Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+39
RTN
nomadski
Maximmmm
Tsavo Lion
Regular
Eugenio Argentina
Scorpius
auslander
Hannibal Barca
Rasisuki Nebia
jhelb
lyle6
limb
Backman
medo
Russian_Patriot_
SeigSoloyvov
littlerabbit
franco
Airbornewolf
George1
VARGR198
Kiko
miketheterrible
JohninMK
Mir
mnztr
Finty
Hole
GarryB
ALAMO
Isos
calripson
par far
PapaDragon
flamming_python
d_taddei2
Gomig-21
AlfaT8
43 posters

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Finty
    Finty


    Posts : 539
    Points : 545
    Join date : 2021-02-10
    Location : Great Britain

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Bagram’s new Taliban masters uncover horrors of US jail in Afghanistan

    Post  Finty Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:14 pm

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bagrams-new-taliban-masters-uncover-horrors-of-us-jail-l028tdzxg?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1630405164

    ATaliban commander sat in the control tower of what was once the nerve centre of America’s war in Afghanistan, momentarily king of all he surveyed.

    Maulawi Hafiz Mohibullah Muktaz, a religious leader and fighter from Kandahar aged 35, leaned back in his seat laughing, twiddled some dials on a control console, stared out across the multibillion-dollar base the size of a small city and picked up a phone to summon an imaginary jet.


    “Never in our wildest dreams could we have believed we could beat a superpower like America with just our Kalashnikovs,” he beamed, staring across the two runways beneath him. Close by were a hundred revetted holding bays for attack jets, the airbase passenger lounge, a fifty-bed hospital and in the middle

    Finty
    Finty


    Posts : 539
    Points : 545
    Join date : 2021-02-10
    Location : Great Britain

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Afghanistan: How can the West stop terror bases?

    Post  Finty Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:22 pm

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58395371

    The UK will fight Islamic State by all means available," says Dominic Raab. The foreign secretary added that the UK would "draw on all elements of national power" to pursue the group's leaders.

    So what does that mean in practice? What exactly are the tools at Britain's disposal? Or is this, as some critics would maintain, just an empty boast?

    After Western defence and intelligence agencies collectively failed to foresee the speed at which Afghan National Security Forces would collapse, it seems they have since lost no time in making discreet approaches to the incoming Taliban government.

    In a surprising move, the CIA Director, William Burns, reportedly flew to Kabul almost within hours of the Taliban takeover of that city, holding talks with their political chief, Mullah Baradar.

    A key aim is to stop Afghanistan becoming a haven for transnational terrorism. The former chief of MI6, Sir Alex Younger, told the BBC: "I am not optimistic that the Taliban have the capability to do this, even if they had the intent."

    He added: "It will be important... to persuade neighbouring states that, for all our differences, we actually have the same problem and need to find some form of co-operation."

    Pakistan plays a crucial role in achieving this goal, and Richard Moore, the current chief of MI6, has held talks with its army chief to discuss just that. Pakistan's shadowy Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) have supported numerous militant Islamist groups in the region. Yet at the same time, Pakistan has suffered multiple casualties from domestic jihadist terrorism.

    Intelligence officers from MI6 are also reported to have held talks with the Taliban in both Kabul and Doha with the simple message that if a Taliban-ruled Afghanistan is to have global legitimacy, then it cannot be allowed to again become a haven for terrorism.

    MI6 talking to the Taliban is not new. What is new is that the entire paradigm of US-backed counter-terrorism in Afghanistan changed at a stroke on the day the Taliban walked into Kabul on August 15th.

    The Taliban takeover of nearly the whole of Afghanistan means that the West - and specifically the CIA, MI6 and other intelligence agencies - no longer has a trusted, in-country security service or Afghan special forces to work with.

    For the nearly 20 years that Nato and other multinational forces have been in Afghanistan, the intelligence provided by the country's National Directorate of Security has been vital in disclosing the covert activities of al-Qaeda, ISIS-K (the Afghan affiliate of Islamic State group) and other jihadist militant groups.

    Afghan, US, British and other special forces were then able to swoop in, often by helicopter in the dead of night, and close down those bases before they could successfully launch any international attacks.

    Hence the claim that for 20 years there has not been a single transnational attack launched from Afghanistan while Western forces were there.

    Who are IS-K?
    UK must face new Afghanistan reality
    Will Afghanistan become haven for terror?
    So what now? What's left?

    The loss of both its Afghan bases and an established network of human informants has forced the West - primarily the US and UK - to now rely on two other methods: cyber interception of messages, and "over-the-horizon" drone strikes.

    The fact that the US was able to locate and strike an ISIS-K target in Nangarhar province so soon after last Thursday's deadly bomb attack at Kabul airport shows that it still has some skin in the game - that it is not completely blind to what its adversaries are up to in the more remote corners of that country.

    The US Central Command facility at Al Udeid airbase in Qatar maintains oversight of operations in Afghanistan, and when a target is identified it can call on a number of "assets" in the region to attack it, most notably missile-armed drones which are able to hover, unseen, over a location for hours on end.

    Map showing the nearest US base to Afghanistan is Qatar
    But there is no getting around the fact that Afghanistan has now become a hard target for intelligence agencies. Most of those human informants who were supplying tip-offs on militant activities have either fled the country or gone into hiding.

    Both MI6 and the UK government's listening station GCHQ ultimately report to the foreign secretary, so Dominic Raab will be well aware of the challenges ahead.

    GCHQ, together with its US counterpart the National Security Agency, has been instrumental in locating ISIS terror cells in places like Syria and Iraq.

    But for MI6 the reality is that it will need to rebuild an entire network of human informants if it is to successfully place agents "upstream" inside terrorist organisations in Afghanistan who can then give warning that an attack is being planned. And that could take years.

    It is one of the bizarre oddities of the whole Afghan situation that the US and the Taliban, who have just spent the last 20 years fighting each other, now find themselves on the same page when trying to confront ISIS-K.

    ISIS-K is a declared enemy of both the Taliban and al-Qaeda and is likely to become the new insurgent challenge to Afghanistan's new rulers.

    But when it comes to al-Qaeda, the situation is a lot murkier.

    According to a UN report published in June there remain strong ethnic and marital ties between the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

    The purported return to Afghanistan this week of Osama Bin Laden's former security chief Amin ul-Haq is a worrying sign. That such a high-value individual, classified by the US as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist, should feel safe enough to return now the US has left will be deeply troubling for counter-terrorism officials in many countries.

    They won't be taking their eyes off Afghanistan for many years to come.

    Cowboy's daughter likes this post

    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:40 pm

    https://theaviationgeekclub.com/from-c-130-hercules-to-contractor-dogs-all-the-us-military-equipment-left-behind-in-afghanistan/

    Urgently! Nebenzi's statement to the UN https://youtu.be/wSWHdL4FQfY

    Destruction of the CIA base in Kabul. Investigation into the torture of Afghans by the US intelligence agency https://youtu.be/3y4sTCkDFcs

    New threat. What if an atomic bomb appears in Afghanistan?
    https://youtu.be/61w0agXVY_8
    Mir
    Mir


    Posts : 3808
    Points : 3806
    Join date : 2021-06-10

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Mir Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:43 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    New threat. What if an atomic bomb appears in Afghanistan?
    https://youtu.be/61w0agXVY_8

    Did the US leave one behind?
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:16 pm

    I doubt it; Pakistan has many.
    Israel could launch a nuclear tipped CM from a sub in the Arabian Sea to kill ISIS-K &/ Talibs, possibly forcing Iran to invade Afghanistan to be stuck there for years.

    https://www.juancole.com/2021/09/afghanistan-guerrillas-improvised.html

    https://www.juancole.com/2021/09/afghanistan-americas-foreign.html
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11599
    Points : 11567
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Isos Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:08 pm

    Can't you go share your trash and your stupid theories somewhere else please ?

    That's becoming anoying.
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:13 pm

    My trash may be some1's treasure- why not discuss all possibilities?
    History showed time & again that disasters & wars take unpredictable turns.
    Cowboy's daughter
    Cowboy's daughter


    Posts : 1894
    Points : 1933
    Join date : 2015-04-24
    Location : Texas

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:41 pm

    Resistance 2.0 🇦🇫 جبهه مقاومت
    @AFG_Resistance
    ·
    5h
    There is an open secret between us and the Talibans. I would like to share it. We are both racing against time!

    Winter is coming!!

    If we can hang on till October, we should be OK. No one can fight on the mountains in winter. Certainly not men with slippers...
    PANJSHIR

    Finty likes this post

    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:45 pm

    I'm sure they captured a lot of combat boots from the former Afghan army stocks.
    But that won't help much in those cold & snow covered mountains!


    Last edited by Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:59 pm; edited 2 times in total

    Cowboy's daughter likes this post

    Cowboy's daughter
    Cowboy's daughter


    Posts : 1894
    Points : 1933
    Join date : 2015-04-24
    Location : Texas

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:53 pm

    Taliban Targets Panjshir Valley as Resistance Leaders Remain Defiant
    By Jamie Dettmer
    Updated August 23, 2021 09:44 AM

    The Taliban are dispatching hundreds of fighters to the Panjshir Valley, 150 kilometers north of the Afghan capital, Kabul, to try to stamp out an emerging resistance movement led by the son of a warlord who defied them the last time they ruled Afghanistan 20 years ago.

    The Taliban gave Massoud four hours Sunday to surrender the Panjshir Valley, saying they were deploying forces “after local state officials refused to hand it over peacefully.”

    Massoud has been storing arms and material for the past two years, since the U.S. opened talks with the Taliban. His local militia has been boosted, his aides say, with an influx of a few thousand former Afghan army soldiers, including members of special forces units, and volunteers from other militias from northern and western Afghanistan.

    Ahmad Massoud’s father, Ahmad Shah Massoud, nicknamed the "lion of the Panjshir,” blocked Soviet forces in the 1980s and the Taliban in the 1990s from conquering the narrow and almost impenetrable valley It has in effect one main road in and out. His 32-year-old son, who was trained at Britain’s military academy Sandhurst and was taught war studies at King’s College, London, hopes to emulate his father.

    His spokesman, Nazari, talking from an undisclosed location, told VOA that the resistance movement has sufficient strength to keep the Taliban out of the valley, near the Hindu Kush and home to more than 100,000 people, including Afghanistan’s largest concentration of ethnic Tajiks. He said Massoud had opened negotiations with the Taliban much as his father did in 1995 in the hope that bloodshed could be avoided.

    The Afghan army remnants brought with them half-a-dozen helicopters and other equipment and the National Resistance Front has a dozen or so Soviet-era tanks, anti-Taliban sources say. They also have Russian BM-21 Grad rocket launchers.

    Nazari told VOA Massoud is fairly confident that he can sustain the resistance until wintertime, when the fighting would decrease, and inclement seasonal weather would halt a Taliban offensive. “The Taliban will be less mobile in winter,” he said.

    “A key risk for the Taliban with the resistance in the Panjshir is the unraveling of local surrender pacts the Islamists struck with tribal elders and local warlords,” says another Western intelligence officer who served in Afghanistan. “They paved the way for the Taliban all the way to Kabul,” he adds. Many of those pacts were clinched because tribal elders and others assumed the Taliban would be victorious, and “if the impression gains ground, they can be challenged, then other groups may decide to resist. Remember the Afghan saying: you can hire me, but you can’t buy me,” he adds.

    https://www.voanews.com/us-afghanistan-troop-withdrawal/taliban-targets-panjshir-valley-resistance-leaders-remain-defiant

    Finty likes this post

    SeigSoloyvov
    SeigSoloyvov


    Posts : 3881
    Points : 3859
    Join date : 2016-04-08

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:18 pm

    even if they delay until winter, that won't do much. Taliban have that place locked down nothing is getting in and out.

    Time, in general, is against them, only a matter of time before supplies run out and they exhaust their manpower.

    But hey I respect them for at least fighting for their rights.
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:38 pm

    The Soviet partisans were fighting Germans for 4 years while being supplied by air.
    The Talibs, who couldn't defeat them before 2001, may not last that long in their present form- Afghanistan itself is surrounded & sanctioned; all they can do is sell opium & weapons/vehicles they captured.
    Later US, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakstán &/ Iran may bomb their forces to lift the siege.

    Cowboy's daughter likes this post

    Finty
    Finty


    Posts : 539
    Points : 545
    Join date : 2021-02-10
    Location : Great Britain

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Finty Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:53 pm

    Godspeed to them, I for one hope they hold out but in the long term, I'm not that hopeful.

    Cowboy's daughter likes this post

    Cowboy's daughter
    Cowboy's daughter


    Posts : 1894
    Points : 1933
    Join date : 2015-04-24
    Location : Texas

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:18 pm

    If this happens: >>>> “A key risk for the Taliban with the resistance in the Panjshir is the unraveling of local surrender pacts the Islamists struck with tribal elders and local warlords,” says another Western intelligence officer who served in Afghanistan. “They paved the way for the Taliban all the way to Kabul,” he adds. Many of those pacts were clinched because tribal elders and others assumed the Taliban would be victorious, and “if the impression gains ground, they can be challenged, then other groups may decide to resist. Remember the Afghan saying: you can hire me, but you can’t buy me,” he adds.

    we may see a different Afghanistan.

    Finty likes this post

    Cowboy's daughter
    Cowboy's daughter


    Posts : 1894
    Points : 1933
    Join date : 2015-04-24
    Location : Texas

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:20 pm

    Natiq Malikzada Retweeted
    Natiq Malikzada
    @natiqmalikzada
    ·
    3h
    The Taliban closed the gates of Afghanistan National Institute of Music and broke all the instruments.  They also threatened Orchestra musicians to stop performing...











    VARGR198 and Finty like this post

    SeigSoloyvov
    SeigSoloyvov


    Posts : 3881
    Points : 3859
    Join date : 2016-04-08

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:30 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The Soviet partisans were fighting Germans for 4 years while being supplied by air.
    The Talibs, who couldn't defeat them before 2001, may not last that long in their present form- Afghanistan itself is surrounded & sanctioned; all they can do is sell opium & weapons/vehicles they captured.
    Later US, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakstán &/ Iran may bomb their forces to lift the siege.

    Taliban can shoot down the aircraft, this isn't WW2 era.

    We aren't going to bomb them and none of those countries are going to lol.

    You live in a fantasy land.
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:42 pm

    Taliban can shoot down the aircraft, this isn't WW2 era.
    not B-1Bs/52s & F-15/18s flying high & dropping bombs from 40km away!
    We aren't going to bomb them and none of those countries are going to lol.
    Iraq was bombed for years after Kuwait was retaken; the same can be done in Afghanistan, if need be, if only to deny Chinese from exploiting its mineras & BRI transit.
    The Taliban closed the gates of Afghanistan National Institute of Music and broke all the instruments.  They also threatened Orchestra musicians to stop performing...
    They r in their repertoire, no surprise here!


    Last edited by Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:48 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : add link)

    Finty likes this post

    SeigSoloyvov
    SeigSoloyvov


    Posts : 3881
    Points : 3859
    Join date : 2016-04-08

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:32 pm

    1. We the US aren't going to bomb them at this stage, pure fantasy on your end.

    2. Again none of those countries are going to bomb Afghan more pure fantasy on your end.

    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon


    Posts : 13471
    Points : 13511
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  PapaDragon Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:48 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:1. We the US aren't going to bomb them at this stage, pure fantasy on your end.

    2. Again none of those countries are going to bomb Afghan more pure fantasy on your end.


    It's Tsavo, don't bother taking him seriously, he is entertainment



    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:55 pm

    Biden needs to keep his word on hunting down terrorists there & anywhere, so they may be bombed along with Talibs once all Americans r out of the country.
    I'm old enough to know how duplicitous Anglo-Saxons can be.

    Hannibal Barca likes this post

    Cowboy's daughter
    Cowboy's daughter


    Posts : 1894
    Points : 1933
    Join date : 2015-04-24
    Location : Texas

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:03 am

    After California students rescued from Afghanistan, officials say there could 'easily' be thousands more
    More than 1,000 US students and children of SIV holders are believed to be stranded
    California officials who helped rescue El Cajon-area students stranded in Afghanistan after the U.S. military withdrew all troops Monday said there could "easily" be thousands more who were left behind.

    Based on conversations that the Cajon Valley Union School District and Republican California Rep. Darrell Issa's office has had with their contacts in Afghanistan, officials and families estimate that more than 1,000 U.S. students and children of Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) holders are still stuck in the country.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/califorina-students-rescued-afghanistan-thousands-more



    So far, National Resistance Forces has not received any offers of help from other countries, Massoud said, but he added that it has been in talks with political and military representatives from Pakistan.

    “We said [to Pakistan], you are our neighbor, we have got 2,400 kilometers of border, our stability is completely tied with each other, you’ve got a lot of influence with the Taliban. Tell them to talk logically,” he said.

    But aware of the consequences of working with other countries, the group does not want Afghanistan to become a battleground for a proxy war, Massoud said.


    He said he was angry with the way the Biden administration handled the U.S. military withdrawal from the region. The U.S. ended its two-decade military involvement in Afghanistan on Aug. 31, a deadline agreed to with the Taliban.

    “We really think of it as a betrayal on behalf of the Afghan people,” Massoud said. “If they wanted to come out, they could have come out in a disciplined way.

    “Human rights, women’s rights, democracy, all of the rights that you introduced to us, and all of a sudden you sell us out to terrorists, to a [group] from the medieval dark ages,” he added. “It makes me feel really sad.”

    https://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-civil-war-is-very-likely-as-peace-talks-falter-says-anti-taliban-resistance-representative-151427096.html



    Al-Quada Joined Taliban in Panjshir valley offensive:


    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/09/02/Al-Qaeda-joined-Taliban-in-Panjshir-valley-offensive-Sources?fbclid=IwAR1jFzZ4k6EY8JR5k3EJnxWnmalxXxh9c78YRRmLFvDLDk16JYqKIRu0Us4


    Last edited by Cowboy's daughter on Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:06 am; edited 1 time in total
    Cowboy's daughter
    Cowboy's daughter


    Posts : 1894
    Points : 1933
    Join date : 2015-04-24
    Location : Texas

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:04 am

    James Glancy@jaglancy·
    2h
    I’m pleased to say that @khyberkhaan
    1/3 of our film team, made it safely out of Afghanistan. We’ve managed to extract some people, but many others remain in great danger in Afghanistan.
    Do not believe their slick PR machine; Al Q’aeda is fully integrated into the Taliban.


    VARGR198 likes this post

    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 40522
    Points : 41022
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:40 am

    Biden needs to keep his word on hunting down terrorists there & anywhere, so they may be bombed along with Talibs once all Americans r out of the country.
    I'm old enough to know how duplicitous Anglo-Saxons can be.

    You are a contradiction.

    You know what liars Biden and company are but you want him to keep his word.

    The US has wasted trillions of dollars in Afghanistan and did not make any serious fundamental changes for the better except giving people hope who really should not have hope.

    It is amusing the western countries talking about cooperation with other countries to fight terrorism... where has this talk been for the last 20 years...

    More importantly why the **** should Russia listen to the US who has been telling the world for the last 20 years that Russia is a bigger threat than ISIS?

    Too little too late.

    Piss off and let the big boys sort this shit out... because when it comes to actually sorting shit out in an agreeable and long term way where everyone is mostly happy.... the west totally sucks.

    Isolating the "resistance" and having them surrender and then join a coalition government that rules Afghanistan is the best possible solution... another decade of fighting will keep them poor and irrelevant.

    People in the west only bring up the opium production to use as a problem created by the Taliban, when Ironically the Taliban destroy poppy fields and are against drug use... opium exports from Afghanistan peak when the west is in control and it is probably a big reason the US deep state want to stay.... 80 billion a year probably funds most of what the CIA does around the world most of the time.... easy money and they can direct it into Russia and Iran and other countries it wants to do damage to.

    Another reason the region is better off with the US out.

    Do not believe their slick PR machine; Al Q’aeda is fully integrated into the Taliban.

    The west has no problem cooperating with ISIS and Al Quada in Syria and in other places where they are useful... so go **** yourself you two faced aholes.

    It is funny how a group can hurt the US or Israel and become world leading terrorist groups, but even those facts can be ignored if they are being useful fighting someone else the west does not like... which suggests good and bad are clearly just temporary labels that are applied when it suits.

    You could say ISIS are bad because of their acts against civilians etc, but there are people in guantanimo and lots of secret detection centres around the world who will say the same about the US government.
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion


    Posts : 5960
    Points : 5912
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:57 am

    Failure in Iraq and Afghanistan: Did the Mighty, Cutting-Edge US Military Machine founder on Guerrillas’ humble Improvised Explosive Devices? https://www.juancole.com/2021/09/afghanistan-guerrillas-improvised.html

    Out of Afghanistan: Joe Biden and the future of America’s foreign policy
    https://www.juancole.com/2021/09/afghanistan-americas-foreign.html

    U.S. presses Pakistan as Afghan crisis spirals, leaked docs show
    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/02/us-pakistan-afghan-crisis-509157

    GOP Sen. Bill Hagerty demands destruction of Taliban’s new air force
    https://nypost.com/2021/09/02/sen-bill-hagerty-demands-destruction-of-taliban-air-force/

    Brummie likes this post

    Cowboy's daughter
    Cowboy's daughter


    Posts : 1894
    Points : 1933
    Join date : 2015-04-24
    Location : Texas

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:14 am


    Two articles, so they are getting the press, but what it means if anything, idk.


    Panjshir - the valley trying to hold off the Taliban
    Published7 hours ago
    The Taliban have swept through Afghanistan with remarkable speed.

    But as they sit in Kabul planning their new government, there remains a large thorn in their side: a small valley of anti-Taliban resistance just north-east of the capital, refusing to give up despite being entirely surrounded.

    Senior Taliban leader Amir Khan Motaqi has called on the residents of the Panjshir Valley to lay down their weapons, but there is little sign of them complying. Dozens of Taliban fighters are said to have been killed in skirmishes along its borders since 15 August, when Kabul fell, and fighting is continuing.

    So what exactly is happening in the Panjshir Valley - and should the Taliban be worried?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58420859




    Afghanistan: The 'undefeated' Panjshir Valley - an hour from Kabul
    By Paul Kerley & Lucia Blasco
    BBC News

    Published26 August
    It's not the first time the dramatic and imposing Panjshir Valley has been a flashpoint in Afghanistan's recent turbulent history - having been a stronghold against Soviet forces in the 1980s, and the Taliban in the '90s.

    The group holding out there now - the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan (NRF) - recently reminded the world of the valley's strength.

    "The Red Army, with its might, was unable to defeat us... And the Taliban also 25 years ago... they tried to take over the valley and they failed, they faced a crushing defeat," Ali Nazary, the NRF's head of foreign relations, told the BBC.


    The long, deep and dusty valley stretches about 75 miles (120km) - south-west to north-east - to the north of the Afghan capital Kabul. It is protected by high mountain peaks - rising 9,800ft (3,000m) above the valley floor. They are an imposing natural barrier - protection for the people living there.

    There is only one narrow road in, which winds its way between large rocky outcrops and the meandering Panjshir River.

    "There is a mythical aspect to the entire area. It's not just one valley. Once you get into it there are at least another 21 sub valleys connected," says Shakib Sharifi, who lived there as a child, but left Afghanistan after the Taliban took control.

    Between 150,000 and 200,000 people are reported to live in the valley. Most speak Dari - one of Afghanistan's main languages - and are of Tajik ethnicity.

    The Tajiks make up about a quarter of Afghanistan's population of 38 million people - but the Panjshiris don't look towards Tajikistan, one of Afghanistan's northern neighbours. Instead they have their own local identity.

    In this latest standoff, the valley is believed to also be home to large stockpiles of weapons. Fighters based in the valley were meant to have disbanded over the past 20 years and hand over their arms. "But there are still stockpiles there," says Dr Giustozzi.

    "Afghan officials with connections to Panjshir also moved more guns there because they were worried about presidents' Karzai and Ghani, but in the end it was the Taliban they needed to be worried about."

    Massoud has said his fighters have military support from members of the Afghan army and special forces.

    "We have stores of ammunition and arms that we have patiently collected since my father's time, because we knew this day might come," he wrote in a recent opinion piece for the Washington Post.





    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58329527

    Sponsored content


    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 27 Empty Re: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:35 pm