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    Post  Regular Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:08 pm

    I was looking at the videos and there was one with T-90 getting hit by ATGM to the side..

    Yet Armenians cut the video short..

    I assume this tank survived then? There are no pictures or videos of the aftermath?
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    Post  Regular Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:19 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Speaking of drones. You can get a Mavic 2 Zoom for only 1000 bucks. It flies for 30+ minutes, has control range up to 10 km, 2 times optical zoom. It's more than sufficient for a small place like Karabakh. Not to mention something this small made of plastic won't show on radar.



    On top of that, you can get FPV which makes pilot training much easier and quicker.


    Yes, they are almost invisible even 100ft above your head.. and barely audible too.

    But FPV for what? Just use map with satellite overlay to move and camera to observe.. why would use use anything else?

    I did mapping with this and Pro drones and they don't have best sensors, they barely work for 20 minutes(yes, not 30) high wind makes it impossible to use, signal gets lost very quick as well.. overpriced junk, DJI already met it's match, wait for battery technology to improve to find small drones really useful.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:47 pm

    Regular wrote:I was looking at the videos and there was one with T-90 getting hit by ATGM to the side..

    Yet Armenians cut the video short..

    I assume this tank survived then? There are no pictures or videos of the aftermath?

    A hit on the side by ATGM is practically a guaranteed kill.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:56 pm

    Armenia is definitely getting armed drones. Because Russia don't have any armed drones, they can go for Chinese Wing Loong 10 which is the latest Wing Loong series armed drone. It is jet powered, huge carries dozens of missiles, and has SATCOM.

    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-unveils-wing-loong-10-attack-drone.690119/

    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2 - Page 16 Wing-Loong-10

    The previous Wing Loong armed drone Wing Loong 2 already made Turkish TB2 look like a child's play in Libya



    It is certain China is the global leader in both civilian hobby drones and military drones.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:03 am


    Shusha is about to fall, If Pasha walks away from this alive Armenians will have to blame themselves double the amount

    Nagorno-Karabakh: the battle of Shushi, key to the conflict in the region, rages

    https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2020/11/07/la-bataille-de-chouchi-cle-du-conflit-au-haut-karabakh-fait-rage_6058893_3210.html

    Azerbaijani forces have reached the historic city, a major objective of the offensive launched on September 27 by Baku. The intense fights turn to their advantage.

    Shushi's defenders are in tatters. Heaped up on top of each other at the back of military ambulances, they landed by dozens, wounded, bloody, exhausted, at Stepanakert hospital in the valley. Others descend from the mountain, haggard, without knowing if they will resume the fight. Along the route, packages were hastily abandoned by units under artillery and sniper fire.

    It looks a lot like a day of breakup. Even if the power of Stepanakert denies it, the battle of Shushi seemed to turn, Friday, November 6 in the evening, to the advantage of the Azerbaijani forces

    Shushi's defenders are in tatters. Heaped up on top of each other at the back of military ambulances, they landed by dozens, wounded, bloody, exhausted, at Stepanakert hospital in the valley. Others descend from the mountain, haggard, without knowing if they will resume the fight. Along the route, packages were hastily abandoned by units under artillery and sniper fire.

    It looks a lot like a day of breakup. Even if the power of Stepanakert denies it, the battle of Shushi seemed to turn, Friday, November 6 in the evening, to the advantage of the Azerbaijani forces.

    It has been nearly a week since the Baku army, whose stated objective is to reconquer Nagorno-Karabakh lost during the war with Armenia (1988-1994), arrived within gun range of Shushi. . The main front was frozen for a time in the forests near the village of Karin Tak, where the fighting was very heavy. Then, for three days, commandos led on the roads around Shushi night incursions intended to test the defenses of the city.....
    ............


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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:08 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Shusha is about to fall, If Pasha walks away from this alive Armenians will have to blame themselves double the amount  

    Nagorno-Karabakh: the battle of Shushi, key to the conflict in the region, rages

    https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2020/11/07/la-bataille-de-chouchi-cle-du-conflit-au-haut-karabakh-fait-rage_6058893_3210.html

    Azerbaijani forces have reached the historic city, a major objective of the offensive launched on September 27 by Baku. The intense fights turn to their advantage.

    Shushi's defenders are in tatters. Heaped up on top of each other at the back of military ambulances, they landed by dozens, wounded, bloody, exhausted, at Stepanakert hospital in the valley. Others descend from the mountain, haggard, without knowing if they will resume the fight. Along the route, packages were hastily abandoned by units under artillery and sniper fire.

    It looks a lot like a day of breakup. Even if the power of Stepanakert denies it, the battle of Shushi seemed to turn, Friday, November 6 in the evening, to the advantage of the Azerbaijani forces

    Shushi's defenders are in tatters. Heaped up on top of each other at the back of military ambulances, they landed by dozens, wounded, bloody, exhausted, at Stepanakert hospital in the valley. Others descend from the mountain, haggard, without knowing if they will resume the fight. Along the route, packages were hastily abandoned by units under artillery and sniper fire.

    It looks a lot like a day of breakup. Even if the power of Stepanakert denies it, the battle of Shushi seemed to turn, Friday, November 6 in the evening, to the advantage of the Azerbaijani forces.

    It has been nearly a week since the Baku army, whose stated objective is to reconquer Nagorno-Karabakh lost during the war with Armenia (1988-1994), arrived within gun range of Shushi. . The main front was frozen for a time in the forests near the village of Karin Tak, where the fighting was very heavy. Then, for three days, commandos led on the roads around Shushi night incursions intended to test the defenses of the city.....
    ............



    Shushi is not going to fall. Unlike southern Karabakh which is historically ethnic Azerbaijani land, Shushi is historically ethnic Armenian land. The only way Azerbaijanis can take Shushi is if Azerbaijanis kill every single Armenian man woman and child all 3 million of them, and I don't see that happening.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:12 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    But, that is what the people chose in protest.  Hence why protests never bring a good leader. Armenia, Ukraine, Georgia, Russia 1993, etc.

    Just like the anti Trump protest bringing forward Biden in the US in 2020.

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    Post  Mindstorm Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:16 am

    Regular wrote:I was looking at the videos and there was one with T-90 getting hit by ATGM to the side..

    Yet Armenians cut the video short..

    I assume this tank survived then? There are no pictures or videos of the aftermath?


    Yes the tank suffered minimal damage.
    This happened often also in Syria and some of those instances also was recoded in terrorist's video (i posted some time ago one of those )





    The main factors involved in those side ATGM engagements are mostly:

    1) The presence of ДЗ tiles in the hit area and theirs models.
    2) The geometry of the hit (particularly important for the ДЗ of first two domestic generations initialization and the time interaction with the jet's formation).
    3) The potential and presence of tandem warhead ion the ATGM (particularly against first and second generation export ДЗ of domestic production).
    4) Presence of particular composite inserts in the hit area of the base tank's armor.



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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:42 am

    Tank Sand Cat and BMP-2 were all hit. Tank has not moved from spot since attack. Turret hatches are open.

    Also second proven TB-2 destroyed.
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    Post  Regular Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:32 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Tank Sand Cat and BMP-2 were all hit. Tank has not moved from spot since attack. Turret hatches are open.

    Also second proven TB-2 destroyed.

    Sorry, but aren't you talking about T-72 was knocked out of action? T-90 video seems to be inconclusive.

    Also, interesting footage from Shushi,
    It seems Azeris have a highground. Notice how calm someone walks in the middle of shooting .

    https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1325388219328946177?s=20
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:13 pm

    Regular wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Tank Sand Cat and BMP-2 were all hit. Tank has not moved from spot since attack. Turret hatches are open.

    Also second proven TB-2 destroyed.

    Sorry, but aren't you talking about T-72 was knocked out of action? T-90 video seems to be inconclusive.

    Also, interesting footage from Shushi,
    It seems Azeris have a highground. Notice how calm someone walks in the middle of shooting .

    https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1325388219328946177?s=20

    No there was RSTOM description of zone this was in the South 4 km from ARM border proper.

    Just like previous T-90S the tanks are just left there to rot.

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:54 pm

    Destroying the Azerbaijani TB2

    https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1325387438139846657

    https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1325387691421282304


    https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1325421133815033856


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    Post  lyle6 Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:23 pm

    Fred333 wrote:
    I am looking for evidence of this, do you have some? I am suspecting they are a paid propaganda front masquerading as a bellingcat-light operation.
    Mitzer's numbers are trash because he takes (Turkish/Azeri/jihadi) combat footage at face value. I have far greater respect for the autists running the lostarmor site who not only have done a far better job documenting equipment losses (color pictures, multiple views, statistics) but have also went the extra mile and made it that these claims are verifiable - some even have google map tags on them. He's a hack pandering to his Turkish audience, and hey, there's nothing wrong with that - a man has to eat after all, but to pose as an objective observer is just reaching.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:52 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/08/azerbaijan-claims-to-have-captured-key-city-in-nagorno-karabakh

    Fears of civilian exodus rise as Azerbaijan advances in Karabakh


    https://nv.ua/world/countries/nagornyy-karabah-armeniya-evakuiruet-zhiteley-stepanakerta-poslednie-novosti-50122736.html


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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:48 pm

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    That´s why so many tails of Smerch rockets are found.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:58 pm

    blasting Azerbaijani soldiers near Shusha  attack  

    https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1325538169077575681


    destroyed Azerbaiijani tanks and dead Azerbaijani soldiers

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:18 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:...

    Fears of civilian exodus rise as Azerbaijan advances in Karabakh

    ...

    Already happening in Stepankeret
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:27 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:...

    Fears of civilian exodus rise as Azerbaijan advances in Karabakh

    ...

    Already happening in Stepankeret
    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2 - Page 16 FdhuLv

    Fake footage from Turkish propaganda. Already debunked. Razz

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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:35 am

    Nope, Pussynian has made sure that Armenians in the NK are losing. The Azeris already control a key supply road that
    has cut off the bulk of the NK defenders.

    Note that Uncle Swine-shit and his EU minions have done nothing to save bootlick Pussynian's Armenia. That's the sort of leader
    that NATzO wants in every country it wants to use and abuse. Like Banderastan formerly known as Ukraine.

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:14 am

    Armenians in combat against Azerbaijanis in mountain

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1325578014193803266
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:16 am

    kvs wrote:Nope, Pussynian has made sure that Armenians in the NK are losing.   The Azeris already control a key supply road that
    has cut off the bulk of the NK defenders.

    Note that Uncle Swine-shit and his EU minions have done nothing to save bootlick Pussynian's Armenia.   That's the sort of leader
    that NATzO wants in every country it wants to use and abuse.   Like Banderastan formerly known as Ukraine.


    Armenians see Putin as coward for handing northern Syria to Erdogan in exchange for S-400 deal. You wait and see. Biden will arm Armenians with Javelin anti tank missiles and the tide will turn in Armenians favor. Biden absolutely hates Erdogan the self proclaimed new sultan.
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    Post  nero Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:28 am

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Armenians see Putin as coward for handing northern Syria to Erdogan in exchange for S-400 deal. You wait and see. Biden will arm Armenians with Javelin anti tank missiles and the tide will turn in Armenians favor. Biden absolutely hates Erdogan the self proclaimed new sultan.
    Is this some sort of weird sarcastic joke that I do not understand?

    Biden might as well give the Armenians nuclear warheads. By the way things are currently folding out it will not matter in the slightest. Where are regular Armenian formations? They're not actually taking part in the war! They're sitting safely in Armenia doing jack shit whilst the volunteers and young kids are dying on the front-lines in NK. They do not even recognize the Republic Artsakh themselves.

    So do tell me who the real cowards are...

    Previously in the thread I was annoyed that Russia does nothing over this. Yet why should they when the Armenians themselves are very lax about the entire situation? There is the occasional plane from Mozdok, though that is likely to supply the Russian base in Gyurmi as other means of transport are limited.

    If the siege on Stepanakert starts the war is practically over. That will leave 1/3rd of Artsakh population displaced. Morale will be completely ruined in most sane people and the left-overs will amount to a cleanup operation.

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:35 am

    Ahhhh shit how can Armenia even compete? Shocked

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:49 am

    nero wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Armenians see Putin as coward for handing northern Syria to Erdogan in exchange for S-400 deal. You wait and see. Biden will arm Armenians with Javelin anti tank missiles and the tide will turn in Armenians favor. Biden absolutely hates Erdogan the self proclaimed new sultan.
    Is this some sort of weird sarcastic joke that I do not understand?

    Biden might as well give the Armenians nuclear warheads. By the way things are currently folding out it will not matter in the slightest. Where are regular Armenian formations? They're not actually taking part in the war! They're sitting safely in Armenia doing jack shit whilst the volunteers and young kids are dying on the front-lines in NK. They do not even recognize the Republic Artsakh themselves.

    So do tell me who the real cowards are...

    Previously in the thread I was annoyed that Russia does nothing over this. Yet why should they when the Armenians themselves are very lax about the entire situation? There is the occasional plane from Mozdok, though that is likely to supply the Russian base in Gyurmi as other means of transport are limited.

    If the siege on Stepanakert starts the war is practically over. That will leave 1/3rd of Artsakh population displaced. Morale will be completely ruined in most sane people and the left-overs will amount to a cleanup operation.

    BS. Armenia used Smerch in combat. Hell, the entire Armenia has 6 to 8 Smerch.





    Armenian Orlan drones bought from Russia are also used.

    https://twitter.com/ShStepanyan/status/1324026992480735234

    Also, Pushinyan's wife and son are both fighting in Karabakh. Do some research before you talk out of your ass.

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