Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2

Not much to see here but anyway...

Man, Russians design really pretty ships. Even the ship The Drive claimed was ugly is super cool!!!

kvs wrote:

mnztr wrote:Man, Russians design really pretty ships. Even the ship The Drive claimed was ugly is super cool!!!

I recall Joan Rivers going on about how Russian women were ugly back during the 1980s.   Typical western hate propaganda
addled, masturbatory pissing.  

Joan Rivers had so much rhinoplasty in her face, that she could sell her cheeks to sappers as plastic explosive components!

magnumcromagnon wrote:

kvs wrote:

mnztr wrote:Man, Russians design really pretty ships. Even the ship The Drive claimed was ugly is super cool!!!

I recall Joan Rivers going on about how Russian women were ugly back during the 1980s.   Typical western hate propaganda
addled, masturbatory pissing.  

Joan Rivers had so much rhinoplasty in her face, that she could sell her cheeks to sappers as plastic explosive components!

There actually was a theory proposed by the Exile writers Matt Taibbi and Mark Ames that western women dislike Russia because they feel inferior in looks to Slavic women. They used to mock western women expats in Moscow in a column titled "Fat Ankle News"'.

kvs wrote:
I recall Joan Rivers going on about how Russian women were ugly back during the 1980s.   Typical western hate propaganda
addled, masturbatory pissing.  

Yes but she thought she was beautiful lol. So that kinda explains it.

The most beautiful looking ship I've seen, although i love the mincing look of soviet warships but this one does it for me, the only thing is they need to build more of these, and i get issues with Ukraine and engines were a thing but now they have no excuses.

I Wonder how long the new ones they ordered will take to build, with all the ships technologies and systems ready, hopefully less than 5 years now

I recall Joan Rivers going on about how Russian women were ugly back during the 1980s. Typical western hate propaganda
addled, masturbatory pissing.

Joan Rivers... there was a Joan Rivers doll made by Matel and the sale pitch says it is 100% accurate model because the doll and the original subject are both 100% plastic now.... so it is really a scale reproduction...

She had so many face lifts her double chin was actually her arse...

And to be honest I don't think she was ever pretty... and all the work she had done suggests she didn't either.

Russian-made gas turbine engines and gearboxes loaded onto the frigate "Admiral Golovko"

January 21st, 4:12
According to the web resource Sudostroenie.info, PJSC Severnaya Verf Shipyard (part of United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC) in St. Petersburg in December 2020 completed the loading of the first Russian-made gas turbine engines and gearboxes into the hold branches of the frigate "Admiral Golovko" of project 22350 (serial number 923) under construction for the Russian Navy . This is stated in a report published on January 19, 2021 on the channel of the shipbuilding enterprise Severnaya Verf on the video service Youtube . Loading of the main gas turbine unit M90FR manufactured by PJSC "UEC-Saturn" on


frigate "Admiral Golovko" of project 22350 (serial number 923) under construction for the Russian Navy at PJSC "Shipbuilding plant" Severnaya Verf ". St. Petersburg, December 2020 (c) frame from the video of PJSC "Shipbuilding plant" Severnaya Verf"

It is reported that in order to carry out a technologically complex operation, the workers of the building berth of the Severnaya Verf dismantled three decks with bulkheads. Turbines were first immersed in the opening, then gearboxes. For loading the latter, a floating crane with a large lifting capacity was used. After loading, the work on the alignment and installation of the gas turbine unit, calculated for several months, will be carried out, the video says.

Let us remind you that Admiral Golovko is the third frigate of Project 22350 and the first ship of this project with a completely domestic diesel-gas turbine power plant. On the first two frigates of Project 22350 - Admiral Gorshkov (commissioned in 2018) and Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov(commissioned in 2020) - gas turbine units of the Ukrainian enterprise "Zorya - Mashproekt" were used as afterburners.

Starting from the third hull, Project 22350 frigates will use M90FR gas turbine engines manufactured by UEC-Saturn. Diesel engines 10D49 of the Kolomna plant are installed on the ships as cruising engines. Reducers PO55 are supplied by the Zvezda plant.

The laying of the frigate "Admiral Golovko" took place on February 1, 2012, launching - on May 22, 2020. Project developer - Severnoye PKB.

On the part of bmpd, we recall that, as previously reportedour blog, the first ship kit consisting of two diesel-gas turbine units М55Р of completely Russian production, manufactured by PJSC "UEC-Saturn" and delivered to the Severnaya Verf in November-December 2020, was originally intended for construction for the Russian Navy at PJSC "Shipbuilding Plant" Severnaya Verf "(St. Petersburg) of the fourth frigate of project 22350 " Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Isakov " with serial number 924, which is currently still in the slipway stage of construction. At the same time, it was planned that diesel-gas turbine units М55Р for the third frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Golovko" with serial number 923, launchedon the water on May 22, 2020, "UEC-Saturn" will be commissioned next. This is due to the peculiarity of the renegotiation of contracts for the production of ship units after the Ukrainian crisis of 2014 and the refusal of the Nikolaev State Enterprise NPKG Zorya - Mashproekt to supply M90F gas turbine engines and PO55 gearboxes for Project 22350 frigates under construction in Russia. It was reported that the formal supplier of diesel M55R units for the frigate with serial number 923 were still listed as the Russian-Ukrainian joint venture ZAO Turborus, created at one time with the participation of NPO Saturn and GP NPKG Zorya - Mashproekt. nominally.

However, in the end, the USC management nevertheless decided to install the first ship kit consisting of two M55R diesel-gas turbine units of completely Russian production on the already launched third frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Golovko" with serial number 923 - apparently, fearing its transformation into another long-term construction.

Nikolaev GP NPKG "Zorya" - "Mashproekt" was the developer and manufacturer of gas turbine engines M90F and gearboxes PO55 for the first two frigates of project 22350 "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" and "Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov" with serial numbers 921 and 922, currently are in the ranks of the Russian Navy.



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4241368.html

Project 22350M "Super Gorshkov" will go into production as soon as the Severnaya Verf modernization is complete.

The head of the USC also said that after the modernization, Severnaya Verf would start building the updated frigates of the 22350M project. "They will be even more powerful and well armed," Rakhmanov said. "The state contract for the development and construction of the lead ship has been signed."

https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10625791

So all these circulated rumors in the west (and in on this site as well) about the cancelation of "Super Gorshkov" are fake news as usual

I think they said the detailed design would not complete until 2022, which means the earliest they can commission a ship is probably 2027.

The_Observer wrote:Project 22350M "Super Gorshkov" will go into production as soon as the Severnaya Verf modernization is complete.

The head of the USC also said that after the modernization, Severnaya Verf would start building the updated frigates of the 22350M project. "They will be even more powerful and well armed," Rakhmanov said. "The state contract for the development and construction of the lead ship has been signed."

https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10625791

Good news

Hopefully this won't affect standard Gorshkov

They need those ASAP

They say they want to build 15 in total so I assume 10 standards and 5 M's. At that point they may then go with Leider or decide that building large ships vs distrbuted force vai smaller ships is the way to go.

mnztr wrote:They say they want to build 15 in total so I assume 10 standards and 5 M's. At that point they may then go with Leider or decide that building large ships vs distrbuted force vai smaller ships is the way to go.

15 is old number from over a decade ago

Lider is redundant now, they need numbers

Parallel production of Gorshkovs and Super-Gorshkovs is the way to go

Info on 22350M below...

"Severnaya Verf" intends to commission five ships and vessels in the near future

The head of the enterprise Igor Orlov also said that Severnaya Verf will receive a new boathouse for the construction of ships in the ocean zone in 2022

MOSCOW, February 5. / TASS /. Severnaya Verf (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) will deliver five ships and vessels to customers in the near future. Director General of the enterprise Igor Orlov told TASS about it.

“In 2020, we handed over to the Ministry of Defense two ships. Ahead are three“ fishermen ”(fishing vessels - approx. TASS), two warships,” he clarified, answering a question about the enterprise's delivery plans for the near future.

Under the state defense order, Severnaya Verf builds, in particular, frigates of Project 22350 and a modernized project under this number, as well as corvettes of Project 20385.

To date, the Russian Navy has transferred two Project 22350 frigates - Admiral Gorshkov and Admiral Kasatonov. Four more are under construction, including two according to the modernized design.

Severnaya Verf has built a Project 20385 corvette Gremyashchiy. Another ship of this project is under construction.

New boathouse

Orlov said that Severnaya Verf will receive a new boathouse for the construction of ships in the ocean zone in 2022.

"It is planned to complete construction in 2021, delivery - in 2022," he said.

According to him, work on the construction of the new boathouse is proceeding according to the schedule. Two slipways with a width of more than 50 m and a length of 240 m will be built. Any ships and vessels for the construction of which will be tasked by the United Shipbuilding Corporation and the customer will be built.

It is assumed that the new boathouse will be used for the construction of Project 22350M frigates.

Head frigate of project 22350M

According to Orlov, the date for laying the lead frigate of Project 22350M has not yet been set at Severnaya Verf.

"The date for laying the lead frigate has not yet been established. The Northern Design Bureau in St. Petersburg is developing a promising new ship for the far sea zone," he said.

The day before, the General Director of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov said that after the modernization, Severnaya Verf would start building the modernized frigates of Project 22350M. According to him, they will be even more powerful and well armed. The state contract for the development and construction of the lead ship has been signed, he added.

According to unconfirmed official reports, Project 22350M frigates will be capable of carrying 8 universal shipborne firing complexes, that is, 64 Caliber-NK and / or Onyx missiles, and in the future - hypersonic Zircons.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10633515

Why do they need so many ships? Russia does not need to rule the waves.

64 cruise missile tubes?

That is a lot and makes Lider project officially redundant

I just wish they would release image already...

PapaDragon wrote:15 is old number from over a decade ago

Lider is redundant now, they need numbers

Parallel production of Gorshkovs and Super-Gorshkovs is the way to go  

See here about modernization at Severnaya Verf:

https://www.russiadefence.net/t7668p675-russian-naval-shipbuilding-industry-news#312102

The new boathouse will allow to produce both classes at the same time, the Liders can be built at the Baltic Shipyard like the Orlans, they have one slipway of 350 m and another measuring 250 m and they are now producing the nuclear 22220.

I assume the 22350 and 22350M will be kept in production for a long time, they will be the backbone of the fleet.

mnztr wrote:Why do they need so many ships? Russia does not need to rule the waves.

Hunting enemy subs and running interference for their own subs, same as always

PapaDragon wrote:
64 cruise missile tubes?

That is a lot and makes Lider project officially redundant  

I just wish they would release image already...

It would be redundant if they had 80x 22350M and a huge network of naval bases like the USN. In absence of such monumental amount of resources, a token amount (6 - 8 ) long endurance nuclear propelled destroyers / cruisers with very deep magazines is fully justified for extended deployments far from Russia. It is not about megalomania, is about having the right tools for the job.

8 Liders hardly equals 80 Super Gorshkovs, they would amount to 12 Super Gorshkovs at best

And where far away from Russia would they need deploy? And for what reason?

Slava-class cruisers have no problems reaching South Africa, if they can handle that with some tankers then there's no reason to fiddle with handful of Liders

Russian Navy needs numbers right now and several nuclear vessels is not the solution to this problem