2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

KoTeMoRe wrote:I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs....

Wait, they actually did that? For reals?

Holy shit that's cold even by Balkan standards...

feeding dead guys to pigs means fuck all to me honestly. I know it sounds bad but really, I can see why the Armenians would do that.

Azerebaijani's using Jihadists and alike, well, we know what those scum do. Behead people and even children as seen in Syria. So feeding them to pigs just sounds like a good punishment. Muslims fear pigs and might as well use that fear against them.

Do they really have to do that? What did the pigs do that they have to be punished with eating human refuse?

1260 Azerbaijani soldiers of Erdogan's Ottoman empire slain in mountain

https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/


Busting up Erdogan's Ottoman empire's BMP-2 IFV

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324400578198413316


Killing Erdogan's Ottoman empire's Azerbaijani soldiers

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324379566526373893

Armenians use ATGM to destroy Erdogan the new sultan's Azerbaijani T-72 tank

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324436476629782529

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324437204094111745

Huge reinforcement of iranian army at the border of Azerbaijan.

https://mobile.twitter.com/imp_navigator/status/1324315962368315394

lyle6 wrote:Do they really have to do that? What did the pigs do that they have to be punished with eating human refuse?

Not sure, but not surprised here. There were multiple reports from soldiers themselves what Russian troops did to liquidated Ismalic combats in 2st war..

They were burying them with pig remains on top or their bodies were rubbed with pigs grease (Salo - Ukrainian food)

It's psy-op nothing more.

Hope you are feeling better.

PapaDragon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs....

Wait, they actually did that? For reals?

Holy shit that's cold even by Balkan standards...

Yeah check Kolorit on Telegram.

PapaDragon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs....

Wait, they actually did that? For reals?

Holy shit that's cold even by Balkan standards...

Really? I've seen worse that is pretty tame by my standards.

Latest on the tactical situation: 
https://vz.ru/world/2020/11/5/1069099.html

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs....

Wait, they actually did that? For reals?

Holy shit that's cold even by Balkan standards...

Really? I've seen worse that is pretty tame by my standards.

Amount of effort required is weird here

Killing enemies in creative and brutal ways is expected in war but once they are dead everything beyond firing some rounds in their corpses​ while high on rage is pretty redundant

And​ going through hassle of handling the corpses in order to take them near some pigs so they would eat them requires amount of time and effort that is really unusual

Regular wrote:...Not sure, but not surprised here. There were multiple reports from soldiers themselves what Russian troops did to liquidated Ismalic combats in 2st war..

They were burying them with pig remains on top or their bodies were rubbed with pigs grease (Salo - Ukrainian food)...

This is nowhere near the same thing (and not even unique to Russian troops)

Throwing some un-halal food in the graves of jihadists to troll them in the afterlife is a far cry from feeding their corpses to animals

I get that they hate each other but c'mon...

@ Isos

Yes. Tanks arriving at border. But is it the best plan?  To suppress artillery and mortar fire, is the aim. As should be, I think , stopping ethnic cleansing of Armenians and infringements of Armenian territory. Both a moral  duty and practical necessity. Sending in Tanks, may not be best solution.

Sending in Tanks into battle Zone, will need taking out the drone threat. Even if successful, it means pushing back Azeris from border, some 20 km. This means evicting them from newly liberated areas. And possibly destroying entire drone infrastructure, together with Turkish operatives in Baku.  It is an escalation.

To stop artillery units firing into Iran, then it may not be possible to identify  each errant unit. Then all or some units can be taken out with BM or air strikes or drones. This can be done against all artillery units from all sides, that open fire. A punitive campaign, carried out by both Russia and Iran.

As well as suppressing long range and heavy fire. Advancements by armour into populated areas can be stopped. The priority now, is to stop the Automan advance. And recent strike near Shusha, by drone, was an example of saving civilian communities from armoured advance. This too can be stepped up. By both Russia and Iran.

Finally,  we need accurate info on any Turk commando and Rat involvement in NK.  If there are significant numbers there, then again I think Russia and Iran, can send special forces against these units in Artsakh or any place in Caucases. To eliminate them. In this way we can freeze the war.





https://youtu.be/jH5TDoOXKvU

Some details that can contribute to explain the significant surge, in the latest week and half, of downed Azeri UAVs in particular over the area of Step'anakert -not accounting obviously for the local greater density of air defense systems covering one the other and the new tactic to lure UAVs in SAM ambushs using paying targets as baits - is provided by the defense minister of the self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh, Artsrun Hovhannisyan, in an television interview.

It explain that over 55% of the downed attack/surveillance and kamikaze UAVs (about 250 between area of Nagorno-Karabakh, Amenia borders and Iranian borders, in the assessment of the Armenia MoD, but about half this figure in that of domestic analysts) has been executed by Оса-АКМ, 35 systems of which with several ammunitions stocks Armenia bought from Giordania for a bit less than $ 27 millions dollars.


Very likely a part of those upgraded Оса-АКМ, that contrarely to the older models operated in other the Nagorno-Karabath can detect and engage UAV targets, has been provided to Artsakh's operators for the defense of the most important area.

This obviously put also in the right technological perspective the clashs in ther area between UAVs and air defenses.

JohninMK wrote:I would think that Russian and Iranian intel is pretty much au fait with what is happening on the ground and are reacting to that.

The Iranians are probably moving tanks up to the border as a statement of menace as opposed to intent to use. Given their claims on the capability of their drones and missiles I too doubt that they actually need to cross the border to make the point.

Also

Clash Report
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Orlan-10 UAVs From Russia to Armenia

Co-Chair of the OSCE Minsk Group #Russia, who is responsible to preserve peace in the occupied Nagorno Karabakh region, has supplied Orlan-10 reconnaissance UAVs to Armenia.

Azeri are not their enemy but syrian proxies. Against them they need ground forces to create a buffer zone.

BM and drones are not really good against them in this mountainous area where they can hide easily.

Mindstorm wrote:

Some details that can contribute to explain the significant surge, in the latest week and half, of downed Azeri UAVs in particular over the area of Step'anakert -not accounting obviously for the local greater density of air defense systems covering one the other and the new tactic to lure UAVs in SAM ambushs using paying targets as baits - is provided by the defense minister of the self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh, Artsrun Hovhannisyan, in an television interview.

It explain that over 55% of the downed attack/surveillance and kamikaze UAVs (about 250 between area of Nagorno-Karabakh, Amenia borders and Iranian borders, in the assessment of the Armenia MoD, but about half this figure in that of domestic analysts) has been executed by Оса-АКМ, 35 systems of which with several ammunitions stocks Armenia bought from Giordania for a bit less than $ 27 millions dollars.


Very likely a part of those upgraded Оса-АКМ, that contrarely to the older models operated in other the Nagorno-Karabath can detect and engage UAV targets, has been provided to Artsakh's operators for the defense of the most important area.

This obviously put also in the right technological perspective the clashs in ther area between UAVs and air defenses.  

They have no more Osa. UAVs are downed by soldiers with machine guns.

Even if they managed some kills, Osa proved to be totally useless against them overall.

They need pantsirs or any new AD like the 57mm gun or destroy the bases from where thos drones operates with iskanders or sukhois.

Armenia can't sustain a long war. Either they hit hard abd win quickly or thry will see thrir equipment destroyed slowly like it's happening.

1290 Azerbaijani soldiers bit the dust in mountain

https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/


Knocking out the Azerbaijani BMP-2 IFVs

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324646608886210562


Killing Ottoman soldiers in mountain

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1324660508574781442

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324730687107289089


Destroy the Ottoman kamikaze drone

https://youtu.be/_r5VPXkf2Vw

@ ISOS

"...... Azeri are not their enemy but syrian proxies. Against them they need ground forces to create a buffer zone.BM and drones are not really good against them in this mountainous area where they can hide easily........"

The BM and drone strikes needed to suppress offensive artillery fire into Iran. Agree about Boots on the ground to neutralise Rats. Buffer zone needs to be entire Caucases and beyond.


BTW, Erdo and Co, claim no Turk troop in NK. No proof. One way of proof, is DNA test of captured and dead troops. Azeris have particular DNA, different from Anatolian Rat DNA. Arab DNA. Proof.

There won't be any artillery attack on Iran deliberatly from Azeri army just like they didn't attack Armenia or russian troops in Armenia. They are not dumb.

Iran sends its army so that Turkey and its proxies don't spread their fight in iranian borders.

Foreign parts on TB-2 except from the Behringer part it coincides with the Russian list of last may.

http://anca.org/assets/pdf/BayraktarDrone_US_Nato_Technology.pdf

Stepanakert prepares for the last stand

Heavy Shelling Reported in Nagorno-Karabakh's Capital

https://lenta.ru/news/2020/11/06/veterany/

https://nvo.ng.ru/wars/2020-11-05/5_1116_wars.html?print=Y

https://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2020-10-22/1_1114_karabakh.html?print=Y

Isos wrote:
They have no more Osa. UAVs are downed by soldiers with machine guns.

Even if they managed some kills, Osa proved to be totally useless against them overall.

They need pantsirs or any new AD like the 57mm gun or destroy the bases from where thos drones operates with iskanders or sukhois.

Maybe the micro UAVs with barely any altitude capability between them, sure. But anything flying more than 500 yards up? With rifles and machineguns, there's just no way. Besides there's hardly any reason for the Armenians to lie about which asset they've been using to down said drones, and they've downed a lot.

Isos wrote:
Armenia can't sustain a long war. Either they hit hard abd win quickly or thry will see thrir equipment destroyed slowly like it's happening.

The Russians are constantly replenishing the Armenians stock of heavy equipment, arms and ammunition while they still haven't tapped into their reserves of manpower. The Azeris on the other hand are burning precious hard currency buying drones to blow up low value targets and are losing highly trained SF assaulting positions held by reservists because their regular army is too dogsh*t for the job. One side is rapidly losing their edge while the other side is only amassing theirs.

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324764847234572290?s=20

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