Trollkin Imbecile No 1 wrote:Most aerodynamic pos I have ever seen. Simply incredible!
Yup. Couldn't agree more.
Sorry George1... I just had to get that one outta my system. I'll be good now... honest....
Trollkin Imbecile No 1 wrote:Most aerodynamic pos I have ever seen. Simply incredible!
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Aww man, I always miss the good stuff. Didn't get to read any of that troll's drivel before he got deletedGarryB wrote:Deleted his account and deleted his posts... shall we continue?
Obviously someone not happy about losing at chess...
Checkmate was clearly too much but enough said...
GarryB wrote:Checkmate was clearly too much but enough said...
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Arrow wrote:Su 57 during Army 2021.
https://youtu.be/DGyRn5biuB4
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limb wrote:Given the F-35s limited maneuverability and energy retention, I would guess the R-37M will be the staple BVR weapon for the Su-57 not only against large aircraft, but stealth fighters too.
Mir wrote:True stealth fighters can only be detected at much shorter ranges so the R-77's and other medium to short range missiles would deal with those fighters.
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LMFS wrote:Mir wrote:True stealth fighters can only be detected at much shorter ranges so the R-77's and other medium to short range missiles would deal with those fighters.
Even when air battles do not really happen at many hundreds of km and R-77 seems a valid weapon indeed, currently there is no such thing as "true stealth fighters"
https://ria.ru/20210826/anoshko-1747223211.html
Mir wrote:Yes you're right a "true stealth fighter" would be invisible - even to the naked eye!
Anyway what I meant is that "true stealth" planes have a much reduces RCS so it will only be visible on the radar at at fairly short range. Using a R-37M would be a waist of it's true capabilities - but if that is the only missile you have left - fire away!
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Mir wrote:Hehehe yes it seems that sometimes it is not to easy to get a straight answer - as one would have expected!
The short and simple answer for me would be why would they want to reveal the insides of a prototype? Early prototypes might not even have all the goodies to properly operate certain things that are not required for that particular development process. They certainly won't do it for the sake of a good snap shop for eager spotters around an airfield. You will most likely only see that kind of detail once the aircraft is in service. My 2 cents worth.
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It's okay, Russia will pay them back by exporting the Su-57 to them, after China gets their shipment.Gomig-21 wrote:Here, with the belly bays of the Su-57, if they're interested in exporting the aircraft which they've eluded to on many occasions, why not show the damn thing firing away ay aerial targets and get these countries revved up to want to put orders. For what India did to "stain" the image of the Su-57 (and I don't care what some say that they don't think it matters what India said about the FGFA), because guess what, it did more damage to the bird's reputation than anything else and certainly anything positive. So PR wise, the people running the Su-57 program unless they don't care about exporting it, are not doing it any good service to be perfectly honest with you and this is just my opinion. No trolling or any of that shit!
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Gomig-21 wrote:Mir wrote:Hehehe yes it seems that sometimes it is not to easy to get a straight answer - as one would have expected!
The short and simple answer for me would be why would they want to reveal the insides of a prototype? Early prototypes might not even have all the goodies to properly operate certain things that are not required for that particular development process. They certainly won't do it for the sake of a good snap shop for eager spotters around an airfield. You will most likely only see that kind of detail once the aircraft is in service. My 2 cents worth.
Well, so far you're the only one who offered an answer to my question which means only 2 things, either what you say is what it is or none of the other fellows know or care to share their opinion which is also perfectly fine.
However, to get back to your point, aren't they way passed the prototype stage now and in fact the assembly stage? Assembly stage means that everything is all set and ready to go with the exception of removable items that can be replaced with upgradable ones just as engines, radars and other little stuff.
I doubt they plan of changing anything in the way they'll be firing any missile or dropping any laser or GPS guided ground munition out of the belly bays, just my opinion.
It reminds me of the days the USSR kept the records of their shattering Mach speeds for the MiG-21, the 23 and especially the 25 because of legitimate reasons. They obviously didn't want the west to know how fast these things can intercept an attack of any kind at anytime. Turns out the records went to aircraft like the F-4 Phantom II and the F-15 Eagle etc. but I'm sure the USSR was thinking who gives a rat's ass and rightfully so.
Here, with the belly bays of the Su-57, if they're interested in exporting the aircraft which they've eluded to on many occasions, why not show the damn thing firing away ay aerial targets and get these countries revved up to want to put orders. For what India did to "stain" the image of the Su-57 (and I don't care what some say that they don't think it matters what India said about the FGFA), because guess what, it did more damage to the bird's reputation than anything else and certainly anything positive. So PR wise, the people running the Su-57 program unless they don't care about exporting it, are not doing it any good service to be perfectly honest with you and this is just my opinion. No trolling or any of that shit!
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x_54_u43 wrote:Gomig-21 wrote:Mir wrote:Hehehe yes it seems that sometimes it is not to easy to get a straight answer - as one would have expected!
The short and simple answer for me would be why would they want to reveal the insides of a prototype? Early prototypes might not even have all the goodies to properly operate certain things that are not required for that particular development process. They certainly won't do it for the sake of a good snap shop for eager spotters around an airfield. You will most likely only see that kind of detail once the aircraft is in service. My 2 cents worth.
Well, so far you're the only one who offered an answer to my question which means only 2 things, either what you say is what it is or none of the other fellows know or care to share their opinion which is also perfectly fine.
However, to get back to your point, aren't they way passed the prototype stage now and in fact the assembly stage? Assembly stage means that everything is all set and ready to go with the exception of removable items that can be replaced with upgradable ones just as engines, radars and other little stuff.
I doubt they plan of changing anything in the way they'll be firing any missile or dropping any laser or GPS guided ground munition out of the belly bays, just my opinion.
It reminds me of the days the USSR kept the records of their shattering Mach speeds for the MiG-21, the 23 and especially the 25 because of legitimate reasons. They obviously didn't want the west to know how fast these things can intercept an attack of any kind at anytime. Turns out the records went to aircraft like the F-4 Phantom II and the F-15 Eagle etc. but I'm sure the USSR was thinking who gives a rat's ass and rightfully so.
Here, with the belly bays of the Su-57, if they're interested in exporting the aircraft which they've eluded to on many occasions, why not show the damn thing firing away ay aerial targets and get these countries revved up to want to put orders. For what India did to "stain" the image of the Su-57 (and I don't care what some say that they don't think it matters what India said about the FGFA), because guess what, it did more damage to the bird's reputation than anything else and certainly anything positive. So PR wise, the people running the Su-57 program unless they don't care about exporting it, are not doing it any good service to be perfectly honest with you and this is just my opinion. No trolling or any of that shit!
People who actually make decisions for purchasing foreign fighters for their military do not give a **** what shitty Indian tabloids run by utter morons have to say about the Su-57, and will be more informed by sending their own delegations to Russia to actually gain information on performance and such.
I can also guarantee you that when Su-57's get into a solid production rate and inclusion into the RuAF, you will see plenty of interest in the plane. After all, the main rule for export is that no one buys platforms that aren't in service with the host country, though there are very few exceptions.
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