in Syria.

Their drivers are their own soldiers. They wouldn't trust civilians for such jobs.

They were targeted because they were used by those militias to fuel their forces.

Russian have monitored their mouvements and found out who use them and for what.

If they were used for civilian purpose they would have let them. It's now 6 years they monitored with sukhoi the area and never attacked them until today.

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JohninMK Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:14 pm

Isos wrote:You misunderstand the situation.

Those trucks are paid with dirty money or turkish mafia money. For most of them they are just stolen or taken by force by turkish backed militias in Syria.

Their drivers are their own soldiers. They wouldn't trust civilians for such jobs.

They were targeted because they were used by those militias to fuel their forces.

Russian have monitored their mouvements and found out who use them and for what.

If they were used for civilian purpose they would have let them. It's now 6 years they monitored with sukhoi the area and never attacked them until today.

OK but there is a finite local supply that I suspect they have already commandeered. What now? Does mainland Turkey now suffer lack of tankers for its main petrol and diesel distribution networks? Or Iraq?

It is possible that the Syrians/Russians waited until they had enough forces positioned in the are before they struck.

Meanwhile the impact downstream is pretty near immediate

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Isos Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:32 pm

Of course they suffered a big loss.

But they will have to replace them and it's not hard to find such trucks.

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JohninMK Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:10 pm

Isos wrote:Of course they suffered a big loss.

But they will have to replace them and it's not hard to find such trucks.

Just love your confidence. There is little supply of old tankers left to call on.

The RuAF eliminated many thousands in Putin's 'horizon to horizon' strikes 4-5 years ago. Plus over on the other side of Iran many more hundreds have just been burnt in now two separate incidents, the second a couple of days ago. There is a shortage of road tankers across the Middle East.

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Isos Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:34 pm

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:Of course they suffered a big loss.

But they will have to replace them and it's not hard to find such trucks.

Just love your confidence. There is little supply of old tankers left to call on.

The RuAF eliminated many thousands in Putin's 'horizon to horizon' strikes 4-5 years ago. Plus over on the other side of Iran many more hundreds have just been burnt in now two separate incidents, the second a couple of days ago. There is a shortage of road tankers across the Middle East.

Just check on alibaba "fuel trucks".

Chinese can provide replacement for all of them quickly for cheap.

https://m.french.alibaba.com/trade/search?SearchText=fuel%20truck&from=header&&

You can have them for 16k euro unit price. That's nothing for Turkey or saudi arabia to buy for them.

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SeigSoloyvov Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:39 pm

Iso isn't wrong replacing trucks isn't hard, the thing is you need to keep hitting them over and over.

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Isos Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:53 pm

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Iso isn't wrong relacing trucks isn't hard, the thing is you need to keep hitting them over and over.

They haven't targeted them all those years that much.

As long as they are only used by civilians they won't destroy them.

Only if they see it's mainly used by those militias/terrorists then they will hit them again.

IMO that's what happened. They saw increase use of them for some sort of big operation then they destroyed them. Using Iskander also allows a small propaganda operation to counter the claims of armenian minister.

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lyle6 Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:27 am

Isos wrote:

They haven't targeted them all those years that much.

As long as they are only used by civilians they won't destroy them.

Only if they see it's mainly used by those militias/terrorists then they will hit them again.

IMO that's what happened. They saw increase use of them for some sort of big operation then they destroyed them. Using Iskander also allows a small propaganda operation to counter the claims of armenian minister.

What civilians? All I see are thieves in cahoots with Islamic terror. I'll say, Russia is way too lenient on these lowlifes. If I were in charge I'd have them do double tap strikes on those white helmets as well, CIA style.

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SeigSoloyvov Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:46 am

There are civilians in the areas turkey has control of that are just trying to live their lives, russia bombing everything that moved would be an awful move on so many levels, the Russians should be fortunate then you aren't in any position of command. You'd fuck em over hard.

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Backman Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:30 am

Isos wrote:Of course they suffered a big loss.

But they will have to replace them and it's not hard to find such trucks.

Does the cashflow of the operation justify replacing the trucks ? Who knows. Especially when they can just be bombed again. Syria doesn't even have that much light sweet crude oil. Its not Iraq or Saud.

The term stealing oil implies that this is highway robbery. It isn't. They are in control of some of the oilfields. They are running and maintaining the wells with their own resources. They are dealing with the marginal cost of production like everyone else

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GarryB Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:26 am

There are civilians in the areas turkey has control of that are just trying to live their lives, russia bombing everything that moved would be an awful move on so many levels, the Russians should be fortunate then you aren't in any position of command. You'd fuck em over hard.

Civilians that drive fuel trucks stealing oil for terrorists are not civilians.

They are part of the financial structure that keeps these terrorists in business and are therefore valid targets as long as they are in their trucks they can be killed.

I doubt they would track where they live and bomb their houses.

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JohninMK Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:39 am

Backman wrote:
The term stealing oil implies that this is highway robbery. It isn't. They are in control of some of the oilfields. They are running and maintaining the wells with their own resources. They are dealing with the marginal cost of production like everyone else

To me 'stealing' basically means taking something without the owners permission. I am pretty sure that the US, who are managing the operation, do not have the permission of the oil fields owner, the Syrian Government. So yes, it is highway robbery and a highwayman had to bear the marginal cost of production too, horse, feed, weapons etc but it was still theft.

I know that the SG and SDF have some deals on profit share on oil pipelined west but not this unmeasured extraction. The US have even bought in a western oil company to upgrade the infrastructure to optimize the theft.

With this action I suspect that bulk theft is now over, again. The message has gone out, production and refining for local use is allowed but bulk export, which seems to have been building up (like ISIS exploited to the full in the past), is not going to be allowed to happen again. Someone got too greedy.

A side effect may be more military action as the Turks may well no longer have a profit stream to protect by a softly, softly approach.

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SeigSoloyvov Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:09 pm

GarryB wrote:

There are civilians in the areas turkey has control of that are just trying to live their lives, russia bombing everything that moved would be an awful move on so many levels, the Russians should be fortunate then you aren't in any position of command. You'd fuck em over hard.

Civilians that drive fuel trucks stealing oil for terrorists are not civilians.

They are part of the financial structure that keeps these terrorists in business and are therefore valid targets as long as they are in their trucks they can be killed.

I doubt they would track where they live and bomb their houses.

you really need to think..your comment is stupid.

do you think turks are the only ones driving trucks?. they aren't not every truck has something to do with oil.

why do I have to point out grade school level things

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