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    Post  TMA1 Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:03 am

    The founder of trust trustbridge need further looking into. One of the first things I saw was an article from their foundation complaining about a recent law passed in india that limits/sets rules for foreign funding of organizations in India. Sounds eerily similar to the kind of anti NGO/foreign influence stuff talked about with Georgia.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:19 am

    India must detach from Russia. Exports, IT, or education, its interests lie with the West

    Hilarious... cut ties with a growing developing power and the other BRICS countries that are also moving ahead, and attach your future prospects to the colonial west vampire that has been gorging on third world blood sweat and mostly tears for the last 300 years.

    You might stop Americas complete collapse and they will hate you for it for bringing colour to their shores.

    Young people are stupid and are impressed by Hollywood and American bullshit promises, but at the very best they will move their most dirty and polluting industries to India that will lead to more tragedies.

    Don't think it is all racist... they made dioxins here in New Zealand for their Agent Orange and other poisons when they were no longer allowed to make them in the US because they were too dangerous to human and animal and plant life...

    When you get banned from testing shit in the US, you move the labs to China and Ukraine and Georgia and continue doing things you are not allowed to do in the US because they are so dangerous... I am sure they would love to move their labs to India... or Mexico... or anywhere else stupid enough to let them.

    The US government is pure evil and the west by extension are their enablers...

    The US will of course offer scholarships to Indians and Georgians and Russians to convince them how wonderful the west is and that they need new governments... it is how they work.

    Their problem is that as the US dollar ceases to be the currency of choice because it has been used as a weapon by recent US administrations, their ability to bribe is going to collapse, so they will only have threats left...

    Dangerous times.

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    Post  franco Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:03 pm

    At least 16,071 Russian soldiers have died since Feb. 24, 2022, according to BBC Russia, which carries out a name-by-name count of the dead together with Mediazona, a Russian independent media outlet.

    One year into the war, the number of Russian military casualties verified through open sources has now surpassed the officially confirmed number of deaths of Soviet soldiers during the nine-year war in Afghanistan. Over 15,000 Soviet troops were killed in Afghanistan from 1979 until 1989.

    BBC and Mediazona also identified that at least 1,366 of those killed since February 2022 were mobilized Russian conscripts. Some 40% of those had died in the past two months.

    According to the journalists, most of those killed in action were from the Sverdlovsk and Chelyabinsk regions, Bashkiria, Buryatia, and Dagestan. Russia's total irretrievable losses which include wounded, killed or missing people may amount to at least 144,500 people.

    https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/media-public-data-suggests-over-16-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-during-first-year-of-all-out-war

    OR

    The General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces reported on March 14 that Russia had lost 160,540 troops in Ukraine since the beginning of its full-scale invasion on Feb. 24 last year.

    This number includes 740 casualties Russian forces suffered just over the past day.

    According to the report, Russia has also lost 3,484 tanks, 6,789 armored fighting vehicles, 5,367 vehicles and fuel tanks, 2,519 artillery systems, 495 multiple launch rocket systems, 260 air defense systems, 304 airplanes, 289 helicopters, 2,120 drones, and 18 boats.

    https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/general-staff-russia-has-lost-160-540-troops-in-ukraine-since-feb-24-2022

    Same newspaper, same day news articles dunno

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:09 pm

    At least 16,071 Russian soldiers have died since Feb. 24, 2022, according to BBC Russia, which carries out a name-by-name count of the dead together with Mediazona, a Russian independent media outle
    One year into the war, the number of Russian military casualties verified through open sources has now surpassed the officially confirmed number of deaths of Soviet soldiers during the nine-year war in Afghanistan. Over 15,000 Soviet troops were killed in Afghanistan from 1979 until 1989.

    Comparing a low-intensity conflict with high-intensity fighting, my ass.
    Why not compare it with the level of losses in the Great Patriotic War? This roughly corresponds to ONE DAY of combat operations from 1941 to 1945.

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    Post  Hole Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:33 pm

    mobilized Russian conscripts.
    No conscripts were mobilised.

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    Post  franco Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:20 pm

    Hole Today at 11:33 am

    mobilized Russian conscripts.

    No conscripts were mobilised.


    I think they mean mobilized personnel but persist in calling them conscripts... in their defense, not a lot of difference between mobilized and conscripted in terminology.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:51 pm

    There is a large difference in semantics and it is important. Conscripts implies some 18-20 year olds. Mobilized means mobilized from the reserves. Experienced ex-contract servicemen and officers in this case.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:56 pm

    It is all about the words and meanings.

    Like this :

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    lol1 lol1

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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:27 am

    In that case the US lost almost 60 thousand conscripts in Vietnam... they still had conscription then... while every soldier Israel loses can be considered conscripts... the IDF would not exist without conscripts.
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    Post  andalusia Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:54 am

    Just saw this article a few days ago, what do you guys think of his opinion that Russian pilots are incompetent. https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/mark-kelly-russian-jets-us-drone-incident-shows-pilot-incompetence-2023-3?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16793720487498&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fmark-kelly-russian-jets-us-drone-incident-shows-pilot-incompetence-2023-3
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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:50 am

    Russian pilots are all incompetent, Putin is an idiot, and sanctions are working... it just takes more time, or more extreme sanctions... and the country that fought the Germans in WWII and won will fold like a western country told by the US to do something...

    Interesting with all the amazing satellites and spy shit there is no photos of Su-27s with nose damage from being hit by a propeller... especially as the design of the drone means the propeller is at the rear of the drone and covered by three fins that form a Y shape preventing the prop from hitting the ground on takeoff and landing...

    Hope they display the drone at some stage with all the avionics pods it might have been carrying... after they have been examined of course.

    Maybe the US should ask the Chinese if they could buy some Balloons?

    Edit:

    Would add that Smoothie noticed this guys comments and posted this:

    Boy, The Guy Is A Sore Loser.

    http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/03/boy-guy-is-sore-loser.html

    The comments section below mentioned the cable car incident in Italy where over a dozen civilians were murdered by US Navy pilots who destroyed evidence.

    No ICC then I guess...

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:46 am

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagner-group-accused-of-raping-allied-soldiers-in-the-central-african-republic?ref=scroll

    Russia’s Shadow Army Accused of Raping Their Own Allied Troops

    Russia’s army of mercenaries has been roiled by a rape scandal. And this time, the allegations are coming from soldiers who fought alongside them.

    Philip Obaji Jr.
    Published Mar. 03, 2023 4:53AM ET


    GAROUA-BOULAÏ, Cameroon—Kolimba* and Bissafi* were with about a dozen of their colleagues from the Forces Armées Centrafricaines (FACA), the armed forces of the Central African Republic (CAR), at a military base in the northeastern town of Béloko when armed men attacked around 5 a.m. on Jan. 21.

    The attackers, from the Coalition of Patriots for Change (CPC)—a fusion of major rebel groups in CAR—destroyed dozens of vehicles, burned fuel stocks and razed a nearby customs office, which is on the border with Cameroon. Two mercenaries from the Russian Wagner Group deployed to CAR and at least two other civilians were killed in the incident. The local soldiers, including Kolimba and Bissafi, were lucky to escape death, simply because they hid themselves rather than take on the militants.

    “If we [FACA] decided to engage them in a gun battle, we would have been dead because they were more in number and better armed than us,” Kolimba told The Daily Beast. “The Russians who decided to take on the rebels were killed.”

    In recent weeks, the CPC has stepped up its attacks on the Wagner Group and FACA, targeting Russian paramilitaries and Central African soldiers stationed in communities on the border with Cameroon and Chad.

    Formed in December 2020 by six armed opposition groups that sought to disrupt the 2020–21 Central African general election, the CPC has gone ahead to seize a number of major towns, and even got close to capturing the capital, Bangui. But the group's advance stalled after government forces, backed by Wagner Group, mounted a counteroffensive. Despite being unable to overcome the armed forces protecting the seat of government, the CPC remains a threat to FACA and Wagner troops in other parts of the country.

    Kolimba and Bissafi, who said he was almost killed in Béloko after rebels opened fire at the vehicle he was in, were happy they survived one hell—but the two men had no idea another one soon awaited them.

    In the evening of Jan. 28, about a dozen Russian Wagner mercenaries, seeking to avenge the killing of their colleagues, allegedly ordered Kolimba and Bissafi to accompany them to the nearby Pendere village, where they believed CPC rebels were taking refuge, according to the two FACA soldiers. Once they arrived in Pendere, they said, the Russians began to burn down houses, shoot sporadically, and vandalize shops and storehouses.

    “Several people were killed [by the Russians],” said Bissafi. "They were slaughtering people like animals."

    Yassan Ndokomandji, a local hunter in Pendere, told The Daily Beast that he counted up to a dozen dead bodies littered on the streets after the incident had occurred. “The victims were men, women, and children,” he said.

    At the heart of the village, the Wagner mercenaries manhandled a local Pendere chief, according to Kolimba and Bissafi, who said the chief was pushed to the ground before having his hands and feet tied with a CAR national flag.

    “Somehow, the chief untied himself while no one was watching and ran into a nearby bush,” said Kolimba. “When the Russians sighted him from afar running into the bush, they fired at him but the bullets missed him.”
    Confronting Wagner

    According to Kolimba and Bissafi, the Russians then stormed a compound and marched men and women—who were separated from their children—out of their homes to a number of waiting pickup vehicles packed outside.

    “We felt for the children who were crying when their parents were forced out of their homes, so we summoned up the courage to plead with the Russians to let the men and women go,” said Bissafi. “Unfortunately, that was when our problems began.”

    Rather than listen to the plea of the local soldiers, Kolimba and Bissafi said the Wagner mercenaries turned around and accused the two men of working as spies for the rebels. Six Wagner mercenaries, they said, marched them to a nearby bush, beat them up and tied them to a tree. Hours later, under the cover of darkness, the Russians allegedly returned—and raped them.

    “We tried to plead for mercy but they covered our mouths with duct tape so that we wouldn't be able to talk,” said Bissafi. “It was a painful act I've never experienced before.”

    The Russians, the soldiers said, molested them for roughly half an hour, after which the Wagner mercenaries left their victims tied to the tree, with their mouths still covered with duct tape. “The following morning, a hunter who was passing by saw us in our terrible situation and rescued us,” said Bissafi.

    In the last decade, abuses by armed actors have become common in CAR, which has been marked by instability and authoritarian rule since it gained independence from France in 1960. Following a coup in 2013, state institutions collapsed, and a civil war running along ethnic and religious divides broke out. The elections in 2016, which led to the emergence of President Faustin-Archange Touadéra, signaled a milestone in efforts to rebuild state institutions, but all attempts to address the fundamental problems in CAR have failed, and the country's leaders have continued to exploit the conflict for selfish political and economic gain.

    The Wagner Group, which landed in the country in 2018 to help the government fight armed rebels, have contributed in plundering the nation's resources and committing grave human rights abuses.

    After the incident in Pendere, Kolimba and Bissafi fled to Cameroon where they now live. Their military careers, for now, have been halted. “Our safety is what’s important for now,” said Kolimba. “We fear that we may get killed if we return [to CAR].”

    It isn't the first time Wagner mercenaries would be accused of raping male FACA personnel. Roughly a month ago, Corbeau News Centrafrique, one of CAR’s best-known independent news outlets, reported that a group of Russian paramilitaries “sodomized” a CAR soldier in the central town of Digui in early January. The incident, according to the outlet, provoked the victim’s colleagues and triggered a violent clash between CAR soldiers and Wagner mercenaries, leading to the death of three Russians and four FACA soldiers.

    “We’ve heard rumors in the past about the Russians raping FACA soldiers but we didn’t really believe them at the time,” said Kolimba. “It was when they assaulted us that it dawned on us that what we heard in the past might have been true.”

    The Daily Beast reached out to Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin for comments, but emails sent to Concord Management, a company majority-owned by Prigozhin, went unanswered.

    There have been other reports of Russian-linked forces raping men and boys living in conflict zones. Last May, the United Nations said it had received reports “about sexual violence cases against men and boys in Ukraine” but feared such cases may be more common than has been officially reported because “it’s often even harder for men and boys to report” the crime.

    The victims in CAR said they spoke out in the hopes that it would motivate other victims to speak out. All they want is to bring an end to the excesses of the Wagner Group.

    “If we don’t expose these Russians, more people would fall victims,” said Bissafi. “Now that we’ve spoken out, other soldiers would be extremely careful when dealing with them.”

    *The names of these sources have been changed for fear of retribution.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 am

    Hahaha... how desperate they are becoming...

    The daily fail has competition for who can make up the story that is the most useful fertiliser...

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:15 am

    Hahaha... how desperate they are becoming...

    The daily fail has competition for who can make up the story that is the most useful fertiliser...

    That and inserting their own sexual deviancy everywhere

    They can't help themselves

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:24 am

    For them it is easy... just write honest reports of what western countries are doing and change the labels to suit, whether it is Russia or China or Iran or anyone they desire at the moment.

    The best propaganda is true... but the fact that it is about your own actions needs to be hidden of course.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:40 pm

    May as well. Wink



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    Post  lancelot Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:26 pm

    Retarded video ridden with half-truths and outright falsehoods.

    The Porsche Tiger P in WW2 used twin gasoline V-10 engines coupled to electrical generators. The engines themselves were not the problem, the problem was that the electromechanical powertrain was unreliable and expensive (it needed loads of copper). The main issue was not the gasoline engines but the electrical components.
    https://www.tankarchives.ca/2018/10/porsches-tiger-victim-of-dirty.html

    The Armata platform uses an X-12 diesel engine. There were British, German, and Italian programs in WW2 with X engines for aviation. Most of these were indeed failures because the common crankshaft was unreliable. But the Rolls-Royce Exe supposedly was reliable.
    https://oldmachinepress.com/2012/11/23/rolls-royce-exe-boreas-and-pennine/

    The main problem with these engines, as well as with radials, was that they were obsoleted by much simpler turbojet engines after WW2. But in the case of a tank engine, fuel consumption is paramount, so a piston engine makes a lot more sense than a turbine one.

    He also continues to spread the falsehood that the Armata's engine broke down in the parade when the problem is the driver engaged the parking brake. There is a video of the tank rolling out on its own afterwards when they disengaged the parking brake. But of course why show that when it goes against your narrative.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:52 am

    Didn't you already post this shit on the Armata thread?

    There is a video of the tank rolling out on its own afterwards when they disengaged the parking brake. But of course why show that when it goes against your narrative.

    Indeed... never let the facts get in the way of a good lie... western politics and media 101...
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    Post  PhSt Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:42 pm

    When Russia makes claims

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    vs when NATzO makes claims  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:15 am

    Yeah, like the western headlines upset that China is extracting human organs from Chinese prisoners... but nothing about what happened in Kosovo by western allies... and probably is also happening in Ukraine... all that cannon fodder will attract the ghouls to find hard to get spare human parts... where better than a battlefield where the enemy is unlikely to shell hospitals.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:02 am

    Some fresh nonsense.
    Again, this western wet dream about India turning on Russia.

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:48 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Some fresh nonsense.
    Again, this western wet dream about India turning on Russia.

    Now Russia serves as a balancing factor in relations between India and China, as well as between India and Pakistan. Indeed, it is vitally necessary for India to betray the only ally keeping the region from war - in favor of a country that in every way wants to set the whole world on fire in order to retain its power.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:45 pm

    Sukhoi is pretty much meming these arm chair generals.  Rolling Eyes
    The only point that holds water is the lackluster numbers of Su-57s.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:56 pm

    https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/this-week-in-gaming-week-18.308012/#post-5005985

    A game created about escaping Russian conscription. Rather funny since it was Ukrainians fleeing conscription. Plenty of videos and photos.
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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:41 pm

    The only point that holds water is the lackluster numbers of Su-57s.
    From next year on they will add roughly a squadron each year.

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