bitcointrader70 wrote:More sanctions on Russia today. Putin is in a very tough bind. If he goes into Ukraine Russia loses Nordstream 2. If he sits back and does nothing NATO moves into Ukraine while Russia slowly bleeds and becomes weaker and weaker with population decline. Putin needs to act decisively. Have nuclear armed forces on full alert to be ready for US NATO And use tactical nukes to send Ukraine back to the fucking Stone Age. It’s either WW3 or Russia slowly perishes into nothing. The delusional Russia fanboys on this forum are in denial/hysteria. Russia is a dying country with a few moments of technological brilliance. Losing Ukraine is a no go.
bitcointrader70 wrote:COPE COPE COPE Russia is stagnating and declining. Everything that’s happened since 2008 has been Russia losing. Lost Libya. Had to step in to save Syria. Georgia was Russia’s only win.
Most of you are foreigners on here and it’s easy to talk shit and say Russia will own this and that. But I am from Russia and life for poor and working class people in Russia sucks major ass and it’s not getting much better.
Where is, or was, you propeeska? Quick now, answer before you have time to look up what it is I want.
bitcointrader70 wrote:COPE COPE COPE Russia is stagnating and declining. Everything that’s happened since 2008 has been Russia losing. Lost Libya. Had to step in to save Syria. Georgia was Russia’s only win.
Most of you are foreigners on here and it’s easy to talk shit and say Russia will own this and that. But I am from Russia and life for poor and working class people in Russia sucks major ass and it’s not getting much better.
Where is, or was, you propeeska? Quick now, answer before you have time to look up what it is I want.
Yeah let me tell some stranger on the internet where I live and my address.
bitcointrader70 wrote:COPE COPE COPE Russia is stagnating and declining. Everything that’s happened since 2008 has been Russia losing. Lost Libya. Had to step in to save Syria. Georgia was Russia’s only win.
Most of you are foreigners on here and it’s easy to talk shit and say Russia will own this and that. But I am from Russia and life for poor and working class people in Russia sucks major ass and it’s not getting much better.
Where is, or was, you propeeska? Quick now, answer before you have time to look up what it is I want.
Yeah let me tell some stranger on the internet where I live and my address.
In other words, you are lying. Good to know.
The two people calling you out also live in Russia. So it gives impression you do not and are just a troll account.
bitcointrader70 wrote:COPE COPE COPE Russia is stagnating and declining. Everything that’s happened since 2008 has been Russia losing. Lost Libya. Had to step in to save Syria. Georgia was Russia’s only win.
Most of you are foreigners on here and it’s easy to talk shit and say Russia will own this and that. But I am from Russia and life for poor and working class people in Russia sucks major ass and it’s not getting much better.
Where is, or was, you propeeska? Quick now, answer before you have time to look up what it is I want.
Yeah let me tell some stranger on the internet where I live and my address.
I didn't ask for your address, I asked for location of your propeeska. Up yours, me lad, mine is Sevastopol, the city, not gorod.
bitcointrader70 wrote:COPE COPE COPE Russia is stagnating and declining. Everything that’s happened since 2008 has been Russia losing. Lost Libya. Had to step in to save Syria. Georgia was Russia’s only win.
Most of you are foreigners on here and it’s easy to talk shit and say Russia will own this and that. But I am from Russia and life for poor and working class people in Russia sucks major ass and it’s not getting much better.
Where is, or was, you propeeska? Quick now, answer before you have time to look up what it is I want.
Yeah let me tell some stranger on the internet where I live and my address.
In other words, you are lying. Good to know.
The two people calling you out also live in Russia. So it gives impression you do not and are just a troll account.
I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
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bitcointrader70 wrote: I’m a working class person who learned technical analysis and correctly invested my money. Russia is a shit hole because putins kleptocracy does nothing but steal and steal and steal. It’s better than the 90s no doubt about that. But 70% of the money still ends up in some oligarchs bank account as opposed to 90% like the yeltsin days. If we could get that down to about 50% maybe we will get somewhere. You foreigners talk a big game but try being a poor person in Russia and praising Putin.
Yeah, okay
So you're now a Navalny hamster who made his money out of speculating on big money flows.. said big money flows of course represent the privately owned labour of honest working class people like you used to be and the layers upon layers of other gamblers that have speculated on them prior to yourself. I wouldn't call you a degenerate, that would be going too far. But you're not adding to society here, precisely. Well, not for me to moralize either way.
Let's not exaggerate. It's more like 30% now. You can make honest money these days and contracts do get executed, things do get built, even if 'extra costs' take their toll.
Listen bud, let me make this clear. You're regurgitating the same Yeltsin-era slogans, then repeated by Nemtsov, Navalny, etc... you're not original, and you're not discovering America for anyone here. I spend a lot of my posts going into our corrupt system for anyone who cares to listen.
But repeating these slogans is not enough, and what's more they've been hijacked since 30 years ago to bring corrupt oligarchs into power and now again in 2014 to reinstate oligarch rule in the Ukraine.
What you need to do is think of some solutions. But behind these cheap one-liners you have none; only that the 'country is declining and finished' and 'nuke everything'. And that's why the opposition is despised in Russia. You guys are obsessed with singing the same old, same old song and when asked to elaborate, at best devolve into fatalistic schizophrenia. Point is - get lost.
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COPE COPE COPE Russia is stagnating and declining. Everything that’s happened since 2008 has been Russia losing. Lost Libya. Had to step in to save Syria. Georgia was Russia’s only win.
Most of you are foreigners on here and it’s easy to talk shit and say Russia will own this and that. But I am from Russia and life for poor and working class people in Russia sucks major ass and it’s not getting much better.
Breaking news, life sucks all over the world. More breaking news for you, you are not entitled to talk in name of "the Russians" here, much less in the name of the vast majority which are pushing forward instead of whining. Thanks.
MODS: I think you should consider what is going on in the board as of late with these ridiculous emo-marxists spamming all the threads
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bitcointrader70 wrote:"] WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
And how much time and money is needed to buy an apartment in the west (e.g USA, Germany, or similar)? Even people with decent job above the average have to take mortgages for 20 to 30 years, as a normal apartment for a family with 2 kids can cost several hundreds thousands (euro or dollars, depending on where you live). So yeah, wages are better in the west, but cost of living is not and cost of the apartments is crazy...
By the way, if you were lurking for ten years in the forum you should know that you need first to post an introduction before posting in other threads.
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bitcointrader70 wrote:COPE COPE COPE Russia is stagnating and declining. Everything that’s happened since 2008 has been Russia losing. Lost Libya. Had to step in to save Syria. Georgia was Russia’s only win.
Most of you are foreigners on here and it’s easy to talk shit and say Russia will own this and that. But I am from Russia and life for poor and working class people in Russia sucks major ass and it’s not getting much better.
Where is, or was, you propeeska? Quick now, answer before you have time to look up what it is I want.
Yeah let me tell some stranger on the internet where I live and my address.
In other words, you are lying. Good to know.
The two people calling you out also live in Russia. So it gives impression you do not and are just a troll account.
I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
So why not answer his questions and prove to us you are radian? The other two you reply to live in Russia. And I'm lucky to have family there. Same with KVS.
bitcointrader70 wrote:I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
I didn't accuse you of anything, 'thou dost protest too much' to quote The Baird. 'I showed you mine, now you show me yours'. You want eyes on of me? Pull up Victory Day Parade vids of Sevastopol, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 and in a month this year's parade. First Willis behind the last of Army Teknika. Notice the shoulder boards, me lad.
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bitcointrader70 wrote:"] WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
And how much time and money is needed to buy an apartment in the west (e.g USA, Germany, or similar)? Even people with decent job above the average have to take mortgages for 20 to 30 years, as a normal apartment for a family with 2 kids can cost several hundreds thousands (euro or dollars, depending on where you live). So yeah, wages are better in the west, but cost of living is not and cost of the apartments is crazy...
By the way, if you were lurking for ten years in the forum you should know that you need first to post an introduction before posting in other threads.
I'll be blunt.
I and my wife make above average income in Canada - combines roughly $120,000 a year. We have a 25 year mortgage with the bank. With that, vehicle, school fees, children, their fees, etc we barely make enough. I am also in the Bitcoin market as our dear dumbass friend (I'm in mining ETH). I use it as an investment besides my stocks.
This guy has no idea what he speaks. He can be a "lurker" for however long he wants. He decided to just join now and make bold claims is rather ridiculous and obvious he is full of shit.
If any of you don't think all of this hasn't been a rather coordinated assault ever since the "Killer" comments and that it won't end with a final charge on the Donbass.... chef kiss...
All of it is theater.... misdirection...feeling out and gaming outcomes.
"but but... the americans are running..."
"cooler heads are prevailing..."
"...they talking..."
Just glad my kin hasn't been as naive as Russians since 1959.
Folks still don't get it.
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bitcointrader70 wrote: I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
10 years is a steal. Neoliberals in any Western country are socially engineering their societies in such a way that millenials will never ever own anything - besides several devices to keep them hooked on groid-ball, Netflix and free porn of course
A two-earner family with University degrees is looking at a 30 years mortgage. Oftentimes they need to pay their student debt before even getting considered by banks meaning that their family planning is postponed well into their 30s
Best you can do these days is save whatever meagre residu the State leaves for you and bail out to a place where the euro/dólar goes factor 5 further - meaning that thereby you'll drive the locals in those places out of the market as well
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bitcointrader70 wrote: I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
10 years is a steal. Neoliberals in any Western country are socially engineering their societies in such a way that millenials will never ever own anything - besides several devices to keep them hooked on groid-ball, Netflix and free porn of course
A two-earner family with University degrees is looking at a 30 years mortgage. Oftentimes they need to pay their student debt before even getting considered by banks meaning that their family planning is postponed well into their 30s
Best you can do these days is save whatever meagre residu the State leaves for you and bail out to a place where the euro/dólar goes factor 5 further - meaning that thereby you'll drive the locals in those places out of the market as well
flamming_python wrote:The Ukraine is no 'staging ground'
Staging ground for what? For showing Russian citizens what a cesspool they can become by adopting ethno-nationalism and becoming a NATO/EU client state? Not to mention showing the people of Belarus and other countries. Well on that ground it's actually serving Russia well just as it is.
Ukraine would be valuable for the West if they managed to turn it into a success story. They didn't. Now it's just a deadweight and Russia should be glad that the West is stuck with it.
I don't think you understand much about the West (especially the EU), its neoliberal economics, or its strategic aims.
Your assumption is that for Ukraine to be a success story for the West, the country itself must be a success. That is wrong. The West cares nothing about Ukraine, its people, or its economic development.
Firstly and most crucially, Ukraine is a source of cheap labor, of which there is a critical shortage in western EU states. Like the exodus 3 million Poles into western Europe, free movement with Ukraine will be a massive economic boon to the EU. And like Poles, Ukrainians are white Christians and as such are less politically contentious than brown and black Muslims. 5 million Ukrainians in western Europe is like a Soros fantasy.
Secondly, Ukraine is no kind of money pit for the West. It's more like a casino, and it's one of the easiest ways for Western politicians to legally launder money. Tax citizens -> "spend" in Ukraine -> receive back as bribes, gifts, etc. from sycophant Ukrainian politicians (see Hunter Biden scandal, for example). If the locals keep a bit for themselves, no biggie. And all the aid they give will eventually end up either mostly in their own pockets, or will go to subsidizing domestic industries.
Depopulated, de-industrialized, major parts of its economy controlled by Western investors, Ukraine may achieve some kind of level of development 30-40 years down the road like Poland. The idea that the West wants to turn Ukraine into a success to sway the people the opinions of the Russian people is propaganda from Western institutions and has nothing to do with their real intentions.
bitcointrader70 wrote: I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
10 years is a steal. Neoliberals in any Western country are socially engineering their societies in such a way that millenials will never ever own anything - besides several devices to keep them hooked on groid-ball, Netflix and free porn of course
A two-earner family with University degrees is looking at a 30 years mortgage. Oftentimes they need to pay their student debt before even getting considered by banks meaning that their family planning is postponed well into their 30s
Best you can do these days is save whatever meagre residu the State leaves for you and bail out to a place where the euro/dólar goes factor 5 further - meaning that thereby you'll drive the locals in those places out of the market as well
Right on brother. That’s why i work in the US and plan to live in Russia permanently soon.
bitcointrader70 wrote: I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
10 years is a steal. Neoliberals in any Western country are socially engineering their societies in such a way that millenials will never ever own anything - besides several devices to keep them hooked on groid-ball, Netflix and free porn of course
A two-earner family with University degrees is looking at a 30 years mortgage. Oftentimes they need to pay their student debt before even getting considered by banks meaning that their family planning is postponed well into their 30s
Best you can do these days is save whatever meagre residu the State leaves for you and bail out to a place where the euro/dólar goes factor 5 further - meaning that thereby you'll drive the locals in those places out of the market as well
Right on brother. That’s why i work in the US and plan to live in Russia permanently soon.
bitcointrader70 wrote: I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
10 years is a steal. Neoliberals in any Western country are socially engineering their societies in such a way that millenials will never ever own anything - besides several devices to keep them hooked on groid-ball, Netflix and free porn of course
A two-earner family with University degrees is looking at a 30 years mortgage. Oftentimes they need to pay their student debt before even getting considered by banks meaning that their family planning is postponed well into their 30s
Best you can do these days is save whatever meagre residu the State leaves for you and bail out to a place where the euro/dólar goes factor 5 further - meaning that thereby you'll drive the locals in those places out of the market as well
Right on brother. That’s why i work in the US and plan to live in Russia permanently soon.
So you're another foreign fanboy on this site
Got it
Imagine being called a fanboy when all you want is for middle class and working class people in Russia to have a better standard of living. There is a reason Russia experiences and continues to experience a big brain drain of young intelligent hard working people.
bitcointrader70 wrote: I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
10 years is a steal. Neoliberals in any Western country are socially engineering their societies in such a way that millenials will never ever own anything - besides several devices to keep them hooked on groid-ball, Netflix and free porn of course
A two-earner family with University degrees is looking at a 30 years mortgage. Oftentimes they need to pay their student debt before even getting considered by banks meaning that their family planning is postponed well into their 30s
Best you can do these days is save whatever meagre residu the State leaves for you and bail out to a place where the euro/dólar goes factor 5 further - meaning that thereby you'll drive the locals in those places out of the market as well
Right on brother. That’s why i work in the US and plan to live in Russia permanently soon.
So you're another foreign fanboy on this site
Got it
Imagine being called a fanboy when all you want is for middle class and working class people in Russia to have a better standard of living. There is a reason Russia experiences and continues to experience a big brain drain of young intelligent hard working people.
bitcointrader70 wrote: I’ve been lurking this forum for almost a decade and you people always do this. Anytime someone talks about Russia especially if they are from there you claim they are a shill or a liar or some degenerate Russian liberal. WOrking class wages in Russia are SHIT and that’s why everyone tried to either go into IT or finance or be a degenerate gambler/daytrader. It takes you 10 years of working class labor to save up $30,000 USd worth to buy an apartment.
10 years is a steal. Neoliberals in any Western country are socially engineering their societies in such a way that millenials will never ever own anything - besides several devices to keep them hooked on groid-ball, Netflix and free porn of course
A two-earner family with University degrees is looking at a 30 years mortgage. Oftentimes they need to pay their student debt before even getting considered by banks meaning that their family planning is postponed well into their 30s
Best you can do these days is save whatever meagre residu the State leaves for you and bail out to a place where the euro/dólar goes factor 5 further - meaning that thereby you'll drive the locals in those places out of the market as well
Right on brother. That’s why i work in the US and plan to live in Russia permanently soon.
So you're another foreign fanboy on this site
Got it
Imagine being called a fanboy when all you want is for middle class and working class people in Russia to have a better standard of living. There is a reason Russia experiences and continues to experience a big brain drain of young intelligent hard working people.
A few tactical nukes ought to solve it
Tactical nukes won’t solve it. But a few tactical nukes in the right place will change the balance of power in the world in Russia favor. If the status quo remains the same Russia is doomed. Western economic warfare. Crony capitalism. Brain drain. Nato moving east. Sanctions. All of it is slowly draining Russia down. Color revolutions and coups on Russia’s borders. Either use your advantage nukes with hypersonic weapons or submit in the long term.
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