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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:19 pm

    A lot of these posts need to be taken to the "Talking Bollocks" thread.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:American-made Stinger portable anti-aircraft missile systems, which arrived in Kiev today from Lithuania.

    More hardware for Russia to reverse engineer once corrupt Ukrainian servicemen turn the weapons over to Russia.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:02 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:American-made Stinger portable anti-aircraft missile systems, which arrived in Kiev today from Lithuania.

    More hardware for Russia to reverse engineer once corrupt Ukrainian servicemen turn the weapons over to Russia.

    And what - in details - you want to reverse engineer? Laughing Laughing Laughing
    Lower range, altitude, half the warhead mass, and a crappy homing head representing the Soviet 90s standard?

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:50 pm


    Not gonna go into early ICQ/MySpace-era argument here but this part caught my eye:

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:...Nowhere in war does it say you need to play fair or hold your punches. War isn't about being nice it's about crushing your foe until they surrender or nothing is left...

    This here is 100% 24 carat diamond truth and it's axiom that Russia should adhere to at all times instead of pussyfooting around like they have been for last century   thumbsup

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:12 am

    https://twitter.com/5thSu/status/1492828086852796421?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1492828086852796421%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
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    Post  par far Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:37 am

    lancelot wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:American-made Stinger portable anti-aircraft missile systems, which arrived in Kiev today from Lithuania.

    More hardware for Russia to reverse engineer once corrupt Ukrainian servicemen turn the weapons over to Russia.


    Russia has way more advanced weapon systems, Russia does not need to reverse engineer this crap.

    The Novorossiyan Army will likely keep it for themselves.
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    Post  Finty Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:39 am

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-13/kyiv-minister-says-situation-under-control-ukraine-update
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    Post  Krepost Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:07 am

    thegopnik wrote:https://twitter.com/5thSu/status/1492828086852796421?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1492828086852796421%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

    That is not the Cossack cavalry. That is the Mongol Golden Horde.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:56 am

    And this is the horseman of death:
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    Post  RTN Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:54 am

    flamming_python wrote:come 2024, when Putin steps down.
    He won't. And even if he does, he will appoint a loyal side kick like he did with Medvedev and after the expiry of that wackos term Putin will re appoint himself as President.

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:47 am

    China's military buildup against India surpasses Russia's buildup against Ukraine. But Blinken, speaking in Melbourne harped only on Russia's potential aggression against Ukraine while staying mum on China's ongoing aggression against India.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:05 am

    Sujoy wrote:China's military buildup against India surpasses Russia's buildup against Ukraine. But Blinken, speaking in Melbourne harped only on Russia's potential aggression against Ukraine while staying mum on China's ongoing aggression against India.

    It's because Americans lie no matter if they are trying to tell a truth or two. So don't expect them to try and be honest here.

    This should also be obvious to other Indians than yourself. But it isn't. And the Americans and Brits will still ride the Indians for everything they got.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:43 am

    Russian and Ukrainian TG channels (Pravda Ukrainy) are saying that Ukrainian oligarchs are leaving

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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:10 am

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/14/politics/biden-putin-russia-ukraine-analysis/index.html

    Oh No! Now even CNN is having second thoughts!
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    Post  Isos Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:12 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Not gonna go into early ICQ/MySpace-era argument here but this part caught my eye:

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:...Nowhere in war does it say you need to play fair or hold your punches. War isn't about being nice it's about crushing your foe until they surrender or nothing is left...

    This here is 100% 24 carat diamond truth and it's axiom that Russia should adhere to at all times instead of pussyfooting around like they have been for last century   thumbsup


    War makes you win a lot in short terms. On the long terms it is catastrophic, specially if you loose your power over time.

    Japan is still waiting to pay for its WW2 crimes. China will blow them apart once US go away and most Asian coubtries will applaud them for doing so.

    US is hated by most of the world for its wars. If they loose their place of number 1 they will hit the bottom.

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    Post  auslander Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:33 am

    Time flies when one is having fun. This is the never ending story, or should I say vomit, from SehSha news going back years.

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/02/06/cnni-ll-chance-russia-response.cnn


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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:07 am

    I love how people bring up that nighthawk kill when the reality is the pilot was stupid, took the same route every day, left their bomb bay doors open which they weren't supposed to do. Made many more mistakes

    But that doesn't matter.... even if he handed his flight path information to the Serbs and opened the canopy and had his dick hanging out the window for half the flight, the plane is supposed to be invisible to radar.... so even if he left the bomb bay doors open 10 times longer than he was supposed to it still would not be enough time to get a radar lock and launch a missile and for that missile to climb up and reach the plane and bring it down.

    Those bomb bay doors are automatic and open when the bomb release switch has been pressed and close as soon as the bomb is clear of the aircraft... this isn't a B-17 flying over half of Germany with its bomb bay doors open... this is a high tech expensive stealth aircraft and they know open bomb bay doors means not stealthy any more.

    They shot down one nighthawk due to a pilot's incompetence but their entire country got leveled and lost Kosovo, congrats that's a win for you guys alright.

    Yeah, and America claimed Francis Gary Powers had an engine flame out and had to descend to much lower altitude and that is why he was shot down, but the information from the missile battery that got him showed he was at max operating altitude when hit... a newer model of the SA-2 hit him at a height he thought he was safe at... would be the same for the F-117... you don't need support aircraft... they wont know you have been until the targets explode.... yeah right...

    But bragging you took out a moron is just sad and no I am not bragging we took out Serbia. Not a fight they could ever hope to win, so I don't blame them for losing.

    US pilots are morons?

    The US had to plead with Russia to get Serbia to the table for talks... it was more a case of Russia convincing them to throw in the Towel than actually losing anything... the US had run out of targets and wasn't hitting much in the way of military things anyway... they were getting desperate...

    Putin is only using Nato expansion as an excuse, he just doesn't want to have democracies on the Russian border.

    How would he know what that is like... are there any democracies on Russian borders?

    And this is the horseman of death:

    Is he the new Dr Who?

    I am thinking of pruning some of the bollocks out of this thread... I might do it tomorrow as it is getting late.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:22 pm

    auslander wrote:Time flies when one is having fun. This is the never ending story, or should I say vomit, from SehSha news going back years.

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/02/06/cnni-ll-chance-russia-response.cnn

    They have lost 90% of the audience from 2021.
    I guess that this is what we can call a money talks.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:09 pm

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    Post  Isos Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:11 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #32 - Page 9 FLhB7NBWUAMjyv3?format=jpg&name=small

    Actually Russia isn't the fire they show in the pic. They have no intention to destroy Ukraine the way west want you to beleive. If it was the case Russia would have attacked long time ago. In 1 week Ukraine would have been crushed.

    If there is a war they will try to kill no one. More likely they bomb hardware and scare people/soldier to accept ceasefire and surrender.

    Like I said on short terms a war would benefit Russia. But on long term ukrainian people would be allied against russians and they would always be against them. It will be unstable like Kosovo, Iraq or Tibet. That's something Russia doesn't want.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:02 pm

    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #32 - Page 9 FLhB7NBWUAMjyv3?format=jpg&name=small

    Actually Russia isn't the fire they show in the pic. They have no intention to destroy Ukraine the way west want you to beleive. If it was the case Russia would have attacked long time ago. In 1 week Ukraine would have been crushed.

    If there is a war they will try to kill no one. More likely they bomb hardware and scare people/soldier to accept ceasefire and surrender.

    Like I said on short terms a war would benefit Russia. But on long term ukrainian people would be allied against russians and they would always be against them. It will be unstable like Kosovo, Iraq or Tibet. That's something Russia doesn't want.

    There won't be an invasion of the Ukraine

    This is theater and a political contest, pretty much just that

    What will happen is what I think Arkhangelsk hinted at earlier, that the action will spread to other theaters than just the European one.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:00 pm

    Reuters said its closing its Kiev embassy and relocating its diplomatic activities (quite appropriately really) to Turd Central aka the Western Ukraine (I'm guessing Lvov).

    I remember a few months back some moronic US publication (Jamestown Institute or whatever) mentioned the US doing a deal withRussia, sort of splitting it in 2.
    I wonder... if below there surface there is some form of unspoken agreement on that.

    Personally I thinkthe Galician rats hate Russia so they should have to stomach a few Russian bases there, just as the Americans plonked Camp Bondsteel in what is really Serbia.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:15 pm

    lol1 lol1 lol1
    Gazprom halved the volume of gas pumped through Ukraine

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    While the whole world is discussing Russia's "invasion" of Ukraine, the Russian "Gazprom" continues to supply gas to Europe through the Ukrainian GTS, without fear of the start of hostilities on its territory, which the United States prophesies. True, the volumes of gas pumped through Ukraine have almost halved.

    "Gazprom" has almost halved the transit of gas through Ukraine compared to its contractual obligations under the agreement signed with Kiev. According to the GTS Operator of Ukraine, since last Thursday the daily volume of transit has not exceeded 58,62 million cubic meters, while Moscow has committed to pumping 109 million cubic meters per day.

    Thus, "Gazprom" again returned to the average daily indicators of about half of the contract volumes after a short-term rise at the beginning of the month. Judging by the latest reports from Europe, the company does not intend to increase volumes. Moreover, the second gas pipeline "Yamal-Europe" is generally unclaimed, pumping through it has not been going on for quite a long time.

    In the meantime, there seems to be enough gas in European UGS facilities, if there are no force majeure, the war continues in Europe around Nord Stream 2, which has become a hostage to the situation around Ukraine. The United States in the first place, and after them the European allies, threaten Russia that they will stop the gas pipeline in the event of a Russian attack on Ukraine. The frequency of references to Nord Stream 2 in the statements of Western politicians leads to the idea that the whole company with Ukraine was started by the Americans with only one goal - to prevent the launch of the Russian gas pipeline.

    By the way, David Hendrickson, a professor of political science at Colorado College, came up with such an idea, suggesting that all история with the "attack" on Ukraine is inflated only because of Nord Stream 2.

    https://en.topwar.ru/192270-gazprom-vdvoe-snizil-obem-prokachivaemogo-cherez-ukrainu-gaza.html

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    Post  Isos Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:26 pm

    Off topic question. 50 and 100 million m3 per day looks huge. What are russian gas reserves ?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:27 pm

    Chinese professor: Washington started its own information operation on Russian troops and Ukraine so that investors would withdraw capital from Europe

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    A major Chinese edition of the Global Times published an article in which Chinese observers analyze what is happening in Ukraine and around it. At the same time, the analysis of Chinese authors is fundamentally different from what Western media write about this.

    In an article by columnists Shen Yang and Keiyu Xu, the American information pressure is becoming more and more intrusive.

    It is noted that in recent years there has been nothing like this - when one country is constantly accused of being ready to attack another country just about, against the background of the fact that the authorities deny anything like that. Chinese authors write that not only Russia, but also, remarkably, Ukraine, denies the fact of preparations for the start of the offensive of the Russian troops. President Volodymyr Zelensky has been saying this for the past few days, expressing bewilderment at information attacks from the West.

    Based on the current situation, referring to experts, Global Times observers conclude that the United States is deliberately escalating the situation, artificially raising the degree of the Ukrainian crisis.

    From the material:
    Washington needs a Ukrainian crisis to not only legitimize its military presence in Eastern Europe, but also to damage the European economy.

    The publication of the Chinese embassy in Kiev in WeChat, addressed to Chinese citizens located on Ukrainian territory, is given. Chinese diplomats do not call on those to leave Ukraine, as Western authorities do, but speak of the need to "be vigilant in connection with the actions and calls of the United States and other NATO countries." Not a word is said about the "possible offensive of Russia".

    The article contains the opinion of a Chinese specialist in international relations from Renming University, Jin Kanzhong. According to him, Russia has absolutely no interest in invading Ukrainian territory. This can happen only in one case: if Kiev itself attacks the Crimea or Donbass.

    Jin Kanzhong:
    This means that all these words and actions of the United States should be considered as the realization of American interests.

    Professor of the Institute of International Relations of the People's Republic of China Li Haidong is inclined to share this opinion. At the same time, he explains why the United States might need it:
    The most reasonable explanation is that such a situation can lead to the withdrawal of European capital into financial structures controlled by the United States. This will help mitigate the inflationary risks the US faces today. Americans have done such things before.

    According to the Chinese professor, the European market has become strong in recent years and claims to be independent in choosing financial and trading partners. This may not be to Washington's liking. It was precisely in order to make investors panic and begin to divert their capital from the European economy to the United States that Washington started an information operation on Russia's alleged preparation of an "attack on Ukraine" and an "increased threat to Europe."

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