The Situation in the Ukraine. #29

flamming_python wrote:I think the thread could use some more light-hearted content

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Spiderman of Vinnitsa
https://twitter.com/SergUA63/status/1383337800360075264?s=20

George1 wrote:Canada suspends its military mission in Ukraine indefinitely. According to the Ministry of Defense of this North American country, the reason is the outbreak of coronavirus infection among Canadian instructors in Ukraine. \

https://en.topwar.ru/182082-kanada-priostanovila-voennuju-missiju-po-obucheniju-ukrainskih-voennyh.html

George1 wrote:Kiev requested an expansion of the American military presence in Ukraine

https://en.topwar.ru/182058-kiev-zaprosil-rasshirenija-amerikanskogo-voennogo-prisutstvija-na-ukraine.html

flamming_python wrote:

gbu48098 wrote:

auslander wrote:

gbu48098 wrote: No need to state the default or implied. You asked and I provided, I wasn't going to do an airstrike as a follow up

Good for you. Congratulations, you hold the record for the shortest time for the trip to 'ignore', joining the other two I have on the vaunted plateau.

Don't give a crap, who cares whether you are new or here for centuries....if I dish out then you do the same, in this case you were irrational, you asked details and I provided and then you pulled your ego ranking like it means a damn

Are you that bitcoin guy again?

GarryB wrote:It is amusing the picture he paints of Russia... wonder what sort of picture he would paint of the UK... I mean once a great sea faring super power, and now it goes to Afghanistan to fight because the US tells it to, and now the US tells it to leave so it will leave...

I believe the term is whipped.

More so in the sense that the UK gets absolutely no benefit at all from going there and risking the lives and the sanity of their young men and women... the ones that live see things most people never see, and they might survive it but it will effect them...

The amusing thing is that a lot of world support for Russia simply comes from their ability to say no to the US and the EU... and by inference the UK too.

Many a country has been crushed and burned for such heresy as to go against the west.

The Irony of the Brits thinking Russians are poor and backward is that most Russians really don't think of Brits at all.

All countries have oligarchs and they are necessary evil,

Well Putin seems to show that the rich, if kept out of politics can be tolerable.... they will always be there of course, but if any had any control Putin would be folding to the west to get investment and to make some cheap dollars while the country went to hell in a hand basket.

Putin does not seem to be tied down by the rich and powerful, and I think in the longer term that actually serves the rich better because getting cut off from western technology or cheap imports forces Russia to develop its own technology, which it can then export and exploit for its own uses.

Big tech is million times worse than Russian oligarchs back then at the moment....these big ones destroy anything they touch and nothing is sacred to them.

Big tech is just an example of a global 1%er that has no ties to any country... their company will be registered in the country that is the current tax whore... the lowest rates to attract the biggest rats and snakes.

Ultimately they are like the ultra rich and don't care about anyone but themselves.

ofcourse Putin waited till 2014 and made mistakes in Ukraine and Crimea was the wager and redline for Russians to up the anti against West.

Putin made the best of a bad situation he had little control over.

When the west is ruthless enough to murder people with hired snipers to whip the people up into a frenzy, what is Russia supposed to do in response?

Invade?

Or do exactly what they did... rescue Crimea and leave the Ukraine for Ukraine to sort out.

Only complaint I have against Russians is they take loses and accept punishment and apologies too easily....Turkey Su-24, Azerbaijan MI heli, Israel Il-20 and so on.

Would lashing out like a child have brought back the dead? They evaluated the situation and made changes to prevent repeats. Adult and sensible I would think.

I would expect Russia shooting down a Turkish F-16 would get the US and HATO behind them... by not doing that the position of Turkey in HATO is what it is... and Russia even sold a few billion dollars worth of S-400 missiles to them that torpedoed their F-35 deal with the US... a deal that included Turkey making wings for the aircraft.

Sounds like Russia is a country that can make deals and understands diplomacy.... the west is full of children who have tantrums and bomb and regime change to get their way. How did that work out in Libya... or Yemen or Syria or even Afghanistan or Iraq. How much respect is there for the US and the west... I don't mean fear... like you would fear a 5 year old kid with a loaded revolver, I mean respect...

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Spiderman of Vinnitsa

You can laugh, but it is an ideal solution to being a fall down drunk... I bet he never falls down when he is drinking...

Probably gets to loose change on the ground first too.

PapaDragon wrote:
All three original Buyan-class gunboats and Gepard-class frigate from Caspian Fleet arrived in the Black Sea

Tweet: Ships of the Caspian Flotilla at the basing point.

PapaDragon wrote:
All three original Buyan-class gunboats and Gepard-class frigate from Caspian Fleet arrived in the Black Sea
Not correct. They haven't made the track just yet. Russia MOD tweet was widely misinterpreted...and I'm sure they didn't mind that it was misinterpreted to mean that the ships were already in the Black Sea.
Russian MOD tweet https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1383737196281139200?s=20

Tweet: Ships of the Caspian Flotilla at the basing point.

Basing point is in Dagestan - Kaspiysk to be exact.
They moved 15 small landing crafts and artillery boats to the Black Sea. However, Caspian "big guns" stayed put....the Tarantul, Gepards, and Buyan(M)s are still in the Caspian. No way all those ships make their way across the Kerch bridge without getting noticed.

par far wrote:



These assholes can't even stop Muslims from raping their women and kids and here they are thinking they can take on Russia.

par far wrote:



These assholes can't even stop Muslims from raping their women and kids and here they are thinking they can take on Russia.

kvs wrote:The scale of the grooming gangs is not some minor crime level.   It is a scandal of the first order.   Everything
in the west is always hunky dory and in Russia the sky is falling.   Tiresome, delusional blather.

nero wrote:Just a fyi, neither the Russians nor the DNR/LNR think the escalation is over.

Armour and other motorized vehicles are still on the move. Various re-deployments of aviation regiments have been reported (it is near impossible to confirm w/o sat photos though)...

PapaDragon wrote:

nero wrote:Just a fyi, neither the Russians nor the DNR/LNR think the escalation is over.

Armour and other motorized vehicles are still on the move. Various re-deployments of aviation regiments have been reported (it is near impossible to confirm w/o sat photos though)...

Armor and troops will not be doing anything, they are being moved to send a message

If 404s try something for real we will just have VKS going on a rampage for a week or two and erase everything with Ukrainian flag on it after which NAF will move forward to take more territory

Should they run into something that tries to resist VKS will just rearrange landscape on that location and NAF will just keep moving until told to stop

Actual Russian Army will not be going across the line, no need for that

PapaDragon wrote:

nero wrote:
If 404s try something for real we will just have VKS going on a rampage for a week or two and erase everything with Ukrainian flag on it after which NAF will move forward to take more territory

I don't know, hard to guess Putin as he tends to surprise but who surprised me more was Medvedyev with instant reaction in Georgia.....guy had balls but made mistake in Libya which is turning into a blessing now.

flamming_python wrote:What's clear though is that what's going on is a game

No-one actually wants full-scale war in the Ukraine.

What would the objective of Russia be by invading eastern Ukraine? Absolutely none.

Russia continues to concentrate its forces in preparation of an invasion.

While Kiev continues to concentrate its forces in preparation of an invasion of the Donbass. Note that they're not concentrating their troops on defensive lines anywhere in the country to defend against Russia.

It's a matter of who blinks first. If Kiev folds, and starts to redeploy its forces to meet the threat of invasion, there can be no threat of invading the Donbass. Russia will have won, and all it would have to do is keep its troops in their positions for another few months until Nord Stream 2 is finished.

For now though, Kiev is not yielding, it wants to believe that Moscow will not follow through on its threat.