Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

par far wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

par far wrote:The sanctions that the west has imposed are talked about.

The west has sanctioned bank and individuals that were already sanctioned.

The west did not sanction Russian oil, gas or food imports.

Another point is, if Russia has control of Ukraine(they have no plans to occupy Ukraine), than Nord Stream 2 becomes irrelevant.

The newest sanctions are on the president and foreign Minister though specifically. Which in most cases is classified as a declaration of war.

Sorry I was editing.


The sanctions on Putin and Larov are on the assets they own in west(which is nothing), it does not stop them from coming to the west on diplomatic missions.

That's what I thought. I kept trying to find something but even Russian news is total garbage and isn't saying what the sanctions are.

If Putin keep its air force out of the cobflict and keep sacrificing its best forces on the ground the armed forces may turn their back to him.

Even if Ukraine adds a lot of propaganda, russian forces are loosing too much people.

The story of the il-76 may actually be true. If it is and the plane was full of paratroopers, it will be verry badly for him.

They clearly haven't cleared the ebemy AD and air force. Ukraine has only a couple douzeb of planes in flayble condition. Su-30 should behubying them and they shouldn't send il-76 in a contested air space. That's a sitting duck.

Isos wrote:
The story of the il-76 may actually be true. If it is and the plane was full of paratroopers, it will be verry badly for him.

Why do you think its true?

If it is true then Putin needs to be kicked to his balls.

Isos wrote:If Putin keep its air force out of the cobflict and keep sacrificing its best forces on the ground the armed forces may turn their back to him.

Even if Ukraine adds a lot of propaganda, russian forces are loosing too much people.

The story of the il-76 may actually be true. If it is and the plane was full of paratroopers, it will be verry badly for him.

They clearly haven't cleared the ebemy AD and air force. Ukraine has only a couple douzeb of planes in flayble condition. Su-30 should behubying them and they shouldn't send il-76 in a contested air space. That's a sitting duck.

You are actually one of the more sensible members here. It’s obvious that contrary to their claims a good chunk of Ukrainian airforce is still operating.

Russia has very little experience in SEAD and DEAD. It may just be a painful lesson. But a lot of Ukrainian claims are also bullshit obviously.

Hole wrote:


More stuff coming from Crimea.

Good ole' TOS-1, and I know Werewolf was (and probably still is) a big fan of their footage. All I know is the Ukronie Nazi's will be screaming "Hohol...Holy Hell!!!" when TOS-1 baptizes the orcs in hellfire and brimstone!

Isos wrote:If Putin keep its air force out of the cobflict and keep sacrificing its best forces on the ground the armed forces may turn their back to him.

Even if Ukraine adds a lot of propaganda, russian forces are loosing too much people.

The story of the il-76 may actually be true. If it is and the plane was full of paratroopers, it will be verry badly for him.

They clearly haven't cleared the ebemy AD and air force. Ukraine has only a couple douzeb of planes in flayble condition. Su-30 should behubying them and they shouldn't send il-76 in a contested air space. That's a sitting duck.

This is in such contradiction with any nations airborne operations.
Ukraine's propaganda is currently outperforming Bagdad bob.

Evidence, or it did not happen.

Nothing Personal Isos of course.
its just i dont want to go trough all the reasons why this does not make any millitary sense from the russian airborne side.

Airbornewolf wrote:

Isos wrote:If Putin keep its air force out of the cobflict and keep sacrificing its best forces on the ground the armed forces may turn their back to him.

Even if Ukraine adds a lot of propaganda, russian forces are loosing too much people.

The story of the il-76 may actually be true. If it is and the plane was full of paratroopers, it will be verry badly for him.

They clearly haven't cleared the ebemy AD and air force. Ukraine has only a couple douzeb of planes in flayble condition. Su-30 should behubying them and they shouldn't send il-76 in a contested air space. That's a sitting duck.

This is in such contradiction with any nations airborne operations.
Ukraine's propaganda is currently outperforming Bagdad bob.

Evidence, or it did not happen.

Nothing Personal Isos of course.
its just i dont want to go trough all the reasons why this does not make any millitary sense from the russian airborne side.

I'm not saying it happened. I'm saying If it happened then...

Putin has sent its best forces without real support neither from artillery nor air force.the military leadership must be already angry at that.

If the story about the il76 is true then he will loose credibility. And para in the south wouldn't be surprising since they try to encircle kiev right now and they mostly used them there and spetznaz teams.

But it would be also very bad for ukraine. Russia would then carpet bomb on all fronts.

How can the military leadership be angry at Putin. Putin gives the order and the military leadership decides what it takes to fulfil that order, not Putin himself. If an objective is not achieved they should be angry at themselves for not thinking the situation thoroughly and choosing a poor course of action.

People bought in completely the propaganda from analyst clowns aka grifters saying Ukraine would fall within 2 days this or that. I was never ever going to be easy... anyone with a fucking brain that's not a sheeple seeking guidance in the brains of others knew that.

You're rambling based on some unconfirmed report. The stress clearly getting to you for lack of saying... you're easily susceptible to propaganda and lack critical thinking skills.

We sure have a lot of koolaid drinking Bagdad Bobski's piling in here. Its almost like they are listening to Ukraine sourced propaganda spilling out with the help of Washington.

summary for today:

Kherson: liberated
Nikolaev: fighting taking pace in outskirts
Konotop: taken by Russians
Chernigov: blocked by all sides by Russian forces
Melitopol: surrounded
Mariupol: is under attack, street fighting
Severodonetsk: under attack
Kharkov: very heavy mopping up operation
Suma: mopping up operations
Kiev: blocked from the West and under attack, the authorities are distributing weapons
Gostomel airport has been captured by Russian forces
Zaporozhie: Russian forces expected there tomorrow
A land corridor from Crimea to Russia should be opened by tomorrow.
Odessa: big question mark – so far, not Russian attacks reported (that I know of)

Where are the orlan to hunt those systems ? They have a fucking huge factory andbproduce them like cakes.

Isos wrote:If Putin keep its air force out of the cobflict and keep sacrificing its best forces on the ground the armed forces may turn their back to him.

Even if Ukraine adds a lot of propaganda, russian forces are loosing too much people.

The story of the il-76 may actually be true. If it is and the plane was full of paratroopers, it will be verry badly for him.

They clearly haven't cleared the ebemy AD and air force. Ukraine has only a couple douzeb of planes in flayble condition. Su-30 should behubying them and they shouldn't send il-76 in a contested air space. That's a sitting duck.

Clearing out all manpads are more or less impossible. a stinger or strela can be stored in a basement close to an airfield or FARP for helis.  Then and a person in civilian clothes shoots it at a plane or helicopter on finals for landing , and then hides back in the basement.  There will continue to be airplane losses as long as air operates below 3000m. it is just a fact of modern combat. The airplanes might very well be operating from improvised highway airstips, changing where they land every couple of hours with mobile rearm and refuel teams. The mig-29 and Su-25 is capable of this. and all of this is tactics that have developed long ago and very hard to counter.

Footage of an alleged Ukrainian fighter jet named 'the Ghost of Kyiv' is from a simulation game, fact-checkers report

Singular_Transform wrote:Ebay killing all russian / ukrainan seller as I see.

What do you mean?

Makes no sense.

Backman wrote:We sure have a lot of koolaid drinking Bagdad Bobski's piling in here. Its almost like they are listening to Ukraine sourced propaganda spilling out with the help of Washington.

summary for today:

   Kherson: liberated
   Nikolaev: fighting taking pace in outskirts
   Konotop: taken by Russians
   Chernigov: blocked by all sides by Russian forces
   Melitopol: surrounded
   Mariupol: is under attack, street fighting
   Severodonetsk: under attack
   Kharkov: very heavy mopping up operation
   Suma: mopping up operations
   Kiev: blocked from the West and under attack, the authorities are distributing weapons
   Gostomel airport has been captured by Russian forces
   Zaporozhie: Russian forces expected there tomorrow
   A land corridor from Crimea to Russia should be opened by tomorrow.
   Odessa: big question mark – so far, not Russian attacks reported (that I know of)

Sure but at what cost?

UAV's are not part of Russian operational plans for this operation. They just recently came online and battle strategies are being experimented with in Syria. There's only a likelihood we may see them post battle to monitor landmass for runaways and cells.

As such, Russian command was clearly not comfortable adding another coordinating layer to their operation. It's clearly, a huge, and I mean HUGE miss since drone warfare has proven tremendously effective for urban warfare and disruption operations.

That is what happens when a MIC stays behind on tech. All it really means is that progress will be slower in certain theaters of combat, and perhaps more casualties on the Russian side.

The old Soviet men, after this operation is over must past the baton. It's a new age, requiring new brains.

Backman wrote:Footage of an alleged Ukrainian fighter jet named 'the Ghost of Kyiv' is from a simulation game, fact-checkers report

yes, Ukrainian Bagdad bob took a look at his sons games on Steam, and saw Arma and DCS look at first glance convincing if you lower the resolution to potato-cam at 240/360 pixels .

Backman wrote:We sure have a lot of koolaid drinking Bagdad Bobski's piling in here. Its almost like they are listening to Ukraine sourced propaganda spilling out with the help of Washington.

summary for today:

   Kherson: liberated
   Nikolaev: fighting taking pace in outskirts
   Konotop: taken by Russians
   Chernigov: blocked by all sides by Russian forces
   Melitopol: surrounded
   Mariupol: is under attack, street fighting
   Severodonetsk: under attack
   Kharkov: very heavy mopping up operation
   Suma: mopping up operations
   Kiev: blocked from the West and under attack, the authorities are distributing weapons
   Gostomel airport has been captured by Russian forces
   Zaporozhie: Russian forces expected there tomorrow
   A land corridor from Crimea to Russia should be opened by tomorrow.
   Odessa: big question mark – so far, not Russian attacks reported (that I know of)

Wait, just two things, can you confirm they are right?

Recent reports state that:

Kherson - still fighting going on
Melitopol - Russian control, some videos of columns moving. Earlier, there was a video of T-72 destroying Ukrainian T-62.

It's like two cities were mixed up, are you correct about that?

ATLASCUB wrote:UAV's are not part of Russian operational plans for this operation. They just recently came online and battle strategies are being experimented with in Syria. There's only a likelihood we may see them post battle to monitor landmass for runaways and cells.

As such, Russian command was clearly not comfortable adding another coordinating layer to their operation. It's clearly, a huge, and I mean HUGE miss since drone warfare has proven tremendously effective for urban warfare and disruption operations.

That is what happens when a MIC stays behind on tech. All it really means is that progress will be slower in certain theaters of combat, and perhaps more casualties on the Russian side.

The old Soviet men, after this operation is over must past the baton. It's a new age, requiring new brains.

After this war Russian military and its operations will drastically change. Suicide drones if wasn't already used, will be quite common because Kalashnikov is already delivering them to the military.

It's a question of time when Okhotnik and other UCAVs will replace old Su-25/24 bomb trucks.

Did Russia say they aren't going to use combat drones in the Ukraine? If not then why say they won't when it's barely been 48 hours since they started their operation. I swear its like people just go full-retard when it comes to Russia, detractors and proponents alike.

You can bet they are using UAV recon. Now they might not be using UAV strike aircraft because they don't have very many of them.

Ukrop propaganda exposed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1497329762729091078?s=20&t=z14BV0yhxyXalcQw7qwD5A

Nazi posing as Russian pow. Redditors eat this shit up unfortunately

I think most people are questioning why Russia is not swinging haymakers and smashing the enemy

They see Russia sort of tip toeing through Ukraine and it irks people

They want the war to be over in 1 day

Then again it also means Russia has built a cloud of omnipotence and people expect Russia to maul enemies quickly

Americans took 30 days to finish the Iraqi army

Russia is 2 days into its operation and people think it should be over, iraq was not supported by Russia while Ukraine is supported by the entire west.

This is game changing warfare we see, Russia fights the largest army of europe and has taken their capital city in 2 days... people need to let it sink in.

Georgia was not even this quick, and Russia has used very small forces thus far to achieve results in only 2 days

Broski wrote:Did Russia say they aren't going to use combat drones in the Ukraine? If not then why say they won't when it's barely been 48 hours since they started their operation. I swear its like people just go full-retard when it comes to Russia, detractors and proponents alike.

Yea, we appear to have massive expectations always for Russia.
It should be able to conquer a country with almost 2 times the area of Germany and backed up by the whole west in 24 hours. Being at gates of it's capital in 48 hours is nothing and we ask why it's going so slow, Putin must have miscalculated

I'm sometimes guilty of that also.