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    Post  Scorpius Wed Oct 09, 2024 3:46 pm

    andalusia wrote:I want to know is this true?

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-worried-russias-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-might-sink-213097

    It's a big pile of bull shit. Why are you even bringing this shitty Western propaganda here that doesn't contain a single real fact?

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 10, 2024 4:24 am

    The name is in the web address.

    Rich white European boys club... no niggers, no women, no pets allowed.

    Keeping the first world first and keeping the second and third world in their place... delivering drinks and towels to the white first world guests.

    These are the people that think destroying entire countries might give them a commercial advantage or damage a potential rival to the point like the 1990s when they could go into the entire Soviet Union and pick up bargains for peanuts... who cares who suffers... that is life...

    These people are probably relatively happy with what is happening in the Ukraine... it is all Russians dying on both sides and they are making more money on gas sales to Europe than they have in a long time.

    The dividends for their US MIC companies will be very generous for the next few decades too.

    For decades their weapons and systems have been shiny and high tech but also inferior and overpriced, but they could hide that because they controlled the western media and they still do... with an iron grip... and yet they are having to ban news outlets because they can't control them and they are winning the propaganda war in the rest of the world.

    Al jezera was neutral for a while but now it is western intel controlled too, but India is opening all sorts of internet news channels and they are not pro west... they have demonised Russia and China but they want to use India against China so they can't demonise India just yet... it s a problem.

    And it is only going to get worse as countries that are joining BRICS are going to look at their relations with Russia and China and how BRICS has allowed them to escape the debt traps the west ensnared them in for these last few centuries and are actually finding a path to grow and develop without having to accept western ideology on gender or religion and other such quackery.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:29 am

    Not even remotely true Garry, white males are a floor rag for the real elite, same as everyone else.

    You guys can`t even exercise power in your own countries, workplaces, homes - even the bedroom!

    Nobody has it any rougher.

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    Post  kvs Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:33 pm

    The interpretation I would give Garry's statement is that the rich are a generic substitute for oppressive whitey. But the days of the rich being
    WASPs are long over. So they are not white as a whole and there are plenty of visible and invisible minorities being represented. The only fixed
    characteristic is the behaviour that Garry is describing. A privileged club of self-selected masters of universe who have a compulsion to keep the
    "proles" (which are mostly whites in western countries, for now) in their place and serving their pleasure.

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    Post  andalusia Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:34 am

    Do Russian politicians see both the Republicans and Democrats as mortal enemies of Russia? I see some on this forum criticize the left in America but I don't think the right wing is any better.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:45 am

    There is no pro Russia anti war party in the US... it just does not get votes... common sense = weakness...

    And all old boys clubs have old boys rules... keep the damn natives in their place or they might end up running the place.

    It sounds like Israeli talk... we are the chosen people chosen by god to rule and anyone who threatens that is anti semetic, or just blasphemous and needs to be discredited and destroyed.

    The 1% are old money... families for whom a billion dollars is chicken feed... if they dropped a million dollar note they wouldn't bend down for such a small amount of change.

    These are the people who will fund the Republicans and the Democrats to ensure they get their way come election time no matter who the simps vote for...

    We have the same problem here in New Zealand.... National or Labour.... they claim to be different but really they are not that far apart and both are idiots and ineffectual when it comes down to it. Both bow down to the US every chance they get.

    Not even remotely true Garry, white males are a floor rag for the real elite, same as everyone else.

    You guys can`t even exercise power in your own countries, workplaces, homes - even the bedroom!

    Nobody has it any rougher.

    Skin colour does not come in to it... they are racist but they don't like anyone who is poor... this is about Blackwater and Google and Amazon and lots of other massive companies that grow bigger all the time despite most countries having anti monopoly laws... it seems they can afford to bribe them so it doesn't matter.

    The white male is now feeling attacked from all sides because they are being told they oppress all the minorities and they are to blame for all their privilege... I am a white male and I am not really sure if I ever had any privilege at all.

    It is just all distraction... racism was all whites had only black people as their slaves so white people now owe black people... except it was never about colour in the sense that while the vast majority of slaves in the US were Black, not all the slave owners were white... they all had money and therefore could afford slaves, but not all of them were actually rich and not all of them were white. There were plenty of people who saved up all their money to buy black slaves so they could free them because they were christians and thought that was the right thing to do.

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:Skin colour does not come in to it... they are racist but they don't like anyone who is poor... this is about Blackwater and Google and Amazon and lots of other massive companies that grow bigger all the time despite most countries having anti monopoly laws... it seems they can afford to bribe them so it doesn't matter.

    The white male is now feeling attacked from all sides because they are being told they oppress all the minorities and they are to blame for all their privilege... I am a white male and I am not really sure if I ever had any privilege at all.

    It is just all distraction... racism was all whites had only black people as their slaves so white people now owe black people... except it was never about colour in the sense that while the vast majority of slaves in the US were Black, not all the slave owners were white... they all had money and therefore could afford slaves, but not all of them were actually rich and not all of them were white. There were plenty of people who saved up all their money to buy black slaves so they could free them because they were christians and thought that was the right thing to do.

    Somebody in this forum may have all their feathers ruffled due to their personal hostility against the author of the writings below, but I see that the below writings is useful in elaborating of the situation you describe.

    In my writings on the national question I have already said that an abstract presentation of the question of nationalism in general is of no use at all. A distinction must necessarily be made between the nationalism of an oppressor nation and that of an oppressed nation, the nationalism of a big nation and that of a small nation.


    In respect of the second kind of nationalism we, nationals of a big nation, have nearly always been guilty, in historic practice, of an infinite number of cases of violence; furthermore, we commit violence and insult an infinite number of times without noticing it. It is sufficient to recall my Volga reminiscences of how non-Russians are treated; how the Poles are not called by any other name than Polyachiska, how the Tatar is nicknamed Prince, how the Ukrainians are always Khokhols and the Georgians and other Caucasian nationals always Kapkasians.


    That is why internationalism on the part of oppressors or "great" nations, as they are called (though they are great only in their violence, only great as bullies), must consist not only in the observance of the formal equality of nations but even in an inequality of the oppressor nation, the great nation, that must make up for the inequality which obtains in actual practice. Anybody who does not understand this has not grasped the real proletarian attitude to the national question, he is still essentially petty bourgeois in his point of view and is, therefore, sure to descend to the bourgeois point of view.


    What is important for the proletarian? For the proletarian it is not only important, it is absolutely essential that he should be assured that the non-Russians place the greatest possible trust in the proletarian class struggle. What is needed to ensure this? Not merely formal equality. In one way or another, by one's attitude or by concessions, it is necessary to compensate the non-Russian for the lack of trust, for the suspicion and the insults to which the government of the "dominant" nation subjected them in the past.


    Who is neglectful of this aspect of the question, or who carelessly flings about accusations of "nationalist-socialism" (whereas he himself is a real and true "nationalist-socialist", and even a vulgar Great-Russian bully), violates, in substance, the interests of proletarian class solidarity, for nothing holds up the development and strengthening of proletarian class solidarity so much as national injustice; "offended" nationals are not sensitive to anything so much as to the feeling of equality and the violation of this equality, if only through negligence or jest- to the violation of that equality by their proletarian comrades. In this case, the fundamental interest of proletarian class struggle, requires that we never adopt a formal attitude to the national question, but always take into account the specific attitude of the proletarian of the oppressed (or small) nation towards the oppressor (or great) nation


    It would be unpardonable opportunism if, on the eve of debut of the East, just as it is awakening, we undermined our prestige with its peoples, even if only by the slightest crudity or injustice towards our own non-Russian nationalities. The need to rally against the imperialists of the West, who are defending the capitalist world, is one thing. There can be no doubt about that and it would be superfluous for me to speak about my unconditional approval of it. It is another thing when we ourselves lapse, even if only in trifles, into imperialist attitudes towards oppressed nationalities, thus undermining all our principled sincerity, all our principled defence of the struggle against imperialism.

    Author: V. I. Lenin
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:48 pm

    kvs wrote:The interpretation I would give Garry's statement is that the rich are a generic substitute for oppressive whitey.   But the days of the rich being
    WASPs are long over.    So they are not white as a whole and there are plenty of visible and invisible minorities being represented.   The only fixed
    characteristic is the behaviour that Garry is describing.   A privileged club of self-selected masters of universe who have a compulsion to keep the
    "proles" (which are mostly whites in western countries, for now) in their place and serving their pleasure.


    Yes it's a transnational elite, but really they don't let African countries in or India or South America while the Eastern European countries are kept to the servant's quarters.

    But if you are born into money in the West, even from an immigrant background, or make it big on your own, then yes you can join the rich white man's club and be part of the smattering of Indian, Asian CEOs and industrialists there too.

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    Post  kvs Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:19 pm

    The white vs. black US slavery issue is utter BS. Slaves were owned by the 1%. The average American white did not own any slaves or enable
    their ownership. And in these good old days, indentured servitude was the norm. That meant a lot of whites, particularly women, were de facto
    slaves. They could be raped and killed and their "owners" would get away with it. Will all the white descendants also get "reparations"?

    This yet another divide and conquer issue for the elites (the 1%). The proles are busy fighting each other over "reparations" and a slew of other
    BS issues instead of thinking how to put the 1% in their proper place.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:41 am

    It is important to point out that slaves were not a status symbol, they were to make the lives of those who could afford them more comfortable... essentially they were the machinery and whiteware of the previous ages.

    Having a machine to wash your clothes or to pick cotton in the fields had not been invented yet so having slaves was necessary for many because the cost of wages for butlers and maids meant those that had huge mansions could not afford the staff to keep them running.

    There was no licence needed to own a slave, you just needed to be able to offer a price that the current owner accepted... when a slave became sick or was injured in a way they were of no further use I would expect many were not set free... except in the breathing sense.

    You could argue that today the rich get around slavery through paying minimum wage or hiring illegal immigrants at less than minimum wage.

    You can't build a sky scraper by yourself.... it takes lots of skills and lots of skilled and also dumb labour and paying everyone involved top dollar for their time would make it too expensive to build so many projects benefit from unpaid or low payed workers.

    The reason slavery was supported in the south of america is because that was the agricultural areas where cheap or free labour made the most difference... even a slave isn't free... you need to house and feed them.

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    Post  PhSt Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:03 pm

    NATO is intensifying its Propaganda War against Russia, this time, another Think tank (Organizations used for Propaganda by NATO) has been set up to push the narrative of "Russian Colonization" of its near abroad.

    Youtube is PART of this network of NATO Propaganda outlets since its the main hub for broadcasting these materials. At one point Youtube needs to be taken down by Destroying its servers and Deleting most of its video history Forever/ Permanently.

    At the same time, Russia needs to put more effort to putting up alternatives to Youtube like Rutube, etc. Russia needs to intensity its Propaganda offensive against NATO to balance the war of narratives.  attack

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    https://www.youtube.com/@centreforeasternstudies

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    Post  kvs Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:12 pm

    NATzO demented chutzpah propaganda. Russian "colonialism" clearly involves large territorial gains by the colonized. Kazakhstan's borders
    are grossly generous like those of Ukria. The USSR was very generous at the expense of Russia. BTW, Russians settled the Kazakh steppe
    in the 1600s before it was occupied by Kazakhs. Unlike, Israel, this is a true story. There was no ethnic cleansing involved. The notion
    that Kazakhstan would have been better off or existed at all if Russia was not involved in the region is retarded BS. Look at a historical
    atlas of Eur-Asia and see all the ethnic groups that never got countries and disappeared. Some real colonialists could have taught Kazakhs
    some true lessons about life.

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:00 pm

    https://peoplesdispatch.org/2024/10/16/greta-thunberg-became-a-danger-when-she-began-to-speak-up-for-palestine/



    Greta Thunberg became a “danger” when she began to speak up for Palestine

    Thunberg has gone from an left-liberal establishment icon to a danger flagged by the state—all due to pro-Palestine activism

    On October 8, Greta Thunberg was set to speak in the West German metropolis of Dortmund, where since May, activists and students had maintained a pro-Palestinian encampment near the university. However, giving very short notice, the Dortmund police banned the Swedish climate activist from taking part in a pro-Palestinian event.

    Thunberg reported via X, “After almost 4 months of encampment, the student Palestine encampment in Dortmund were forced by German police to take down the camp and leave, and police said they would arrest me if I went there. All this just because the students had invited me to speak at their event and I had been to a pro-Palestine protest in Berlin the day before that police has stormed.”


    Swedish climate activist Thunberg long enjoyed great popularity in the German political establishment, especially in the green and left-liberal spectrum. But with her commitment to Palestine, her left-liberal establishment appeal changed radically. As early as November 2023, she was defamed as an anti-Semite on the “Heute Show”, a satirical program on Germany’s second-largest state television channel. Since then, several mainstream media outlets have repeatedly incited hatred against her, or instituted an informal media silence on her actions and speeches.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 02, 2024 12:38 pm



    Western broken record drivel about shortages in Russia. This guy's apartment block "grocery store" is vastly better stocked than anything I have seen in
    such venues in Kanada. Kanada also does not have such apartment block food stores.

    Russians need to stop listening to filthy western liars. Right now life in Russia is much better for most Russians than for people in western utopias.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:24 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Western broken record drivel about shortages in Russia.   This guy's apartment block "grocery store" is vastly better stocked than anything I have seen in
    such venues in Kanada.   Kanada also does not have such apartment block food stores.

    Russians need to stop listening to filthy western liars.   Right now life in Russia is much better for most Russians than for people in western utopias.



    Was gonna post about this but you beat me to it, the photo below is a screenshot from one of the Propaganda videos alleging the "Skyrocketing" price of butter in Russia  Rolling Eyes

    Apparently butter prices in Russia is still way cheaper than in Canada

    ₽207  rubles is roughly equivalent to $2.94 cad, and this is one of the more expensive butter brands in Russia, there is cheaper butter in the later part of the video from Russel
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    Here is another video of a recent grocery store shopping somewhere in Siberia in case NAziTO rats claim its only prices Outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg that are affected  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:49 am

    Hahahaha.... a 500g block of butter in NZ is about $8-$9... and we export a lot of it overseas...

    Looking at a zoomed in view of the butter shown for 207 rubles it appears that is 180 gram packs, which is about $2.12 US, which would be about $3 NZ.. we don't have many actual Butter brands (New Zealand law requires it to actually be butter if you call it butter, so anything with butter like or buttery in the title isn't butter).

    The closest is probably a 110 gram pack in the $4 range, so this is cheaper than butter in New Zealand... which exports a lot of dairy products to the world.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:57 am

    They have a wide access to the Belarussian food products.
    Belarussian butter is of very high quality. If you want something similar, you must buy high-end products. Like the Irish Kerrygold, which costs about $5 for 250g. Or some fancy private-label products that are even more expensive.
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:19 am

    Very cheap prices, but what's astounding is there aren't very many fat people. Speaks volumes on the self-discipline of Russians and how health conscious they are.
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    Post  PhSt Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:15 am

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    These NAziTO FREAKS are beyond redemption. Rolling Eyes  This is why Russia needs to increase its nuke arsenal exponentially, the only way to deter NAziTO is to possess an Overkill capability that will allow Russia to destroy NAziTO countries 10x over. attack

    Btw this so-called Centre for Eastern Studies is a NAziTO think tank AKA Propaganda Outfit based in Poland Rolling Eyes

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Nov 05, 2024 4:17 am

    what are you raving about now?

    They been lying and fibbing and outright wrong for the last 2 years. They been lying even longer. They don't even know what to do anymore after the fact they got caught lying.

    So they claim they can still help Ukraine beat Russia. Yeah, good luck. They don't have the weapons or for most part, money to do it anymore.

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