2022 Kazakhstan violent unrest

First big dodgy fish netted in Kazakhstan:

former head of the Committee on National Security, Karim Masimov.

Charged with STATE TREASON.

A lot more Trojan Horses to follow.

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1479798830128324609

flamming_python wrote:Don't think the Turks are involved

Putin and Erdogan held a conversation by phone about the post-Soviet space just a week or so ago. Not long after both Tokayev and Nazarbayev held talks with Putin at the CIS summit meeting in St. Petersburg.

Just a couple of days ago Lavrov and the current Turkish foreign minister, Cavusoglu, held talks about the conversation in Kazakhstan where they both agreed that the government is making the right decisions in putting down the rebellion, and of course Tokayev thanked Turkey as well in his speech right after Russia and China

Davutoglu, Turkey's former foreign minister and now in opposition to Erdogan, had earlier voiced how Erdogan had not payed enough attention to Kazakhstan

So it's quite possible that Russia and Turkey had earlier agreed about delimitation of influence over the post-Soviet space, which would entail Turkey stopping support of all groups in Central Asia.
In return Turkey's influence in the Transcaucasus can be accepted, and Russia and China might help Turkey with its economy and Eurasian integration.

It's important to note that there are many different political forces in Turkey, some allied to Erdogan and some opposed to him. Many of those may have acted independently in initiating the uprising in Kazakhstan.

flamming_python wrote:

Don't think the Turks are involved

JohninMK wrote:More of John's random comments from social media

Peter Leonard
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Kazakhstan: Expecting in the coming days to hear a lot more about this character, Wild Arman (Arman Dzhumageldiyev), who appears to have been a leading ringleader in the violence in Almaty. He has been under arrest since Friday 1/

flamming_python wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

AZ-5 wrote:cleaning house already..

Kazakhstan detains former national security chief on suspicion of treason

ALMATY, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Authorities in Kazakhstan have detained Karim Massimov, the former head of the national security committee, on suspicion of treason, the security committee said on Saturday. Massimov, who was fired this week as protests raged across the Central Asian country, was detained along with several other officials, the National Security Committee said in a statement. It did not name them or provide further details. Reuters was unable immediately to contact Massimov.

reuters.com

It is a really, really bad idea to initiate a coup and then fail.

My instinct is that the Turks and MI6 (their new boss is an expert in the area, was an Ambassador there, and is close to the Turks) are the sharp end of this attempted colour revolution. Time will tell.

Don't think the Turks are involved

Putin and Erdogan held a conversation by phone about the post-Soviet space just a week or so ago. Not long after both Tokayev and Nazarbayev held talks with Putin at the CIS summit meeting in St. Petersburg.

Just a couple of days ago Lavrov and the current Turkish foreign minister, Cavusoglu, held talks about the conversation in Kazakhstan where they both agreed that the government is making the right decisions in putting down the rebellion, and of course Tokayev thanked Turkey as well in his speech right after Russia and China

Davutoglu, Turkey's former foreign minister and now in opposition to Erdogan, had earlier voiced how Erdogan had not payed enough attention to Kazakhstan

So it's quite possible that Russia and Turkey had earlier agreed about delimitation of influence over the post-Soviet space, which would entail Turkey stopping support of all groups in Central Asia.
In return Turkey's influence in the Transcaucasus can be accepted, and Russia and China might help Turkey with its economy and Eurasian integration.

It's important to note that there are many different political forces in Turkey, some allied to Erdogan and some opposed to him. Many of those may have acted independently in initiating the uprising in Kazakhstan.

franco wrote:Erdogan apparently claimed that any Turkey involvement was from the Gulenist. The same group that tried to dispose him back in 2016.  

flamming_python wrote:No, rather the Kazakh ASSR was detached from Russia by Stalin and made into a union-level republic, the Kazakh SSR.

If you look at the territories traditionally claimed and occupied by the 3 Kazakh zuzhes (a zuzh being something between a nation and a clan), you'll see that they correlate fairly well to the modern borders of Kazakhstan

AZ-5 wrote:

JohninMK wrote:More of John's random comments from social media

Peter Leonard
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Kazakhstan: Expecting in the coming days to hear a lot more about this character, Wild Arman (Arman Dzhumageldiyev), who appears to have been a leading ringleader in the violence in Almaty. He has been under arrest since Friday 1/

That guy flew in the country from straight from TR. There's photos of him on twitter posing with the grey wolves sign..  

ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Don't think the Turks are involved

+1
Tokayev included Turkey in his thanksgiving list, along with the CSTO allies.
We know about some conversation between the Erdo and Japarov, and the decision that they will settle a contingent was made after that I guess.

flamming_python wrote:Yes it's absolutely in Russia's interests to keep Kazakhstan together and not play destructive politics in the region in any way, shape or form. A united Kazakhstan as a modern republic was a Russian/Soviet idea in the first place. The main thing is that the project doesn't go awry - as it nearly just did.

flamming_python wrote:A united Kazakhstan, even if it was politically neutral, keeps all the regressive forces in check, and allows for modernization and improving the social-economic conditions across the whole territory. Which is very much to Russia's benefit, it doesn't need instability or any pro-Turkish, pro-Western or whatever state on its southern border.
But the main thing is that the government must be competent.

AZ-5 wrote:...

International Leaks
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According to the unconfirmed reports, The port of Aktau was taken under protection by the forces of the 414th separate guards battalion of the marines of the Caspian flotilla of the Russian Navy

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magnumcromagnon wrote:From Pepe Escobar:

First big dodgy fish netted in Kazakhstan:
former head of the Committee on National Security, Karim Masimov.
Charged with STATE TREASON.
A lot more Trojan Horses to follow.

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1479798830128324609

kvs wrote:The post by flamming is highly relevant since it debunks the Kazakh nationalist claims on the country's current borders and beyond.
The Russians have the same historical timeline as the Kazakhs on this land.  Ethnically cleansing them is a war crime.   Russia
must support both the Donbass and northern Kazakhstan Russian populations.   This does not mean any Sudentland style invasions
but it also does not allow for ethnic cleansing.

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