While Lavrov in a recent interview said that the matter of the war isn't about territory, but about the 'rights of people living in those territories', therefore making it sound like the fate of the Donbass and Crimea as Russian territory could be a subject for negotiation after all. I don't think he meant it in that way of course given the context of the conversation, that would be too much even for our ever-compromising leadership - but it did sound pretty bad.
Really... that is what you take from what he said?
I would say that he means that land is not something that the Russian government and Kiev and the west should be horse trading like silk or spices, because it is the people who live on that land that should be deciding and their decision was made clear during a referendum and that is therefore final and not negotiable... which is kinda the opposite of what you are trying to suggest that everything is an option.
Russia keeps saying take the offer of talks because as time passes the deals Russia will accept are only going to get worse.
The minsk agreements would cost kiev the Crimea, but they would keep the rest inside their borders allowing them autonomy and to speak Russian and not be fined or killed for that, but the Istanbul agreements were a little more strict, yet still involved discussions over what to do with the four regions of the Ukraine in question... but after that those four regions had referendums and voted to join the Russian Federation so the Istanbul agreements can be a framework but those four regions are now Russian and Russian law clearly states Russian territory cannot be traded or sold... and whatever you think of Putin... he is a stickler for the law.
and perhaps instintively realizing that the West is not going to yield an inch,
Yes, their rock solid resolve... like in Afghanistan and Iraq and Vietnam.
Of course there are exceptions like Korea and Japan and Germany and Cuba and Syria, but I think once you work out why they are there they could be dislodged... America... the Barnacles of the world...
They can't keep escalating... look at their sanctions... their 15th round of sanctions was mostly sanctions on third parties that are helping Russia bypass existing sanctions... next they will be sanctioning themselves...
have instead sent their man to Moscow to see if he can convince Putin to bend in his position instead.. wonder what gave them the idea that the Russian position is less principled and more malleable than the Western one is? Rolling Eyes
I think the siege of Leningrad and Stalingrad and just WWII in general proved what pushovers Russians really are.... NOT.
How quickly the west forgets... for them it is a game to increase their power and their wealth in money and resources, but for Russia this is survival and their future.
The list includes all economically unfriendly states toward Russia.
NOTE: list includes 47 nations (Israel,Hungary and Slovakia not included)
Sad to see New Zealand on that list... this Ukraine bullshit has nothing to do with us really...
Interesting that Turkey is not on that list either.
Also interesting that Armenia and Georgia are not on the list...
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