2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Yes but they can also before six months go "Sorry we aren't doing this anymore".

At that stage Russian forces will leave, there is some confusion. Russia will only be there on as both parties agree to the deal.

It isn't going to enforce a one-sided peace deal. Maaaaaaybe they would if Armenia makes them a greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat deal but that's it.

This is part of the written agreement. If one side or the other backs off from it, it doesn't prevent Russia from leaving. As you said, only unless some kind of new agreement is signed between Azerbaijan and Armenia (with maybe Russian arm twisting here and there).

But I doubt that will happen. Azerbaijans pride is on the line here, and so is Armenia's.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Nemo wrote:Russia just won again. Prevented the collapse of Armenia, does not let the Azeris have a complete victory, ran with "Pussyani" and west friends of power and deploys troops in order to effectively block the advance of neo-ottomans for 5 years that are basically going to be forever.

In addition, Russia armed himself with diplomatic capital to start running with the Turks in northern Syria and to start putting pressure on the American military presence in the east. I think that soon we will see a major operation there.

The collapse of Armenia? Azeri wasn't going to invade Armenia....

Azeri still got a major win and they will be back for the rest. Azeri is the winner in this war.

Five years isn't forever, Azeri will build up and get ready in those five years.

Azeri got past the mountains, this was the main problem holding them up on stage two of the offensive, they will not have to deal with them thus their advance will be far more devastating.

If they touch Stepanakert now that Russian peacekeepers are there, they will see Russian tanks just outside Baku (ask Saakashvili for advice on the matter).

Until now Russia only acted as a mediator and was not directly involved in the conflict.

I want to see, however, what will be the price of the reparation for the mi24 and the 2 russian losses.

Well the most recent example we got was nothing when Isreal got an entire plane of them killed and all Russia did was send AA systems to Syria the Syrians haven't been allowed to use...

PapaDragon wrote:
Armenia is already turning towards the West, Radio Free Europe in Armenia just got trashed and online liberals and commies are blaming Russia, it's all over folks

About 40 young man attacked the headquarters of the Armenian service of
@RFERL, journalist Artak Hambardzumyan, cameramen Mesropyan were beaten up

Here’s a video posted by Artak Hambardzumyan...

https://twitter.com/ditord/status/1325973831115304962


Remember, these are people who until several hours ago were convinced that they were winning this war decisively because Pasha told them so and EU loving democrats never lie

It's going to be quite a hangover in the morning, no wonder Pasha decided to fold in the dead of night, just imagine what would have happened if it was daytime?

Please stop being silly.

These people know exactly how bad the situation was. What they're doing here is the typical post-partum tantrum;

RFE/RL told them Russia wasnot needed. RFE/RL told them that Pashinyan was a better option. By doing so RFE/RL worked ironically to shield Russia from its responsibilities.
For every one of you out there, Russians died for nothing yesterday. Because tomorrow they will have to fight the Azeris to the last man. Yo ucan count on that.

What?

Azerbaijan agreed to the peacekeepers so how will they be doing that?

Is this another one of your assumptions?  Assuming Azerbaijan will just break it to attack Russia directly when they pissed their pants and kept asking for forgiveness after mi-24 shoot down?

Your emotions in this is clouding your judgement.

We will see what happens in five years.

What happened to Armenian?

Hope he's fine.

To summarize this conflict: Now Russia has 2.000 troops inside Aserbaidschan.

miketheterrible wrote:What?

Azerbaijan agreed to the peacekeepers so how will they be doing that?

Is this another one of your assumptions?  Assuming Azerbaijan will just break it to attack Russia directly when they pissed their pants and kept asking for forgiveness after mi-24 shoot down?

Your emotions in this is clouding your judgement.

We will see what happens in five years.

hahaha 5 years dude..  you live in total delusion if you think aliev will wait 5 years to recapture
their remaining lands..  this was a cease of fire to re-arm ,regroup and allow turkey to mass produce more drones to repeat and finish the job and later people in this forum ,yourself included will be finding ways to twist this into blaming it on armenia government for seeking to go to the west..
in light of putin lack of support to protect territory they all believe without question is armenian land and not azeri land.. as they are forced by russia to say for lipservice ,to not provoke azerbaijan into a war ,or make it look they contradict putin.  

armenia will be lucky if in 5 months this war is not restarted again.


and speaking about propaganda twisting.  is fun to watch russian media in total damage control ,
blaming it all on armenia (just like in this forum) claiming "Armenia was defeated" , ignoring that
it was Russia the one defeated ,because they were the ones supplying armenia with all their weapons ,trainning and logistics to defend themselves.. even there were reports of russian private mercenaries helping the fight in nagorno karabah.. with anna news covering it..  russian media did not covered much the humiliating fact of the failure of the russian defenses on armenia territory ,like s-300s ,pantsirs and tors..  just saw one video recently of a tor brand new system completely destroyed by drones in armenia.. in very high details.. when detect the drones near they try to hide the TOR defense inside a big house and the drones smash the entire building with the Tor inside.

Russian media is showing headlines like this..

-Russia "stopped" the armenia nagorno karabah war..
-Armenia lose the battle of karabah..

and then they start to explain (like in this forum) to blame it all on pashinyan ,completely ignoring
the fact that the best air defenses of russia completely failed to stop turkey and israel drone war in armenia.  this was a major defeat of russia.. and is a major turning point for nato ,because thanks to
russian military improper defense of armenia main territory not only their best anti drone air defenses were destroyed there.. but also they got their helicopter show down in a clear act of war..
because it wasn't in any way anywhere near the combat zone ,and putin electronic "president s " defenses totally failed to stop the manpads from shuting down the helicopter..  so far what i see happening is putin's media and apologers online trying to save face of russia failure in protecting their soldiers and armenia.

the "cease of fire" is only a pretty name for acceptance of defeat by russia and armenia and asking
for time for them to retreat from the zones.. which is what will happen.azerbaijan will not accept anything less that completely kicking of armenia from nagorno karabah ,and when they finish there..they will go for more ,and provoke armenia into another major war to open a corridor to azerbaijan..  even aliev told this in public.. that this is what they want.. a corridor to the mediterranean sea.. and the only way he can do that  is invading armenia main lands.. and so russia will be again provoked and disrespected and air defenses destroyed and putin will do nothing.. other than capitulate ,  demand armenia to open a corridor for azerbaijan to connect with turkey..  those muslim terrorist like aliev and erdogan ,they never honor any signed agreements with putin.. with anyone ,just like erdogan is not doing any of his agreements with putin over syria.. and putin will be forced into a big indirect war by turkey and azerbaijan against armenia.. same way erdogan have been doing for years against syria and putin did nothing..

title.. Armenia loses its last battle for Karabakh  
https://vz.ru/world/2020/11/9/1069698.html

but it was not only a loss for armenia. the biggest loser in this war is putin's Russia , because they were beaten in this war ,since russia is supposed to protect armenians ,their allies and they failed..
not only to protect armenians on nagorno but also protect armenians on armenia ,not even putin did anything ,even when they constantly bombed armenia main land.. so putin popularity in russia will sink after this disaster he did not prevented to happen.. and neither protected their own soldiers in armenian land after a clear act of war.

and having a pro putin puppet as leader of armenia will have not make any difference.. the one who was before pasha , was pro putin and anti nato and still he was left on his own when azerbaijan began to invade and behead armenian soldiers.. that they lost territory.. so armenia lost territory in 2016 and in 2020 too.. so who is to blame for this? pasha? or is putin foreign policy?
i think is the later.. if armenia was part of nato they will have not lost a single inch of territory ,because americans will have bombed to hell azarbaijan if they show down their apache hellicopters..
putin weakness and cowardice is also to blame ,for the lost ,his major weakness encourage enemies to use a shooting practice russian soldiers . will not be surprising if those stories of russian officers killed in their barracks ,by a crazy lonely conscript are in reality russian soldiers that died operating those TORs in armenia -nagorno karabah and were bombed by turkey and israel drones. i will give 3 months or earlier for the war to start.. it could be in just 4 weeks.. up to 3 months ,they will finish the job of kicking armenia out of 100% of karabah.

Russia sends almost 2 thousand peacekeepers to Nagorno-Karabakh

Moscow. November 10. INTERFAX-AVN-The Russian peacekeeping contingent in Nagorno-Karabakh will number almost 2 thousand soldiers, the Russian defense Ministry said.
"To monitor the ceasefire and military operations, a peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation consisting of 1,960 military personnel, 90 armored personnel carriers, and 380 vehicles and special equipment is being deployed in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict zone," the Russian defense Ministry said in a statement.
The Russian contingent will be based on units of the 15th separate motorized rifle (peacekeeping) brigade of the Central military district, the military Department said.
"The departure of the Russian peacekeeping contingent from the Ulyanovsk airfield is carried out by IL-76 military transport aircraft," the Russian defense Ministry said.
The 15th separate motorized rifle brigade was formed on February 1, 2005 to participate in the maintenance of international peace and security. This is the only compound in the Russian land forces for peacekeeping purposes, part of the 2nd combined arms army of the Central military district (CVO).
The press service of the Central military DISTRICT stated that the brigade is staffed only by contract soldiers, equipped with modern weapons. The 15th brigade was given the honorary name "alexandriyskaya" by the decree of the President of the Russian Federation in October 2018.
On Tuesday night, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that a complete cease-fire and all military operations have been declared in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict zone since November 10.
"On November 9, President of the Republic of Azerbaijan Aliyev, Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia Pashinyan and the President of the Russian Federation signed a statement declaring a complete cease-fire and all military operations in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict zone from 00: 00 Moscow time on November 10, 2020. The Republic of Azerbaijan and the Republic of Armenia stop at their positions, " Putin said.
He said that Armenia and Azerbaijan have agreed to exchange prisoners and bodies of the dead, and the refugees are returning to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.
Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan called the text of the trilateral statement painful for Armenia.
"The text of the statement is very painful for me personally and for our people. I made this decision as a result of a deep analysis of the military situation and the assessment of people who are better able to handle the situation, " Pashinyan said on Facebook.
Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said that the military phase of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is over.
"The military phase is ending, and we are moving to a political settlement. This is the most profitable option for us. This is actually a military surrender of Armenia, " Aliyev said in an address to the Azerbaijani people on Tuesday night.
Aliyev said that a joint peacekeeping mission of Russia and Turkey will be carried out in Nagorno-Karabakh.

NOTES:
- peacekeepers are not the VDV like some reported but from the special peacekeeping 15th MR brigade stationed outside of Samara.
- Russians have stated Turkish soldiers will not be with them deployed at the front lines. Any deployed will be within the rear of Azeri zones of control.

According to the terms, Russian peacekeepers can only stay if Azerbaijan agrees after 5 years to renew. They won't. By then they will have rebuilt their military to launch offensive to capture Stepanakert.

Now is the time Armenia arm itself with Chinese made Wing Loong 10 attack drones. Drones are cheap to buy, easy to service, pilots are easy to train. Armenia can buy hundreds with the funds Democrats raised. 5 years from now there will be a big war. A very big war indeed.

1400 Azerbaijani fag slaughtered in Karabakh. Not too shabby.

https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Pashinyan puts the blame for the defeat on the army: I signed a disadvantageous peace on their advice, they told me they had no options to continue the war.

What a coward!

And leader of Nagorno Karabah is blaming COVID and hemorrhoids (no joke)

Armenians online seem to have accepted defeat better than expected and are already refocusing on the need to preserve democracy at any cost and not allow anything bad to happen to Pasha

I think this was never about Nagorno Karabah to them, it was about chugging that precious Brussels jizz

Russia definitely made a smart move here

Russians should just leave them to kill each other why would they risk the lives of their peacekeepers...i think its stupid. When azeris get another chance they will go on the offensive 100 %

KoTeMoRe wrote:...One should never put for tomorrow, what it can do the present day with less effort. Now in order to "glass the region", Russia has a worse footing and will be forced to unnecessary bloodshed in Northern Azerbaijan. Way to lose a gold opportunity;

Gold opportunity for what? Securing the region for EU?

Say what you want about Azerbaijan but they are at least loyal to the country which is keeping them safe

Opposite is true for Armenia

Vann7 wrote:...hahaha 5 years dude.. you live in total delusion if you think aliev will wait 5 years to recapture
their remaining lands.....

You hit the nail on the head here Vann: THEIR LANDS

Not Armenian land according to everyone including Armenians first and foremost but Azeri land

Armenia has been consistent about one thing throughout this whole war: Nagorno Karabah is rightful Azeri land

Armenians never recognized independence of Nagorno Karabah nor did they claim the land for themselves, according to all the laws and common sense it's Azeri land

So why should Russia get involved in a war just to take Azeri land and then do what? Give it to a country that never wanted it in the first place? What if they nhad said 'no'? Then what?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Well the most recent example we got was nothing when Isreal got an entire plane of them killed and all Russia did was send AA systems to Syria the Syrians haven't been allowed to use...

The Russian's extorted juicy secrets out from Nitwityahoo, we know the Israeli's love to sell U.S. military secrets to the highest bidder. We saw them do that with the Hebrew F-16 aka the IAI Lavi and all of a sudden the PRC managed to develop the J-10 out of thin air.

Don't full yourself. Russian army will not go from Artzakh. They didn't go there on request from Armenia or Azerbaijan. They went there to protect their own interests. Pashinyan betray Artzakh and leave it to Turkey, so Armenia will not get it. Azerbaijan after genocide will not get it either. USSR give it to Azerbaijan and Russia will take it. Most probably Russia will recognize independence of Artzakh and sign agreement for Russian army there. Azerbaijan will not touch it as they have Russia on northern border.

The war over Nagorno-Karabakh has ended for now. The Armenian Autonomous Oblast within Azerbaijan will continue to exits with Russian peacekeepers currently deploying to control its borders. Most of the Armenian occupied territories will be handed back to Azerbaijan. A Russian controlled land corridor will connect Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia.

This is the outcome that Russia had long proposed during previous peace negotiations.

Armenia, under the western-installed Prime Minister Pashinyan, has barely managed to defend the ethnic enclave. Azerbaijan did not achieve its hoped for control over all of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Azerbaijan, with its wealth of gas and oil money, had been able to arm itself with hundreds of drones from Turkey and Israel that allowed it to achieve air superiority. The Armenian defenders were not trained to sufficiently camouflage themselves from air threats. Their old air defenses were not capable enough to detect and defend against small drones. They therefore lost hundreds of tanks and artillery pieces to suicide drone attacks.

Azerbaijan, and the contingent of 'moderate rebels' mercenaries it had rented from Turkey, failed to invade the mountainous core of Nagorno-Karabakh. They lost several thousand men, many more than the defending Armenians, while trying to do that.





Armenia had to agree to the ceasefire after Azerbaijan gained control of Shusha, a town on the 'Lachin corridor' supply road between Stapanakert in Nagorno-Karbakh and Armenia. Azerbaijan had to agree to the ceasefire after its forces yesterday shot down a Russian helicopter flying within Armenia. Any further move after that would have brought Russian forces into the war.

After the announcement of the ceasefire Armenians stormed government buildings in Yerevan. Prime Minister Pashinyan, who had neglected the military while trying to make nice with the 'west', is likely to get removed from his office.

With this outcome Russia has strengthened its position in the Caucasus while Turkey's attempt to insert itself into the region had only limited success.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/11/russia-achives-ceasefire-in-nagorno-karabakh

Hi all, my first post in the forum.

Serious question, what is holding Armenia now, to partnership with Georgia and turn west?

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Pashinyan puts the blame for the defeat on the army: I signed a disadvantageous peace on their advice, they told me they had no options to continue the war.

What a coward!

What a slimeball. The army follows the orders of the leadership. That would be him. The Armenian army was not engaged directly
on account of his own choices.

Somebody needs to put a few caps into the cranium of this turd.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:


Well the most recent example we got was nothing when Isreal got an entire plane of them killed and all Russia did was send AA systems to Syria the Syrians haven't been allowed to use...

Are you talking about the very case when the Israeli Prime Minister and the entire Israeli high command did not leave Moscow for several weeks, offering personal apologies?

Pacense wrote:
Hi all, my first post in the forum.

Serious question, what is holding Armenia now, to partnership with Georgia and turn west?

Probably because Russia is the only one, who saved their asses just now. And the only ones who will stand between them and the Azerbaijani troops in the next 5 years. Or do you really think that someone from the West will rush to get involved in this conflict on the side of Armenia??

Russia did not lose out of this for sure. It avoided being entangled in an obvious trap which is a real fail for Pussynian and his
NATzO puppet masters and used the idiotic attack on the helicopter to put Azeri nutsacks in a vice. Note how there is no
shrieking about Russian invasion and occupation.

The severe undermining of Pussynian's regime is a clear win also.