Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

The Ottoman wrote:

Until I see pics or a video I really dont believe it. Ukrainians have been making all kinds of wild claims. So far the only video we have is their own su27 getting shot out of the sky over Kiev.

If they really downed 2 huge planes line that there would be a couple big fireballs in the sky and wreckage on the ground photographed.

Just like how they claimed they killed all those VDV at antonov airport but it was a lie.

They faked footage of Russian POVs.

And the ghost of Kiev fake story.

Until I see proof not buying it but Marco tweeting has me worried for sure.

Big_Gazza wrote:

The Ottoman wrote:Second IL76 is downed, within a hour.

Wow, some just can't keep their quivering lips from the crack pipe...

Hey.....he can not help it either it is normal there to marry your cousin.....
Genetic bottlenecking in procreation does that to you.

Jokes at the expense of trolls aside:

...where you aware you can make his posts dissapear from your feed?.
Go to his profile, hit the "add to foe" on the right side. And you no longer have to read his shit again.

Life is too short to spend it on "special people" online .

Even in the event that there are currently IL's dropping airborne troops at night I highly doubt they're being sent alone without some sort of escort to at least serve as a sacrificial shield in case of an AD attack to divert the missile attention.

I also doubt there are many AD batteries engaging them which makes the use of escorts even more favorable in case of AD fire. Big targets still get priority but yeah...

A lot of feasible explanations can explain how this can come to be. Mobile AD's hiding during the day in hideouts and only coming out at night. Intelligence of flight being passed by NATO to local command, and then relayed to mobile AD.

That's plausible.

A lot of propaganda going around however, specially when they start to stretch the truth by inflating numbers. Now it's not just one, but two, then 3.

The Ottoman wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:I think most people are questioning why Russia is not swinging haymakers and smashing the enemy

They see Russia sort of tip toeing through Ukraine and it irks people

They want the war to be over in 1 day

Then again it also means Russia has built a cloud of omnipotence and people expect Russia to maul enemies quickly

Americans took 30 days to finish the Iraqi army

Russia is 2 days into its operation and people think it should be over,  iraq was not supported by Russia while Ukraine is supported by the entire west.

This is game changing warfare we see,  Russia fights the largest army of europe and has taken their capital city in 2 days... people need to let it sink in.

Georgia was not even this quick,  and Russia has used very small forces thus far to achieve results in only 2 days

Please mate, the capital of Ukraine is next to the border of Belanus. Ofcourse Russia is surrounding Kiev (still not taken).

A very costly war. Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk was more than enough for Russia. Putin made a costly mistake.

ubran fighting is slow, kiev is a huge city. It will take days to fully expel forces from it

It would be easier to take the Ottoman's new palace than Kiev if you think about it.

Should have done it 8 years ago, but I'm no politician.

Why couldn't the russians have covertly mustered and armed the antineoliberal and anti-western oppsoition in ukraine and assisted another rebellion or coup, instead of changing the regime from the outside?

Airbornewolf wrote:
Jokes at the expense of trolls aside:

...where you aware you can make his posts dissapear from your feed?.

Oh yeah, I know. But I like to briefly dip a toe into the vast sea of nonsense from these mindless idiots, simply for the amusement and, I admit, morbid curiosity. These denizens of the shallow end of humanities weed-clogged gene pool are a great source of humour in times like this.

I still wish russia hadn't invaded and had just successfully geopolitically isolated ukraine. Biden and the warhawks wouldve been humiliated in europe and lost credibility, but now european countries are once again in lockstep with US foreign policy. The dream of Italy, spain, greece, austria and slovakia becoming Russian allies is lost

limb wrote:I still wish russia hadn't invaded and had just successfully geopolitically isolated ukraine. Biden and the warhawks wouldve been humiliated in europe and lost credibility, but now european countries are once again in lockstep with US foreign policy. The dream of Italy, spain, greece, austria and slovakia becoming Russian allies is lost

Those countries were never going to become "Russian allies", the hatred in these countries for Russia go hundreds of years.

Turkey stands with Russia

- no sanctions
- no closing of the Straits
- no aid for Ukraine
- no harsh words against Russia
- blaming the West for this escalation
- offering to mediate between Kiev & Moskow

Boris Johnson is more Turkish than Erdogan

Ghoster wrote:Should have done it 8 years ago, but I'm no politician.

It took 8 years for average Russian voter to get it into his head that world is actually not a hippie commune so this is as early as it could happen



Most comically sad thing is that the Ukraine could have been another Finland, getting easy cash from both sides had they used their brains more and drank less kool-aid

Instead they will end up as oversized Bosnia (if they are lucky)

The Ottoman wrote:Turkey stands with Russia

- no sanctions
- no closing of the Straits
- no aid for Ukraine
- no harsh words against Russia
- blaming the West for this escalation
- offering to mediate between Kiev & Moskow

Boris Johnson is more Turkish than Erdogan

Dude, do you really need me to explain this to you?

Unlike Boris and the rest of UK the Turks will have to live in that neighborhood after this

Do you really want to end up as a firebreak in someone else's war down the road?

Think, man...

Unbelievable, but the major media in my country pulled an article telling more about the "Russian tank" that run over that car in Kiev, and they then talk about the Armata.

par far wrote:

limb wrote:I still wish russia hadn't invaded and had just successfully geopolitically isolated ukraine. Biden and the warhawks wouldve been humiliated in europe and lost credibility, but now european countries are once again in lockstep with US foreign policy. The dream of Italy, spain, greece, austria and slovakia becoming Russian allies is lost

Those countries were never going to become "Russian allies", the hatred in these countries for Russia go hundreds of years.

They wouldve consistently voted not to let ukraine into NATO and deepened economic cooperation.

Also, I wish Russia didn't stoop so low to US levels. I really want the ukrainian neoliberal junta to be toppled, but I also hate NATO style unilateral agression. I just hope russia doesn't annex southern ukraine and actually does denazify and federalize the country.

I wanna ask, did you guys legetimately believe that ukraine was going to be a NATO member, given that any NATO member can veto its membership?

What does big gazza and kvs have to say about their reassurances that ukraine was a worthless shithole that doesn't need to be invaded, but now they claim the invasion was necessary?

great there is the ghost of kiev meme spreading around

thegopnik wrote:great there is the ghost of kiev meme spreading around

Yes, it started as a joke, now it's cope mechanism

Rumour of Internet around Kiev out.

About time. Stop the cancer from spreading its poison. Then cut the head of the snake, definitively.

Absolutely horrific pictures of Russian BTRs being hit with like 20 Molotovs in Kiev. It’s only day 2/3 but I think Russia has bitten off more than it can chew.

limb wrote:...I wanna ask, did you guys legetimately believe that ukraine was going to be a NATO member, given that any NATO member can veto its membership?...

Something happened during previous 6-12 months that we don't know about which is what triggered this operation

I said it before that Putin isn't some omnipotent monarch and that decisions in Russian government are made by large number of people some of whom don't even want to be in the same room with each other unless they have to

For all of them to agree on this situation would have to be absolutely critical


It's quite possible that USA was about to push through with rapid membership for the Ukraine despite opposition and to make a dash for the Russian border to establish new status quo

Russian government learning about this would be something that could make all those different suits in Moscow agree that this operation is necessary

Are there any satellite photos of Snake Island that prove or disprove the Russian attack happened? Should be east to prove/disprove.