2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

Isos wrote:They have no more Osa. UAVs are downed by soldiers with machine guns.

Isos wrote:They need pantsirs or any new AD like the 57mm gun or destroy the bases from where thos drones operates with iskanders or sukhois.

Armenia can't sustain a long war. Either they hit hard abd win quickly or thry will see thrir equipment destroyed slowly like it's happening.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Speaking of drones. You can get a Mavic 2 Zoom for only 1000 bucks. It flies for 30+ minutes, has control range up to 10 km, 2 times optical zoom. It's more than sufficient for a small place like Karabakh. Not to mention something this small made of plastic won't show on radar.



On top of that, you can get FPV which makes pilot training much easier and quicker.

lyle6 wrote:Winter snows have arrived:

Isos wrote:They have no more Osa. UAVs are downed by soldiers with machine guns.

Even if they managed some kills, Osa proved to be totally useless against them overall.

They need pantsirs or any new AD like the 57mm gun or destroy the bases from where thos drones operates with iskanders or sukhois.

Armenia can't sustain a long war. Either they hit hard abd win quickly or thry will see thrir equipment destroyed slowly like it's happening.

why has Armenia’s current Western financed regime refused to recognize Nagorno Karabakh? Why has our Western financed regime in Yerevan not properly prepared for this war, a war we knew was coming for the past 4 years? Why has our Western financed regime in Yerevan not committing the full potential of Armenia’s armed forces to Karabakh’s defense? Why has our Western financed regime in Yerevan not bombed Ganja’s oil pipelines? Why has our Western financed regime in Yerevan not brought the war into Azerbaijan to put Baku on the defensive? Wasn’t Nikol’s defense minister promising us “new war, new territories”?

Also, when the hell did Kababakh become Russia’s fight? Have you people lost all sense of reality? When was Russia expected to fight for us in Karabakh? Did you just make that up in your head?

For over 10 years Russian shave been asking us to accept Russian peacekeepers in the region and give back the 5 buffer zones in exchange for peace. For over then years we were showing them the middle finger. We kept telling them – watch the Turkish border, we’ll handle the Azeris. Then in 2018 we enthusiastically accepted a CIA and George Soros financed government to come to power and ruin the trust between Moscow and Yerevan. For the past 2.5 years Nikol has been populated his government with professional Russophobes. So, we Armenians NO LONGER have the right to ask for any extracurricular favors from Moscow anymore.

If Moscow allowed this war to materialize, it did so to teach our self-destructive and political illiterate peasantry a lesson.

Nevertheless, imagine what would have happened if Russia’s military was not present in Armenia and Turks and Azeris had a free hand to do whatever they wanted. Imagine what would have happened if Turks and Azeris opened fronts in Nakhijevan and Tavush. You think they are not opening those front because they are afraid of the mighty diasporan cavalry? Imagine what would have happened if Russia did not keep airlifting armaments and ammunition to Armenia on a regular basis.

Why is it that Armenians are persistently self-destructive, shortsighted and utterly illiterate when it comes to politics?

Anyway, we already lost this war. Azeris has taken substantial amounts of lands. They have killed over 2000 of our soldiers. They have destroyed hundreds of millions of dollars of our armaments. In the end, Moscow will step in to clean up the mess that we had a hand in creating. We will probably be allowed to hold on to some parts of Artsakh proper, hopefully Berdzor and Karvachar as well. All other territories will go to Baku. After this mess, Armenia will be even more dependent on Russia for survival…

Mindstorm wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Speaking of drones. You can get a Mavic 2 Zoom for only 1000 bucks. It flies for 30+ minutes, has control range up to 10 km, 2 times optical zoom. It's more than sufficient for a small place like Karabakh. Not to mention something this small made of plastic won't show on radar.



On top of that, you can get FPV which makes pilot training much easier and quicker.

And what a military force should do with a similar toy ?

There exist also much smaller drones that can be used  and are useful for monitor and surveillance roles among front line infantry forces and infiltration troops , but there stop theirs utility.

If you want to see what Azerbaijan forces are very often utilizing as theirs search and suppress drone you must see this one

 

At 1:25 you can see what is ther potential, a warhead of about 1,5 kg of mid potential explosive.....obviously with a good video, rigorously in night vision channels, that small explosion will appear a fearful black fireball killing a lot of enemy soldiers at meters from it ir even destroying a lightly armoured vehicle.

Reality is much less spectacular......and is exactly the reason for which forces of the self-proclaimed Artsakh Republic continue to shot from working artillery, continue to down UAV with working air defenses, continue to engage enemies with machinegun fire, etc.....

Isos wrote:
They have no Osa left. Azeri have started to use their su-25 there with real bombs.

Armenia had probably some tens Osa. Plenty were destroyed in NK and they won't risk loosing everything there. NK must be empty of AD systems with only manpad left.

AAA is totally useless against armed drones. They better not send troops operate them.

Thry survived a long time but with no more good systems azeri will push more faster.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Another reason Russia and Iran back Armenia is because of common Indo European heritage. Turkey backs Azerbaijian due to common Turkic heritage.

It is unfortunate that at a critical time like this Armenia has an incompetent, arrogant leader like Nikol Pashinian. His policies have contributed to the current predicament in Artsakh. Let us enumerate some of his crucial mistakes:

1.Pashinian tried to ingratiate himself with the West upon taking office, thus alienating our only guarantor, Russia. For a journalist, Pashinian seems to ignore both the history and geography of Armenia. When was the last time any Western country came to the rescue of Armenia or the Armenians? This misguided infatuation with the West is a malady many Armenians suffer from, but for the leader of the nation such misguided infatuation is inexcusable.

2.Pashinian committed the ultimate folly in establishing diplomatic relations with Israel,at a time when Israel was actively supplying all manner of lethal weaponry to the Azeris,including the deadly Harop drones.In doing so,he also alienated Iran, another country of critical importance to Armenia.At the time there were demonstrations in Iran protesting Pashinian’s decision.This was an act with dire consequences for Armenia.

3.In a meeting in Munich,Germany,this past summer,Pashinian made grandiose,bellicose statements unworthy of a seasoned diplomat.He came across as a loudmouth and unduly antagonized the Azeri leader Aliev in front of a European audience.

In sum, we have an incompetent for a leader.Future historians when writing about the events of 2020 in Artsakh will surely point the finger at Pashinian.If we lose Artsakh,it will be in great part due to the headstrong,arrogant and foolish policies of Pashinian.
Our prayer is that God Almighty have mercy on our nation and grant us wise,competent leaders that are up for the job and think before they act.
My recommendation for Pashinian is to resign and present an official apology to his nation.The longer he stays,the more damage he will cause.

lyle6 wrote:

Isos wrote:
They have no Osa left. Azeri have started to use their su-25 there with real bombs.

Armenia had probably some tens Osa. Plenty were destroyed in NK and they won't risk loosing everything there. NK must be empty of AD systems with only manpad left.

AAA is totally useless against armed drones. They better not send troops operate them.

Thry survived a long time but with no more good systems azeri will push more faster.

Yeah, and that Su-25 got blown to bits for its trouble. Word of advice: Lay off the sauce. You also need to stop guzzling whatever weaksauce propaganda the Turkish rentboys like oryx are peddling my dude - its not good for the mind.

George1 wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Another reason Russia and Iran back Armenia is because of common Indo European heritage. Turkey backs Azerbaijian due to common Turkic heritage.

there are also azeris living in Iran and make up about the 17% of the population.

miketheterrible wrote:Great article. Can you provide link?

Thanks.

Yeah, it boils down to the retarded leader of Armenia.

But, that is what the people chose in protest.  Hence why protests never bring a good leader. Armenia, Ukraine, Georgia, Russia 1993, etc.

kvs wrote:So he's a journalist.  That explains it.