NK was once Armenian and was settled by them yes however the land is considered by the world to belonging to Azeri, land changes with time. In this day and age having historical claim means nothing, That may seem cold-hearted but that's just the world works these days.
Tell that to a Zionist Jew, and they will say that Israel exists now and we will fight to keep it that way... we are not guilty of genocide for removing the former land owners, they are guilty of attempted genocide for continuing to try to destroy this country we recently created called Israel.
How about we say the land is currently occupied by Armenians and removing them by force is a war crime... that is the argument HATO used in Kosovo wasn't it, except in Kosovo they didn't start by bombing and shelling Albanian villages...
The Armenians clearly saw that and learned the lesson and did not allow Azeris back... why would they, considering the lesson HATO gave to the world on western morality?
I am sorry but the excuse the land historical belongs them to just doesn't matter in this day and age and if that is a standard people want to go by on here, then I assume they support the Russians handing over land that historically belongs to others.
Of course... the rules apply to everyone fairly... what planet are you from?
Nobody is handing anyone any territory... one side is trying to take land from the other side and the west is not supporting them... they are demanding a peaceful settlement... for a change...
But I know they won't and don't simply put they are using the "It was historical Armenians" excuse to justify their desire for the land to remain in Armenian hands.
I know.... what total bastards they are... wanting peace and things to remain as they are... whereas the peace loving democratic supporting Azeris will murder ever last Armenian to get their land back... land promised to them by some communist leader of the time to curry their favour no doubt.
As we know in the Crimea... Kruschevs word is law... as we know in Georgia Stalins word is law.... NOT.
Just like to me Azeri has a right to retake land that is recognized being the world as theirs and the whole "Land belonged to Armenia excuse" is meaningless.
I think you are being a bit liberal with the word right... every country has the capacity to start a war but no one has the right...
Azeris can start a war, but whether they win or not... or if they lose and lose more territory is another matter...
Simply put in the 21st century having a historical claim to land no longer entitles you to it.
I unlike you am applying the same standard to all.
But the thing is that we are not talking about just a historical claim to land... they also occupy that piece of land too... which as any Israeli will tell you is rather more important than any claims.
It is not perfectly logical....and you brought up what Hitler did so you really, majority of those killed by them where jews.
Bullshit... at best the claims for those killed in concentration camps etc is estimated to be 6 million at the most... of the 5 million odd Soviet prisoners taken by the Germans only about a million survived the war and estimates of those killed on the eastern front are about 27 million.... of which about 11 million were soldiers... meaning 16 million civilians were killed by the occupiers... sounds like the majority were not jews to me...
Azeri is not attacking NK for living space....they are attacking it because the land is considered theirs. Hitlar attacked countries that the world stage did not consider part of Germany. What the hell did they teach you in school?.
Azeris are attacking NK for the land... which they intend to live on... why are you suggesting it is not for living space. Hitler considered living space in the east to be German... it was going to be part of greater germany... it was going to be Germanys bread basket or some such nonsense...
Depends, they didn't seek to outright kill civis people did die but the Russians have filled plenty of body bags in Syria with innocents.
Read a fucking book... talk about me not knowing history, women and children locked and barricaded in churches that were burned down and men taken away for slave labour. Pits dug in villages filled with dead and near dead villagers of all ages drained of blood to supply injured german soldiers with blood supplies.... no, the Germans treated the Soviets with kid gloves. They really showed how civilised Europeans are...
And regarding Syria, those innocent civilians are living side by side with men who cut the heads off 14 year old boys and film it for cash paying Saudis to masturbate over. Men who put women from newly captured villages into big metal cages and pour petrol over them and threaten to burn them to death if they don't marry and have lots of children with ISIS fighters... yeah... I stay awake at night worrying about those innocent civilians... BTW you claim you were fighting ISIS too so you probably killed a few of those innocent civilians living side by side with terrorists yourself.
"they believe belongs to them is amusing" The fact you said this is amusing and frankly pathetic. The Azeri's don't believe it, they know it. Russia you know the country you are oh so in love with but won't move there even says that land belongs to Azeri, so very very pathetic those words left your mouth. A new level of ignorance congrats.
The difference I am distinguishing is not about belief... it is about fact... both sides can believe it is theirs... the fact is that the Armenians currently occupy the land and the Azeris are using force to try to take it from them... those are the facts that matter.
The Azeris are talking big and Turkey says it will help them, but have they taken it back yet? Is it really going to be that easy?
If Armenia wants the land they will have to fight for it, nor am i saying they should give it up just that they are occupying the land and it's no longer theirs. I will repeat my words again.
Duh, if they are occupying it it is theirs.
That depends..does the world consider Georgia, Armenia and Azeri has belonging to Russia? Oh wait they don't.
But they did.... look at histories of WWII and you will see Russia is mentioned and is used interchangeably with the Soviet Union, so back then they were all considered Russia... even today when Russian hacking allegations turn out to originate in the Ukraine it is still called Russian hacking... Russian influence...
You are completely ignoring the fact every nation on earth literally sees that has Azeri land, technically Azeri isn't invading.
Hahahahahahaha... so because it is technically not an invasion then all the people being killed are not actually getting killed... how reassuring to hear that.
I don't give a fuck who you think is in the right, what is pissing me off is you claiming that some Azeris crossing a border... technical or otherwise, and murdering people and having their own people killed in the process is their right.
They cannot invade their own land, by definition its liberation. You are just showing me how full of it you are. "Believe" it belongs to them lol.
But they can die.
Canadians are funny. They sold those systems for years and they were used in Syria and Libya in huge numbers but when they are not used against muslims but another people they ban the sells.
Pretend to be good people when in reality thry are piece of shit.
Yes, imagine a country of people who refuse to sell military products based on their interests... what total bastards....
Ps. I like ultimate warrior. Do not ban him. To ultimate warrior : condense posts. Into one post.
He seems to irritate some people.
It is up to him, and I really don't care who he is... that is not important.
The rules are clear... if he follows them there is no reason to extend the ban or make it permanent, but it is up to him.
And if he is reading this you are probably a bit frustrated, can I suggest when you can post again you send me a private message and we have a chat... this is just a suggestion so you will not be banned for not doing this but I think a chat would be in your interests.
I have been on this forum now, for a few years. The mods are quite flexible with posts. Sometimes people go at a tangent, for numerous posts. Yet those posts are removed, or new topic made for them. They are not banned.
There is no training manual for being a mod and honestly I try not to ban as much as I can, but sometimes my hand is forced, or another mod does it.
I go off on tangents all the time, and I and lots of other members post one liner comments, but as I posted above when you post 8-10 messages in the same thread within about an hour of each other all with single line comments including single line comments with a quote showing a conversation between four other people on the thread, and you have just been told not to do that then what am I supposed to do?
If you want a ban then ignore instructions from a mod or abuse a mod... if you don't want to get banned... listen to a mod... if they are telling you to do something and you don't understand why then send a private message and ask for further clarification.
There are no members I really want gone, but when a large number gang up and say this guy has to go then I obviously wont ban for that, but I do have to look into why they have a problem. Being annoying is not a good reason to ban someone or you end up like the west where there is no discussion... you are with us or with them... we have to agree on everything or we cannot be friends. For goodness sake husbands and wives don't agree on everything.... fathers and sons, fathers and daughters, mothers and sons and mothers and daughters...
When discussions turn into arguments then common sense and maturity go out the door... getting rid of everyone who doesn't agree that Putin is amazing and Russia is amazing, or people who think this or that bit of western kit is not rubbish... well that sort of forum would become rather boring rather quick.
The irony is that most of my experience on the internet on forums has been in places like MP.net... I went for the Russian Photos thread, but spend 90% of my time correcting western ignorance regarding Russian equipment being posted and talked about... walking the minefield of not being allowed to be too anti American, because in western forums being anti western is a banning offense.
It is a reason Vlad made this site.
Now, back on topic, Iranian advisor to leadership, a man who was kind to me, said that Armenia should leave Azeri lands. Previously legally Azeri. But this to be done without war.
This, I disagree with. Armenians should only leave territory, occupied after the war, where there is no significant Armenian civilian presence. And this solution can only be imposed externally.
And the Azeris, should only return to territory, legally owned, before the war, with significant civilian Azeri population. And this too can only be imposed externally. By Iran / Russia.
Where, there was a significant Azeri population, before the war, and there is now a significant Armenian population. There should be a territorial compromise. But the two peoples need to be separated.
If they think they can take it by force they are essentially leaving themselves open to first of all losing again. And secondly even if they win that in the future the Armenians will build up their strength and just take it back by force... lots of war lots of brutal deaths, no lasting solution.
Well while Ukraine isn't ever getting Crimea back, the then head of the Soviet leadership gave that land to Ukraine which was perfectly legal. So from a legal standpoint that land is technically Ukrainian. That's just the facts. But like I said Russia will never hand over Crimea so to expect that is foolish.
The fact that you think Russia decides is amusing... typical western denial I guess. The people of the Crimea were given a choice for themselves and they made that choice for themselves... it was not up to Russia or the Ukraine or Kruschev to decide.
I don't care if Russia has Crimea or not, I am simply keeping to my standard of every country is treated the same.
Hope you were inside when you typed this... being an American... the danger of getting hit by lightning would be severe...
I just enjoy seeing the hypocrisy from all of you, you're all fine with countries you support using the historical excuse but will foam at the mouth if ones you don't use the same excuse. Really it's priceless.
NK is being invaded and attacked by Azeri forces, it is not hard to work out who the bad guy is.
You don't have to like it or approve of it but it was a legal transfer of land.
So what... the referendums the Crimea had were also legal too...
Both Kosovo and Crimea referendums are technically illegal.
Nothing technical about either of them.
Kosovo was illegal because it didn't happen. Crimean referendums only became binding when the Ukraine could no longer interfere...
Again you can whine about it all you like, fact is from a legal basis Crimea is Ukrainian land just as Kosovo legally still belongs to the Serbs.
The land legally belongs to the Serbs because there is a UNSC resolution stating as such and there has been no legal referendum to change that.
In the Crimea the status of the Crimean peninsula has been changed by referendum of the people, so it is now Russian.
Vice President of Azerbaijan: Armenia fired missiles at the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan power pipeline, without hitting it.
Sounds like a warning...
Close but no cigar
Ain't no participation awards in war, gotta go for the touchdown
If it was a warning then it is about right...
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