2022 Kazakhstan violent unrest

PapaDragon wrote:
European media is reporting on this but almost nothing in USA

Very unusual for them not to jump on this well in advance

I think this confirms that this was solely Brussels/East-Europe Hail Mary pass

Euros (especially Tier 2 ones) know that someone will be getting thrown to the wolves during those upcoming USA/RU negotiations and are desperate to prevent them from happening

CIA is sitting this one out, their ex-Afghan assets (jihadists) may be getting used here by their European buddies but they are not playing this one

Na. It was just a desperate move that they weren't sure will succeed

And now that the wind started to blow in the other direction they scrammed quick. They need continued co-operation with Kazakhstan.

I mean I don't exclude the possibility that the US isn't in on this, but it's hard to believe. We're talking about about a critical time, and a critical country, where all the technologies of regime-change were employed and all the NGOs were activated. The only thing that stayed silent was the media and politicians, waiting to see what would happen.

That either Tokayev or Nazerbayev may have co-ordinated with the West on this in the hope of deposing one another is certainly not out of the question though. In fact it almost certainly must be the case, considering what was witnessed. Just a few oligarchs and opposition groups outside the power structures could not have wrought such chaos over just 3 days.

Scorpius wrote:Possible explanation of Kyrgyzstan's position:

Kyrgyz President Sadyr Zhaparov and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan discussed the situation in Kazakhstan by phone. The conversation between the leaders of the two states took place on the initiative of the Turkish side.

The most recent coup/revolution in Kyrgyzstan was a Turkish sponsored one, which brought in some leaders that tried to beef with Tajikistan.

Although it didn't exactly net the Turks much. The country is up to its neck in Chinese debt and dependent on Russia in regards to migrant work and its border issues with Tajikistan (that Russia turned a blind eye to Taikistan teaching a lesson to Kyrgyzstan on recently, but nontheless Kyrgyzstan didn't lose any territory).

It's another Pashinyan case basically. Secretly pro-West but has to be pro-Russian by necessity.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Maybe , but it really is more of an internal power struggle in kazakhstan between elbasy and tokayev.

Svidomo and libs were useful idiots, the security state won out.

Russia gets sphere of influence, so on and so forth

Nazarbayev bet on the wrong direction , sort of a Yanukovych but in reverse, and tried to fight against nur otan

Russia doesn't need a sphere of influence per say. That can actually be a drag and breed resentment or whatever else.

It needs stable neighbours who will co-operate with Russia and build stronger economic ties

It basically needs to keep the ex-Soviet space out of the West's sphere of influence. The more ex-Soviet countries understand that this is in their interests as well, the better.

Fighting in Almaty earlier in the day

https://t.me/kstati_p/18074
https://t.me/kstati_p/18070

Seems to be a few burned out military trucks by the sides of the road. Likely part of a convoy, and there is speculation they were targeted with RPGs. But could just as easily have been surrounded, surrendered and the vehicles torched for all we know

https://t.me/kstati_p/18080

mnztr wrote:When I consider who can be behind this "random violence" and consider all the usual suspects, I pick Putin. Its actually a brilliant move on his part. Of course the West is trying to court all former Soviet republics, and Putin does not want another Ukraine problem on his border. So raise some hell, get Russian troops in there, and lets just say, they are not leaving...EVER. AND he forces the country to invite them. I bet they know Putin is behind it, but they know they have to show fealty as they are are better off as a Russian satellite and overtures to become a western satellite are far too dangerous. It also strengthens Putins hand TREMENDOUSLY in the up coming negotiations as he demonstrates his will and determination in a non-sanctionable activity, all without a direct clash with the US. The guy is really a strategic genius.

No it is actually the assorted nationalist, pan-Turk, Islamist and criminal retards behind it all, that the Western NGOs and local oligarchs have bred for the occasion, but can't even control. Plus the mobs of village people angry about having to do low-paid jobs, who looted all the shops or signed up to the rent-a-crowd shenanigance.

One of these people is a notorious member of the Kazakh criminal underworld who has just returned from abroad, Arman 'Wild', who has been sounding the alarm about mob rule and how the protestors are not conducting themselves properly. He's in a panic as he knows that the movement has failed to capture popular support in Almaty


Ukronazis on the Maidan were doing the same thing - arson, strangling cops, beating politicians and so on, even seizing weapons - but all their sins were excused as the coupists won in that country.

Tokayev either let the marauders have their day for a period of time to show ordinary people what they're about, or else couldn't exercise control over the army and security forces before as it was Nazarbayev as head of the security council, who in fact was in commander-in-chief.

The only place protests have progressed somewhat peacefully was in the west of the country, where the retards already have mass support and there is no need to bus in a whole bunch of people from out of town, and where they already disarmed local police and army units. Presumably a lot of those people were the ones who then assaulted Almaty.

Now it looks like the west of the country is preparing to fold as Tokayev asserts authority. For now they're still gathering in the main square in Aktau, but bringing their wives and kids along.

Backman wrote:

mnztr wrote:When I consider who can be behind this "random violence" and consider all the usual suspects, I pick Putin. Its actually a brilliant move on his part. Of course the West is trying to court all former Soviet republics, and Putin does not want another Ukraine problem on his border. So raise some hell, get Russian troops in there, and lets just say, they are not leaving...EVER. AND he forces the country to invite them. I bet they know Putin is behind it, but they know they have to show fealty as they are are better off as a Russian satellite and overtures to become a western satellite are far too dangerous. It also strengthens Putins hand TREMENDOUSLY in the up coming negotiations as he demonstrates his will and determination in a non-sanctionable activity, all without a direct clash with the US. The guy is really a strategic genius.

Russia has needed a new color revolution strategy for a long time. Injecting double agent provocatours to turn the protests violent is a welcome innovation.  Then they can control the temperature instead of having the CIA turn them violent with snipers.

But we'll never really know.

Hardly a new innovation, has been around forever.

But I'm more than ready to believe that it more than anything depends on the quality of who you recruit.

Britain calling for Kazakhstan's sovereignty to be respected



Is that the best they can come up with?
Maybe if they and their allies respected Kazakhstan's sovereignty themselves, there would be no CSTO troops there. Which the Kazakh president and leadership themselves invited, quite legitimately.