The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

Ok, well if those missiles aren't nuclear, then it's safe to know that their missiles aren't really a threat then.

I read on twitter a couple of days ago of reports that Ukraine's president had offered Russia to let them transit their oil through Ukraine at 50% the regular price. Couldn't find a proper article to confirm, but if true its showing how desperate he is getting after all the anti-Russia retoric.

VARGR198 wrote:I read on twitter a couple of days ago of reports that Ukraine's president had offered Russia to let them transit their oil through Ukraine at 50% the regular price. Couldn't find a proper article to confirm, but if true its showing how desperate he is getting after all the anti-Russia retoric.

I believe that this is the article, from kommersant.ru (in Russian):

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5049144?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

Below is the link to yandex-translated kommersant article:

Zelensky offered Gazprom a 50% discount on transit over the contract

lyle6 wrote:>And our operational-tactical missiles will be able to reach Moscow.
Absolutely true. Kubinka could always use some more trophies on display...

While Ukraine does have a point that they can cause massive damage with their tactical missiles, and it is something Russia will have to take into consideration. Missiles from Yemen has proven to be extremely effective. So in this regard, Russia will have to take extra precaution by adding in more BUK, TOR, PANTSIR and S-whatever to all key structures and formations to protect from Ukrainian missiles.

But it will be safe to bet that majority of Ukraines missiles will not work very well. Poor accuracy and probably a ton of duds, also being rather basic enough which gives it easy pickings for Russian AD systems.

Any missile attack on Moscow is (likely) going to be considered nuclear and appropriately responded to.

VARGR198 wrote:I read on twitter a couple of days ago of reports that Ukraine's president had offered Russia to let them transit their oil

Gas not oil you meant to say.

The transit of oil through Ukraine is never mentioned. There is no alternative to that pipeline, leaving only tankers, to ship that oil into Europe.

Are you really discussing the ability of Ukropistan to strike Moscow?

You don't have anything more effective to do, like scratching your arses, or opening a beer or something?

JohninMK wrote:

The Eurasianist
@Russ_Warrior
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20 Oct
#NATO is already quietly building bases in #Ukraine.
Military analyst Viktor Baranets identified 9 places that permanently host US and British militaries.
https://kp.ru/daily/28345/44

Instead of writing "letters of complaint", Russia needs to fight fire with fire.
An equal response and raising it.
Spark a coup in Mexico and 10 Russian bases inside its borders.
Blockade the Ukraine and remove the illegal Washington junta that infests the region.

In the Western/Southern half, the population is on average staunchly pro Russian.
The "middle quarter" is currently hohol/Nazi dominated but is dim enough to go along with anything if enough guns/money is shown.
The Western 1/4 of the population is simply controlled by the Nazi filth. Basically they achieved electoral majority by genocide of Russians and Jews. Accordingly, they do not deserve to control those lands, regardless of their electoral mix.

We keep hearing about "Putin's long game". But its looking like a "VERY long game"... if that.
Its 13 yrs since Sakashvili got a slap in Georgia and that place still isn't really leaning towards Russia.

This is not a game.  Putin doesn't care about Ukraine.  He does not need it for anything. There is often a perception that Russia needs the former USSR republics. This is bullshit. It would only be a burden for them

Arrow wrote:This is not a game.  Putin doesn't care about Ukraine.  He does not need it for anything. There is often a perception that Russia needs the former USSR republics.  This is bullshit.  It would only be a burden for them

But at least half of the Ukraine is part of the Russian World. I would say substantially more.

If America sent tanks into St P burg and the people didn't fight back on their own would you say "oh Russia doesn't need St Pburg"?

In around 2000 it was said that US attempts to take over the Ukraine would mean WW3. Russian govt spokesmen said that.
So now there is a US installed junta, and you are saying "oh the Ukraine doesn't matter".

THAT is bullshit!

Half of the Ukraine is far more Russian than the 3 hachee Caucus Republics. Yet Russia lost thousands of lives fighting for those holes. Destroying the hohol army would be easy, and Russia would be welcomed with open arms in atleast half of the area.

As things stand, Russia is barely even doing soft power.

Pro RUssian Ukraine is a huge asset for Russia. Putin has said so itself. It has resources, its a buffer vs the West.
And as white Christian people, it allows the Eurasian Union to expand without being Muslim dominated.
The Ukraine is essential to Russia long term.

If America sent tanks into St P burg and the people didn't fight back on their own would you say "oh Russia doesn't need St Pburg"?

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OMG However, there is probably a big difference between St. Petersburg in Russia and Ukraine.  What a comparison.No Ukraine means nothing to Russia, and since 91 it has been anti-Russian all the time. Ukraine is not an asset to Russia.  Putting huge sums into Ukraine, which is anti-Russian and unstable, is a failed country, is the last thing Russia needs.  Stop now with this great myth of Ukraine without which Russia cannot exist.

Arrow wrote:

If America sent tanks into St P burg and the people didn't fight back on their own would you say "oh Russia doesn't need St Pburg"?

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OMG However, there is probably a big difference between St. Petersburg in Russia and Ukraine.  What a comparison.No Ukraine means nothing to Russia, and since 91 it has been anti-Russian all the time. Ukraine is not an asset to Russia.  Putting huge sums into Ukraine, which is anti-Russian and unstable, is a failed country, is the last thing Russia needs.  Stop now with this great myth of Ukraine without which Russia cannot exist.

Currently its around 50:50, according to the usual geography. And it Russia took the fight to the Ukraine it would be 70:30.
Infact its only around 20% that are actually antiRussian - ie the Lvov garbage.
And Kiev is the Mother City of the Rus.
Thats from 900 years before St Pburg stopped being an empty swamp.

Would u have Russia vacate the 3 Caucuses too?

Russia could "exist" without Moscow, Sochi, Vvostok, but why allow it?
Why the **** should Russian people be chased out of Russian lands and leave Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa etc and move to the RF?

Thats not how people of a superpower nationality should be forced to act.
The Russian World is Russia, not Rwanda!

Ukraine bombed the separatist positions with the TB2 drone

Arrow wrote:Ukraine bombed the separatist positions with the TB2 drone

Yeah wtf was that about?

Dunno, but it will probably force DNR/LNR forces to respond.  And Ukraine would be at fault since there is obviously video evidence of them restarting hostilities.

Previously, one of these drones were hacked and forced to land in DNR/LNR territory, a few more may just do the same.

Edit: DNR/LNR hacked and landed a Ukrainian drone, not one of these Turkish drones. My bad.

But at least half of the Ukraine is part of the Russian World. I would say substantially more.

You can say what you like... if the Ukrainian people will stand by while people are burned to death in a building because they want to speak Russian then why would Russia want to incorporate Ukrainian into their language set?

It is the old story of the set up for genocide... we want the land but don't much care for the people... whether it is Germans coveting Russian land, Georgians coveting South Ossetia and Abkhazia, even the Ukraine wanting the Crimea... you can tell it is wrong when you want the land but don't care about the people currently on the land... if they are not your people then it probably isn't your land.

You can fight to take it but you might have to kill them all... so how much is that land actually worth to you.

Russia already has more land than it can fund development on and even if they could take Kiev without firing a shot... which is not likely considering the number of nutters there... it is going to collapse the Russian economy and burn up all their reserves to just start fixing the damn place.

The US and EU broke it... let them fix it... of course they claim everything is fine there so they don't have to spend any money on it of course.

If America sent tanks into St P burg and the people didn't fight back on their own would you say "oh Russia doesn't need St Pburg"?

The difference is that St P burg would destroy those American forces before the rest of Russia could respond.... the rest of Russia would just need to work out what sort of party to have to celebrate.

In around 2000 it was said that US attempts to take over the Ukraine would mean WW3. Russian govt spokesmen said that.
So now there is a US installed junta, and you are saying "oh the Ukraine doesn't matter".

Another 20 years of hate and fear from the Ukrainians and they are not worth much as a prize.... they have become a victim state that is hollow where the leaders are looking for a nice big rich sugar daddy they can sell off the remaining Ukrainian assets for so they can move big money off shore and retire to the French rivera with their families and forget about Russia and the Ukraine... and just work on that tan.

Ukrainian people don't see themselves as being Russian any more, just like African Americans know they can't live the American dream... a dream for most Americans that now is only reality for 1%.

Half of the Ukraine is far more Russian than the 3 hachee Caucus Republics. Yet Russia lost thousands of lives fighting for those holes. Destroying the hohol army would be easy, and Russia would be welcomed with open arms in atleast half of the area.

Welcomed as someone that would come in and spend big money and fix everything and no matter how much is spent they will complain that more could have been done... and how could Russia have let them be fooled like that by the west.

As things stand, Russia is barely even doing soft power.

Russia has spent the last 30 years looking after its own interests and the interests of others where their interests coincide with Russian interests... now is not the time to take on stowaways and ticks.

Pro RUssian Ukraine is a huge asset for Russia. Putin has said so itself.

Pro Russia Ukraine would be.... but it currently does not exist and is mostly anti Russia nazi party of loonies in charge of people who can't be bothered or are too scared to do anything about it.

It has resources, its a buffer vs the West.

Exploiting it for its natural resources would make Russia no different from the EU and US... and it is still a buffer to the West... any token forces the west might base there would be kindling that would be swept aside in any real conflict.

And as white Christian people, it allows the Eurasian Union to expand without being Muslim dominated.

White christian people who don't like Russians and want a separate church that presumably runs on the Ukrainian language...

The Ukraine is essential to Russia long term.

The Ukraine will always be a neighbour, but currently with closed borders and no trade ties by their choice and their preference.

We saw
what real grass roots action was in the case of Crimea. It was not some Russian soldiers in Sevastopol that stopped the
Ukr goon squads brought in by the trainload.

Indeed... if the Crimean people had just sat and watched then Russia would still be renting naval facilities in Sevastopol... the Crimea would have plenty of water and not a lot else.

It is funny how Trotsky and all sorts of other clowns up to the present day have written Russia off as nothing without
Ukraine. What a retarded joke. Russia is vastly better off without this toilet anchor around its neck.

They never say the same about Belarus or the Baltic states or Georgia... a gang that has members that are in the gang against their will is actually a cult... which makes it terribly fragile when members are desperate to leave because any excuse and... well we saw the breakup of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union...

Currently its around 50:50, according to the usual geography. And it Russia took the fight to the Ukraine it would be 70:30.
Infact its only around 20% that are actually antiRussian - ie the Lvov garbage.
And Kiev is the Mother City of the Rus.
Thats from 900 years before St Pburg stopped being an empty swamp.

You only need 5% armed and supported by the west to create an ongoing insurrection that bleeds Russia and distracts her... exactly what the US wants... the US is afraid of war against Russia but would love Russia to be at war... with anyone... they don't care.

And the situation now is what is important... ironically the Ukraine is turning into an empty swamp now...

Would u have Russia vacate the 3 Caucuses too?

The general population didn't want war and consider themselves to be Russian and speak Russian.

Why the **** should Russian people be chased out of Russian lands and leave Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa etc and move to the RF?

Because the people in power in Kiev are happy to see every Russian speaking person as the enemy and are prepared to burn them to death as a matter of policy... sounds like a great reason to either get rid of their government or move... but does not have to be to Russia.

Thats not how people of a superpower nationality should be forced to act.
The Russian World is Russia, not Rwanda!

Very patriotic... but the Ukraine is no prize... it represents a burden... a money pit into which Russia could pour trillions and still not see any gratitude or loyalty... Russia just needs to be patient... eventually the people of the Ukraine will realise they have been had by the west and as the west keeps making promises they never deliver upon they will loose patience with them.... especially if the EU wants to try sending African migrants to the Ukraine to solve their own migrant problems... I am surprised the Ukraine has not offered to take them and perhaps build big prisons where the EU and even US could send their prisoners and keep them imprisoned for a fraction of the cost in the west to keep someone in jail... would be a good money earner for them.

Previously, one of these drones were hacked and forced to land in DNR/LNR territory, a few more may just do the same.

Maybe booby trap them and refuel them and relaunch them and release their control so the Orcs recover control and fly it back to its launch site... boom.

I would think they could return the favour in kind these days anyway...

TMA1 wrote:

Arrow wrote:Ukraine bombed the separatist positions with the TB2 drone

Yeah wtf was that about?

Looks like the Ukies may have hit back at a D30 firing at them. A video shows the gun crew, gun out in the open, running away after the explosion.

Video at link https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1453233588955136007


EDIT

Also today, looks like some upgraded AD may be needed.

Dean O'Brien - BA (Hons)
@DeanoBeano1
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Reports are coming in now that Ukrainian forces have attacked an oil depot in Donetsk using a drone.

Liveuamap
@Liveuamap
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Occupation authorities in parts of Donetsk region claim that Ukrainian UAV dropped an ammunition on oil reservoir in Kirovsky district of Donetsk. Ammunition did not explode. No fire or casualties or any other consequences https://liveuamap.com/en/2021/27-october-occupation-authorities-in-parts-of-donetsk-region


https://twitter.com/i/status/1453287280043560967

Problem is, the drones flies higher than I believe any current DNR/LNR ad system can hit it.  Besides Russia providing air support in creating a no fly zone, not much can be done about these drones besides the forces of the region use electronic warfare.

More on drone attack

a day ago

General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirmed Bayraktar TB2 combat drone was used for the first time at Donbas, in response to the death of Ukrainian soldier as result of attack of Russian forces

Ukraine has reportedly used TB2 drone against Russian artillery position which was in violation of Minsk agreements withdrawal range

8 hours ago

Russian FM Lavrov says: The Russian Federation is verifying information on the use of the Turkish Bayraktar drone by Ukraine

7 hours ago

Occupation authorities in parts of Donetsk region of Ukraine say that they have no proofs that Ukraine used Bayraktar drone

https://liveuamap.com/en/2021/27-october-occupation-authorities-in-parts-of-donetsk-region-3422

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oahMCNdh2Ng

Putin admits the Ukrainian people ie pro Russians are being suppressed by the Banderite-Washington filth.
So that knocks out some of the comments that "the Russians in the Ukraine deserve it".

Strangely he is rather silent on what he'll do.
His body language suggests he's deliberately biting his tongue.
Maybe he is out of patience and is considering a strike at some point if America continues to be moronic.

I think some people here just don't understand that so much of the Ukraine is part of Russia. Not the Russian Federation, but the Russian World.

This is a junta Russia is dealing with, NOT a "free democracy".

Interesting article on the drive, some fair some the usual crap. You might spot me battling it out in the comments

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42894/ukraine-strikes-russian-backed-forces-using-turkish-made-tb2-drones-for-the-first-time

Good map though, reminding us.