Project 23900 "Ivan Rogov" Amphibious assault ship

It will take 7 more years for this? That's longer than a Yasin subarine.

They are making two together, and at 40K ton they are probably a little bigger and more complex than any Sub.

They will likely also have to develop landing ships, and perhaps they might need to coordinate its development with new high speed troop carrying helicopters.

Talk about putting the Mi-14 back into production is interesting, but would rather see them make a new helicopter based on the Mi-38.... the Mi-14 was basically a navalised Mi-8/17, so a navalised Mi-38 would make more sense than putting the Mi-14 back into production in my opinion.

Equally a new troop transport helicopter would be good... an improved Ka-29 with a rear ramp door as well as side doors for rapid troop deployment and recovery, with a pusher engine to boost flight speeds would be interesting.

Russia's shipyards have not been modernized post Cold War to be able to build a LHD at such speed.

Actually most of their shipyards have been upgraded specifically for the purpose of making new ships. Hopefully their production of Corvettes and Frigates will accelerate including the numbers of shipyards making ships because after a couple of years of making corvettes and frigates they are going to have to start laying down destroyers and get them moving forward too.

A more realistic timeline for launch of the first ship should be 2040 launch when the shipyard's capability is taken into considering and the launch of the second ship should be on schedule for 2050 to 2060 launch.

You can consider yourself warned.

I know I can be banned for calling someone a fucking idiot, but can I be banned for thinking someone is a fucking idiot?

I don't interpret the rules on member abuse the same when that member indulges in flame baiting and trolling.

It may be a steep learning curve but at some point down the road this shipyard will be in good enough shape to reliably handle construction of really big ships

That's when they will be given really important stuff to build

To be fair these ships should already have a design... they just need to construct them, which is no simple task, the number of steps that need to be performed in the correct order is mind blowing, but this is what they do.

In all fairness Russia is going to have delays with the ships, they alllllllllways have delays and that's a fact you cannot argue.

History speaks for itself there.

However, suggesting 20 or 40 years is just flat out retarded.

There is probably 25 to 30K tons of steel to start with... these ships are not just helicopter carriers... they are intended to carry 1,000 naval infantry plus their armoured vehicles and support vehicles and landing craft to take them from the ship to shore as well as more than a dozen helicopters of a range of different types.

The ship is essentially an enlarged Mistral and will likely have a modern 200 bed hospital included in its design as well as lodgings and food storage and preparation for 1,000 soldiers in addition to the crew and air compliment, and it is by far the biggest one they have ever made... the original Ivan Rogov class was about 15K ton, so these are almost three times bigger.

In comparison they have plenty of experience making SSNs and SSGNs...

The report I saw suggested of the two being built one carries 1,000 naval infantry troops plus armoured vehicles and support helicopters as well as landing ships and hovercraft to land them ashore while the second ship will have more helicopters but instead of the troops and armour will carry drones and presumably act as a hospital ship and a full compliment of helicopters.

If they are successful they will build two more so a total of four ships with two of each version.

The second ship with drones and helicopters might also carry special forces for recon type missions and preparing landing areas etc...

That is interesting... obviously get rid of the useless VSTOL fighters, but that 130mm gun mounted in front of the island is interesting because on the image of a ship supposed to represent the new ships there is a large blue rectangle located there.

Is that a modular position?

I assumed it is a Redut launch bin for large numbers of SAMs... likely many short range CIWS missiles like the 9M100 we know is compatible with the land based equivalent S-350 that can be carried four missiles to a launch tube.

On some other similar drawings there are blue rectangles in each corner of the ship and one large one in front of the island.

I assumed they were planned Redut locations but maybe they are more than that... maybe they are modular weapon locations that could have redut launchers or perhaps UKSK-M launchers for launching drones or counter measures, or for mounting modular gun mounts for shore bombardment... or even unguided rockets for shore bombardment...

The gun mount below takes up rather less area than the blue area shown but the below deck area for missiles would need to be big for UKSK-M launchers to be an option so a gun mount with a huge volume of ready to fire rounds could fit fairly easily, while the four blue areas in each corner of the ship can carry Redut launchers with enormous numbers of self defence missiles... and no doubt Pantsir systems will be fitted too and maybe deck mounted TOR missiles.

Never heard of the "Mercury" mini-carrier. Anyone know the Project #?

A big island is not a problem on a helicopter carrier... during a real landing half the deck would likely have storage crates and equipment on it, while the remaining half of the deck is used for takeoff and landing stuff.