2022 Kazakhstan violent unrest

lyle6 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
And now... kazakhstan... idk what to say about this one, I mean Russia hasn't had military here, since Buran flew its last mission. But seeing as how Uncle Sam couldnt contain itself, I mean shit if your gonna give it to Russia, the least one could do is put a lil bow on it! Now it just feels like taking candy from a baby

And ain't it beautiful how the Western spin doctors cope with this shit: they say Russia is getting stretched thin and has to scrap its impending plans for a Ukrainian offensive. N*gger, they're only sending 3000 dudes thus far, and 3000 elite paratroopers, while worth more than their weight in precious metal (as we've just seen with this remarkable alacrity they afford the Russian planners - they're there in just baarely half the day) is not even 1% of the combat power that Russia can muster for Ukraine. And even if they did chose to delay - then who cares? It might take months and they obviously could sustain the forward deployment of such size as they've been doing all this time (lol, maybe NATO thinks these are peasant levies you have to disband every 3 months) but at the end, Ukraine still gets smashed flat once they get to it. In the meantime this little distraction just gave the Russians the a foot in the door, no, they blew wide open the Kazakh halls to power. What f*cking geniuses, these bioluminescent basketball americans are!  

Its not remotely 1% of Russias military power. Not really using much heavy weapons, air power or armour. Really just some heavy policing.

By the time the great leader retires there won't be a single post soviet state that hasn't experienced a color revolution, a former allied state that isn't part of NATO or, if a holdout, experienced a color revolution instead.

But... "we winning..."    

The only hope for Russians is for the Chinese to pre-occuppy the U.S (already happening), and for internal U.S strife to tear the empire from within (already happening). Without that... with the geniuses at the Kremlin playing grand strategy... just imagine.

Here is what you won't see till the great leader retires and someone with balls take charge. You won't see a Russian puppet regime as a result of a soft coup or color revolution in any of the following: NATO member states, allied protectorates of the U.S (Korea, Japan, Mexico, Saudi Arabia etc)...

It's what it's.

Without reciprocal pressure, the U.S will continue to be at the offensive, for as long as it can keep the effort - which is dependent on the push-back, plus other variables. Looking at the speed in which they pull these, the clear assessment is that the push back is rather meak thus "keep doing it".

I hear people demanding
proof that Washington did it.

They have all the proof they need.... because it is clearly highly likely...

Can't even secure or keep your own backyard stable but expect "legal" security guarantees from the masters of deception and chaos

But Russia is not allowed a sphere of influence so why should Russia be held responsible to keep the peace in Kazakhstan... a country that is not part of the Russian Federation.

That would be like the US having to keep the peace in Haiti or Cuba of Venezuela or indeed Mexico...

I'm loving the spin doctors at work. "This might strengthen Russia's hands"....."Russia's not messing around this time"...... lol1 lol1 and the sheep will believe this, if it sounds plausible enough. They'll believe anything that soothes the anxiety, and makes the elephant in the room disappear.... if only temporarily.

Acts of violence and destruction dressed up as protest and human rights.... this has western fingerprints all over it...

Russia can't stop the west from being the total that they are... all they can hope for is to be able to clean it up and put a positive spin on it that benefits them.... you know... like not having to pay rent on Sevastopol, and having a major military contingent in Syria and helping people in that region while getting to kill scum.

My standpoint is pretty clear on Russia's reactionary foreign policy, and Putin's record of it at particular flashpoints.

Up until now Russia has not been an aggressor so there was no other foreign policy they could adopt realistically.

Now this will be seen as a chance to secure a much better relationship with this country and to hunt down and eliminate people who were being used by Russias enemies...

Sounds like a good thing all round from Russias perspective.

The West did the equivalent of a Russian invasion of the Ukraine and seem to have lost, so now Russia will make changes and take action to solidify their position and essentially push the west out... as shown by the timid response from the UK likely worried about their investments in the region...

The U.S and its allies will continue to do what is competent of them to do... encircle Russia, and keep it down as much as humanely possible without triggering world war. Great power competition 101.

So you keep saying, but before they pulled all this bullshit the Ukraine was never friendly with Russia because they wanted their separate identity and they had the Crimea... which was the Russian Navy by the Balls, and Luka was looking to play Russia against the west to get a good deal from both so he could play games and enjoy a comfortable position, and Kazakhstan seemed to be interested in both western investment and Russian investment too...

But western bullshit games has Gained Russia the Crimea but cut away the rest of the leech, push Luka into being Putins best buddy, and now Kazakhstan seems to be turning to the CSTO to help them rather than HATO or UN peacekeepers... where exactly are Putins losses and the wests wins?

That Russia struggles in its responses to such is of course of interest to any observer.

What struggles... they asked for help and Russia has already sent help....

The spin doctors do what they're supposed to do and sheep will believe them cause they're predisposed to believe it to avoid cognitive dissonance... it's 100% normal for some humans to do this. Nothing controversial, except to those catching feelings cause maybe they believe the description fits them... and as we know, no one likes to feel like their brain matter is made of sheep sauce.

Accusing the opposition of doing what you do is an old tactic... we are unspin doctors... we unwrap the spin to work out what is actually happening and who started it and why... and it is highly likely that the west tried to start 2022 with a revolution and seem to have failed... I am sure this will be the fuel Putin needs to make some difficult decisions.... Russia wants to be part of the international community but unfortunately the international organisations that facilitate that are often dominated or outright controlled from Washington.

Russia is realising cutting itself off from the west will probably damage the west more than it will damage Russia, and is likely to be Russias best chance for a decent future.

I think Russia will close its embassies in the US, which will be interesting in regard to the UN which the US dominates too... this attempt at a colour revolution will be a real warning to China, with the west prattling on about both Taiwan, Hong Kong, and the Muslims in China... like they care a damn about any of them...

By the time the great leader retires there won't be a single post soviet state that hasn't experienced a color revolution, a former allied state that isn't part of NATO or, if a holdout, experienced a color revolution instead.

Yeah, Kiev is such a prize... by not invading all this time... don't you realise the message is... that place is broken and full of more anti Russian people than Washington and Brussels together... have fun, and enjoy yourself.

Same with Georgia... you can keep that...

The only hope for Russians is for the Chinese to pre-occuppy the U.S (already happening), and for internal U.S strife to tear the empire from within (already happening). Without that... with the geniuses at the Kremlin playing grand strategy... just imagine.

Maybe that is their solution, but I doubt it... it is not Putins style... he could easily have banned gas going through the Ukraine... they didn't need new gas transit contracts with Kiev... he didn't want the ukrainian people to suffer for the leadership in the Ukraine or the EU or US being animals.

The US is breaking itself... Russia wont bother helping, because there are plenty of factions in teh US desperate to find someone to blame and no doubt they are going to blame Russia and Putin anyway... just like the Steele report... when there is no evidence just make shit up.

Putin is president of Russia, the US and EU are not his problem.

It is the west that fears peer rivals that it will destroy by any means... that is the culture I would like to see end.

You won't see a Russian puppet regime as a result of a soft coup or color revolution in any of the following: NATO member states, allied protectorates of the U.S (Korea, Japan, Mexico, Saudi Arabia etc)...

But the king pays the wages of his court jesters.... the king will buy million dollar table cloths but having to fund all the support staff is also weakening the structures that actually pay taxes and fund the whole programme.

Without reciprocal pressure, the U.S will continue to be at the offensive,

But that is the point... Russia being as offensive as the US makes them just more of the same.... same asshole same flag colours... it would be like an American election... you can choose one rich white old guy or another white rich old guy... we go to war either way...

Looking at the speed in which they pull these, the clear assessment is that the push back is rather meak thus "keep doing it".

The west are wasps... they like to use their sting any chance they get... it means they can throw their weight around and have their way... small and annoying, but with enough numbers to make even the biggest animal move on. Putin and Russia are a bee... they know when they sting they probably die, so only serious self defence to protect the hive will they sting.

What you say... the west is going to win... but the difference is the west destroys and has no value for anyone but itself... Russia is making honey and so it has beekeepers and a product that is wanted by others so if wasps start to infest the area near the beehives the humans amongst us will spray those wasp nests and help to protect the bee hive.

Humans like Assange and Snowden and Manning... like them or loathe them, they paid serious prices for their morals... which is ironic in the moralistic west that treats these people as criminals and ignore the criminal activity they exposed, because the west is criminal.

But honestly noone cares, russia doesnt care about destabilizing some countries to get back at the rednecks, that's what yanks do cus they're mad inside.

Mad angry people...

No event of significance for NATzO and its lickspittles (e.g. Qatar) will ever be covered objectively in the controlled media.

But didn't that UK press release urge that the protests should be peaceful and law enforcements responses should be proportunate... getting fired at with assault rifles and grenades and having officers beheaded... suggests the protesters can be treated fairly roughly now can't they?

ATLASCUB wrote:By the time the great leader retires there won't be a single post soviet state that hasn't experienced a color revolution, a former allied state that isn't part of NATO or, if a holdout, experienced a color revolution instead.

But... "we winning..."    

The only hope for Russians is for the Chinese to pre-occuppy the U.S (already happening), and for internal U.S strife to tear the empire from within (already happening). Without that... with the geniuses at the Kremlin playing grand strategy... just imagine.

Here is what you won't see till the great leader retires and someone with balls take charge. You won't see a Russian puppet regime as a result of a soft coup or color revolution in any of the following: NATO member states, allied protectorates of the U.S (Korea, Japan, Mexico, Saudi Arabia etc)...

It's what it's.

Without reciprocal pressure, the U.S will continue to be at the offensive, for as long as it can keep the effort - which is dependent on the push-back, plus other variables. Looking at the speed in which they pull these, the clear assessment is that the push back is rather meak thus "keep doing it".

You think US internal strife, Brexit riots in France, etc are just spontaneous events that rise out of thin air? Man, you are even dumber then you sound.

GarryB wrote:

But didn't that UK press release urge that the protests should be peaceful and law enforcements responses should be proportunate... getting fired at with assault rifles and grenades and having officers beheaded... suggests the protesters can be treated fairly roughly now can't they?

If they actually did that, drive a tank over the MOFOs

On tech sites, propaganda is spread by a Ukrainian.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/how-to-mine-flux-or-any-major-coin-with-your-cpu.290527/page-2#post-4678590

Wonder if he realizes that new government is being formed?

https://tass.com/world/1384653

So still some fighting in Almaty but I guess issue is more or less localized to that city and the authorities will continue to clamp down till they capture or remove remaining scum.

It seems that Russia understands very well the importance of not being seen by the Kazakh people , as acting against them . The vast majority were peacefully demonstrating . A few were rioting and burning and looting . And an absolute minority were armed insurgents , shooting and killing . And I think , distinction should be made , in the approach towards them .

I saw the uniforms of what I think were Kazakh military uniforms . I also saw the uniforms of the CSTO soldiers going into the plane . And they looked similar green colours . I think uniform of CSTO , maybe the colour of Helmet or soft hat , could change . To distinguish them from local forces .

In this way , if local forces , acting under political local conditions , do something , then they can not be confused with CSTO forces , as far as the public concerned . In this way the public can not be misled into thinking that the CSTO are doing this or that by media or false propaganda . Like the UN blue helmets . Could be yellow helmets ?

PapaDragon wrote:

Oh Pasha, how times have changed....

He was on the edge of rope&lattern scenario not so long time ago. That helps with priorities. Give him some space, bud!

Moral of the story here actually is -
don't forget to take out an insurance policy

Maybe shi did, and just trying ... you know ...

https://www.rt.com/russia/545367-kazakhstan-authorizes-lethal-force/

This is what I hate about RT. They aren't flicking protestors at this point.

I've asked this question but received no answer. Has Almaty more or less been surrounded and control of flow of people coming in and out?

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13369897

Kyrgyzstan has signed that they are sending 150 troops and some equipment to Kazakhstan under CSTO operation.