Syrian War: News #22

The article sums up what Russia want in Syria/Middle East.

https://thesaker.is/the-forthcoming-inevitable-battle-for-middle-east-peace/

GarryB wrote:Russia aims for good relations with all countries... only the west demands obedience from all the countries it will trade with.

Russia has very specific goals and objectives in Syria, but they are not there to help Syria fight Israel, or Iran fight Israel.

Getting dragged into such a conflict in no way benefits Russia and I don't really think it would help Syria either in the end.

The minor occasional attacks by Israel probably do less damage than their current support for terrorists... take that away and they will likely expand support for their terrorists and try to escalate things in other ways.

Would be nice to see some country give Israel a bit of a bitch slap, but the US and the west will rise up and defend their puppet master no matter what...

Syria and Iran need to start by cleaning house because Israel is obviously getting intel from more than just satellites.

Do you think Israel would come to a peace summit laid out by Russia?

I think Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and the UAE would attend it and listen to what Russia has to say and I'd say some of those countries mentioned would even follow the peace plan laid out by Russia but Israel has a big ego and they would want everything, so they would not attend or they would give full thought to it.

Since the major powers in Syria are at a stalemate and will not agree on a withdrawal or solution and will not fight and expel each other from Syria, then defacto Syria is no longer. And Syrian people are displaced or divided and will not come together. This maybe the end of Syria as we know it.

So each sector controlled by a foreign power, follows the interests of that particular power. Each sector is controlled by a backer.

The Russian sector, has an advantageous position next to Med sea. A good view of it. A port and base for Russia. Iran can not replace Russia in this region. Because of lack of finances and smaller resources and sanctions and some internal political conflict.

So it remains for Russia to secure this area. The way it sees fit. As regards to these Usrael attacks continuing , then to avoid direct confrontation, and to suppress this attacks, non- lethal demonstrative attacks could be allowed.

I remember saying this, when Turkey was advancing in the North. Take out the TV station.....nobody killed and no escalation. Yet has detterence value. The Syrians in Russian sector, can borrow a few small " Rockets" from Palestinians. And make noise and wake up the population. Again nobody dead, no escalation. And a response. If Palestinians can force a ceasefire using this tactic, then why can't Syrians?  No permission needed from Russia either !

Vann7 wrote:... Israel is not only at war with Iran , they are at war with Russia too. as a matter of fact
...  This is why israel is attacking Syria economic infrastructure ,sabotage the pipelines underwater of syria , hit at syria oil facilities , this is why neyanyahu also help azerbaijan to attack armenia ,that they know russia is under obligation to protect.

So US ,UK  and israel are at war with Russia.. is an undeclared war , and putin is pretending that this
is a "syrian issue" ...

I agree with the quoted part above. A primary issue is what is the predominant force dictating US foreign policy in the Mideast, US national interests or the Israel lobby.  Hard as it may be to believe, I believe the latter. Since Russia injected itself into the conflict in 2015, propaganda and provocations against Russia accelerated as Russia is preventing the collapse of Syria, which was one of Israel's, as well as others, goals.

Russia's strategy has worked so far, but will it continue to work in the future is the question. I have my doubts because Israel's goal is to use the US to fight Russia and indirectly Syria, much like their supporters-agents ramped up the propaganda against Iraq, tying it to 9-11 and WMD, which contributed to the US decision to attack Iraq under false pretenses in the 2nd Gulf war. If this read is correct, then Russia needs to make it clear to Israel that they will be designated as one of the "decision making centers" in the event of a US-Russia conflict. If they're not willing to do this they should consider withdrawing from Syria because I believe eventually the current Russian campaign will fail.

Do you think Israel would come to a peace summit laid out by Russia?

I think Israel would attend, but only to hear what Russia has to say and listen to other countries to work out how better to manipulate them and turn them against each other.

They seem set on divide and conquer, but considering their position that is all they have.

old_man wrote:
Russia's strategy has worked so far, but will it continue to work in the future is the question. I have my doubts because Israel's goal is to use the US to fight Russia and indirectly Syria, much like their supporters-agents ramped up the propaganda against Iraq, tying it to 9-11 and WMD, which contributed to the US decision to attack Iraq under false pretenses in the 2nd Gulf war. If this read is correct, then Russia needs to make it clear to Israel that they will be designated as one of the "decision making centers" in the event of a US-Russia conflict. If they're not willing to do this they should consider withdrawing from Syria because I believe eventually the current Russian campaign will fail.

indeed.

Nothing personal , but if a world war 3 start , between US and Russia , with nukes being used against russia ,Russia needs to reserve some for israel too , , because israel will not stay quiet and will try to erase syria and iran from the map ,and they are also enemies of russia too , by americans. So israel will have to be included in the list of dangerous enemies , that needs to be taken down too.  they are part of the master minds of the syrian war . It Was netayanhu who evacuated isis and their kidnapped wives from syria ,and their families members from southern syria , so he is a criminal ,and so the israel airforce too , they need to face nuremberg trials ,like the nazis ,for the hollocaust they leading on palestinians and syrians




but with putin , any idiotic thing is possible.
he was just last week saying ,he will not allow iran to get nuclear weapons.  

but he told nothing , keep silent ,when israel threaten iran with nukes.

So the nation that is helping russia in syria , is the ones getting a scold and disrespected ,but the nation that is helping terrorist to murder russian soldiers is the one that gets the support of putin.    
putin is an imbecile , just another puppet of the zionist , he is influenced heavily by the zionist jews , and you had to see him how courageous he was in defending israel , whenever any country point fingers at them from their crimes.  Russia have no future with that imbecile in power , he is just half of a step away of betraying his nation for cowardice ,in confronting those attacking their nation.

Well, coordinates of targets are always inside the missiles so they already have all their targets assigned which is all NATO, Israel, Pakistan and China. All the nuclear states are targets. Maybe not India.

A total nuclear war means they launch everything at the same time so everyone will get its missiles including Israel.

par far wrote:The article sums up what Russia want in Syria/Middle East.

https://thesaker.is/the-forthcoming-inevitable-battle-for-middle-east-peace/

while the report is good and bring some interesting points ,it also miss the train in the end ,
that israel real goals , is world domination ,and not just middle east superiority ,so they want also
the destruction of russia, so they will not accept any peace deal of any kind that allows anyone of its neighbors or russia ,to get a relief and survive . they want the
complete destruction of syria ,russia and iran and the expansion of israel borders, all the way to damascus or beyond , and they will justify it by saying is a "buffer zone" to keep isis at distance from its borders.

israel wants destruction of russia ,and to control the world by proxy, through their control over their economy .media and western politicians. so only a defeat of israel in a war , will force them to peace.
So russia will face a war against israel sooner or later , it will be innevitable war ,because they will not stop striking syria and russia will be forced to use force sooner or later to stop them.

the zionist state is actually seeking to create new israelis states in south america . they have aims to conquer all south america , and transform the latinos in the new palestinians. they are already buying big lands in argentina and if read it correctly including military bases too there. They have long term plans for capturing al south america , with the help of jews billionaires , and creating
a new state.

Isos wrote:Well, coordinates of targets are always inside the missiles so they already have all their targets assigned which is all NATO, Israel, Pakistan and China. All the nuclear states are targets. Maybe not India.

A total nuclear war means they launch everything at the same time so everyone will get its missiles including Israel.

This doesn't make sense. Why will Russia target Pakistan and China? And why should Russia spare India?

China is an ally of Russia and Pakistan is not an enemy of Russia.

RTN wrote:

Isos wrote:Well, coordinates of targets are always inside the missiles so they already have all their targets assigned which is all NATO, Israel, Pakistan and China. All the nuclear states are targets. Maybe not India.

A total nuclear war means they launch everything at the same time so everyone will get its missiles including Israel.

This doesn't make sense. Why will Russia target Pakistan and China? And why should Russia spare India?

China is an ally of Russia and Pakistan is not an enemy of Russia.

Officially they have only Belarussia and some other neighbours as allies.

The rest are not.


IMO in a nuclear war with US they wouldn't want to be left with no nuks and totally destroyed with the other nuclear states untouched and fully ready to invade them.

Both Russia and US in such scenario would attack the other nuclear armed countries to destroy them too.

RTN wrote:

Isos wrote:Well, coordinates of targets are always inside the missiles so they already have all their targets assigned which is all NATO, Israel, Pakistan and China. All the nuclear states are targets. Maybe not India.

A total nuclear war means they launch everything at the same time so everyone will get its missiles including Israel.

This doesn't make sense. Why will Russia target Pakistan and China? And why should Russia spare India?

China is an ally of Russia and Pakistan is not an enemy of Russia.

it is general practice if a country has nukes you have some pointed at them regardless of relations.

RTN wrote:

Isos wrote:Well, coordinates of targets are always inside the missiles so they already have all their targets assigned which is all NATO, Israel, Pakistan and China. All the nuclear states are targets. Maybe not India.

A total nuclear war means they launch everything at the same time so everyone will get its missiles including Israel.

This doesn't make sense. Why will Russia target Pakistan and China? And why should Russia spare India?

China is an ally of Russia and Pakistan is not an enemy of Russia.

It helps keeping friends friendly

Pakistan is a Taliban shithole and needs to be kept at arms reach

China loves them. I don't have anything against China, I like them, but we probably point at each other in secret anyway.

India - no reason to point nukes against them at all. They got them for Pakistan and China, I don't see any scenario where a nuclear exchange between Russia and India is remotely possible.

flamming_python wrote:Pakistan is a Taliban shithole and needs to be kept at arms reach

China loves them. I don't have anything against China, I like them, but we probably point at each other in secret anyway.

India - no reason to point nukes against them at all. They got them for Pakistan and China, I don't see any scenario where a nuclear exchange between Russia and India is remotely possible.

Pakistan maybe a Taliban shithole but I think Pakistan is more reliable than India, under the current Modi regime, India has become a US vassal(higher ups in the Pentagon even confirm this.)

To be honest, I don't see a nuclear exchange between anyone.

You can tell this when India abandoned its longtime relations with Iran to follow the US's demand they stop importing Iranian oil.
Such a decision would probably make the founders of the Indian state and the non-aligned movement roll in their graves.

flamming_python wrote:Pakistan is a Taliban shithole and needs to be kept at arms reach

China loves them. I don't have anything against China, I like them, but we probably point at each other in secret anyway.

India - no reason to point nukes against them at all. They got them for Pakistan and China, I don't see any scenario where a nuclear exchange between Russia and India is remotely possible.

India is a poor country that's not showing any signs of progress. Consequently, the U.S has completely penetrated India's politics, military and judiciary. So it's only a matter of time before India turns completely hostile against Russia.

Then there are 1 billion starving Indians who are always looking to escape to more prosperous country like Russia. We are just 150 million.

China is Russia's friend and ally, not a shithole like India. Let's not destroy relations with China & Pakistan by getting close to India. Makes sense for Russia to keep a few nukes handy against India.

India is a poor country that's not showing any signs of progress.

India is not a poor country, it has enormous potential... otherwise the US wouldn't even notice it exists.

The US is keen to jump away from Pakistan to India because Pakistan is a poor country that has a lot more problems and nutters than India does, but it does not represent the consumer market that India represents.

China didn't show any signs of progress till the west started investing money and resources into using them to produce their shit for them... but China was smart and used that investment and improved and developed and the west has realised its problem and its mistake.... it wanted a little slave country to make all their stuff for a tiny fraction of what their own work forces could possibly make it for in conditions no westerner would ever put up with.

The Chinese are brilliant at taking something and making a few adjustments to make it cheaper and easier to make then then making a lot of it at the lowest possible price... sometimes that works out really well because the original was over engineered in the first place, but equally it can end up badly... like cheap knockoffs of German naval diesel engines that are not reliable because they used cheap materials, or AK rifles made to the lowest costs possible, which means they can still be reliable but simply are not accurate at any range.

The west realises it has created a Chinese monster... now their first go to option is to pick a neighbour and get them to destroy the monster or at least keep it in check and their first choice would have been Russia because Russia is a threat too... not so much economic these days, more military... but the Russians remember the reverse of this when the west turned China against them during the cold war and wont fall for that sort of shit, so plan B was India... plan C might have been Japan or Indonesia...

The point is that India is a good client for Russia and as long as they don't completely fall for Americas shit they might get the US to fix a lot of their economic problems and build up their infrastructure and invest in moving western commercial production from China to India.... that is a lot of investment, but realistically plan C will be Bangladesh, which would really not benefit India at all.

For Russia trade with China is not going to be the same as with India... China will want Russian ideas and concepts but will want to make everything itself. India wants to make things itself too, but are more likely to buy stuff off the shelf too.

The point is that war would seriously damage both countries, and only the US would be happy about that... a strong and prosperous India and a strong and prosperous China does not mean a weak and vulnerable Russia... actually quite the opposite.

The US is not interested in a strong and prosperous anyone except a strong and prosperous USA.

They are the only bad guys in this game.

So it's only a matter of time before India turns completely hostile against Russia.

There are factions in any country, but India has too much Russian military equipment to just cut Russia off... the cost of replacing all Russian gear with American stuff is what the US MIC is going for, plus a serious counter to China to direct some of those new ships in other directions...

Then there are 1 billion starving Indians who are always looking to escape to more prosperous country like Russia. We are just 150 million.

There will only be 1 billion starving Indians if the US manages to engineer a war with China... in which case I would expect most will want to escape to the US... Russia being demonised will not be an attractive option... especially if relations are not that good.

China is Russia's friend and ally, not a shithole like India.

China, Russia, India are potential power centres in a multipolar future.... the EU could become another pole if it can wrench its face off Americas ass, and the US will likely be another power... the potential for groupings of smaller countries to get together to get a voice is likely too...

Let's not destroy relations with China & Pakistan by getting close to India.

Russia has good military relations with India, and potential relations with China are OK too... why screw either up?

In Europe before WWI the countries and empires all grouped into two massive power blocks in the belief that this will provide stability and safety because no country will attack another country and risk having to fight an entire block of enemy forces even if you have a large block of forces to support you.

Essentially all your allies would provide the enormous threat to any member of the other side so they would not try anything.

The problem was it was bollocks... in fact the two big power blocks that were supposed to prevent wars actually created WWI because when two little countries started fighting they dragged in the rest of Europe with them including the Americans and the British commonwealth.

India thinking that signing shit with the US and Japan and South Korea and Australia will some how make them safe from China is delusional... not only does it not make them safe, it makes China realise normal trade and normal relations with India will not be possible or likely in the future and they are going to militarise their border with India and spend more on potential conflicts with them.... all making conflicts and war much more likely.

The alternative of telling America to **** off and actually talking to China would save both sides trillions of dollars and lead to much better relations between the two neighbours.

Not talking leads to misunderstandings, which is made worse when the Americans are probably talking to India and Japan and SK and Australia on the one hand and to China on the other about how untrustworthy and bad the other side is... just to build up the tensions, so those 10 billion dollar new US made carriers that India wants to buy make more sense...

Makes sense for Russia to keep a few nukes handy against India.

With nuclear propelled cruise missiles of unlimited range, Russia could make tens of thousands of weapons for use during WWIII... as the technology improves they will be able to improve the design and the technology... a low flying cruise missile is hard to detect, but a low flying supersonic cruise missile is actually hard to shoot down.... it takes an enormous amount of energy to move at supersonic speeds at low altitude... not a huge problem for a nuclear powered ramjet... it might make its flight range a quarter of what it was... it can fly for months instead of years perhaps... which is plenty BTW...

The US had plans for a low flying nuclear powered missile that flew at very low altitude at mach 3. The shock wave of it blowing past could kill people on the ground... that is not expending a warhead, or using radiation from the engine exhaust.... that is just the shock wave of flying below 100m at mach 3 for such an enormous weapon... obviously it could damage buildings too... just flying past them.

During the past 24hrs the RuAF and Syrian forces have let loose in Latakia NE Syria. As they say, never let a good crisis go to waste. Hope they maximize this moment of opportunity while their detractors' gaze is elsewhere for now. Unleash hell.

slasher wrote:During the past 24hrs the RuAF and Syrian forces have let loose in Latakia NE Syria. As they say, never let a good crisis go to waste. Hope they maximize this moment of opportunity while their detractors' gaze is elsewhere for now. Unleash hell.

The Saudis are negotiating with Syria. This means the funding for those inside the Idlib pocket is likely to dry up soon.
I am sure the US has spent large amounts of money with these people, but not as much as the Gulf petrostates.
If the Arabs turn and go back to supporting Syria, then Jordan's support might also dry up, and the US base at Al-Tanf might collapse too.

Hopefully the Iranians will continue to attack US interests in Iraq so the rest will also collapse.

lancelot wrote:

slasher wrote:During the past 24hrs the RuAF and Syrian forces have let loose in Latakia NE Syria. As they say, never let a good crisis go to waste. Hope they maximize this moment of opportunity while their detractors' gaze is elsewhere for now. Unleash hell.

The Saudis are negotiating with Syria. This means the funding for those inside the Idlib pocket is likely to dry up soon.
I am sure the US has spent large amounts of money with these people, but not as much as the Gulf petrostates.
If the Arabs turn and go back to supporting Syria, then Jordan's support might also dry up, and the US base at Al-Tanf might collapse too.

Hopefully the Iranians will continue to attack US interests in Iraq so the rest will also collapse.

I'm not as optimistic about everyone simply turning like that

The Saudis and Jordanians are US client states. They'll keep up this anti-Iran BS, until they are forced otherwise.

flamming_python wrote:

lancelot wrote:The Saudis are negotiating with Syria. This means the funding for those inside the Idlib pocket is likely to dry up soon.
I am sure the US has spent large amounts of money with these people, but not as much as the Gulf petrostates.
If the Arabs turn and go back to supporting Syria, then Jordan's support might also dry up, and the US base at Al-Tanf might collapse too.

Hopefully the Iranians will continue to attack US interests in Iraq so the rest will also collapse.

I'm not as optimistic about everyone simply turning like that

The Saudis and Jordanians are US client states. They'll keep up this anti-Iran BS, until they are forced otherwise.

The terrorists in Idlib are supported and funded mainly through Turkey, whose fantasy Sultan has delusions of empire and deploys his proxy minions as he chooses. They're cannon fodder and serve his geo-strategic interests. The US openly has a hand in this as well.
This cancer in Syria's northern regions is unfortunately already malignant and can't be removed in any foreseeable time. But it does provide the Syrians and their Russian allies some great target practice whilst the terrorists' backers are currently distracted.

Lots of new weapons specifically scaled and designed for use from drones... an opportunity to test them will be useful.... no matter how many "hospitals" and "childrens schools" and "churches" they hit...

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In 10 days Biden has to decide on extending Delta Crescent Energy's (DCE) OFAC license. DCE works closely with #SDF leadership (think Mazloum), is rebuilding N/E #Syria oil infrastructure and selling oil for stabilization effort. Word is it has $2 billion in contracts pending.

Reportedly, DCE wrote an economic plan for the #SDF zone that would reinvest oil revenues into the local economy in N/E #Syria. Especially in Arab-majority, post-#ISIS areas. US policymakers reportedly liked the plan because it would definitively "box out" #Assad and #Russia.

Trump approved DCE license. Biden extended it for 30 days in April. Reportedly, idea behind DCE plan leverages oil resources in N/E #Syria to reduce the $$ the US has to spend on stabilization. It gives a legal pathway for the #SDF to sell oil, including to a #Turkish company.

Reportedly, DCE license fits Biden's stabilization goals in N/E #Syria. But, apparently DCE license renewal is a hostage of Biden's Syria policy review. Reportedly, this is quietly becoming the most consequential item of concern between #SDF leaders and Biden. Watch closely.

Important to consider when assessing US policy toward #Syria since 2014 (across three administrations now). The US presence on #Syrian territory, for the purposes of the counter-#ISIS campaign, are dependent on one man: #SDF chief Mazloum. US policy is wrapped tightly to him.