Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

As someone said , Ukraine is different to Syria . Russia has long history with Ukraine . And this military campaign , has been remarkably free of casualties , considering the amount of ground covered . Yes 100 casualties is high per day . But very low , if war lasted two days , for a country size of Europe ! Therefore chances of reconciliation are high , once the extremists are removed from power , and elections held . Then Russia need not hand out 250 billion , to support economy . It can simply carry out similar reforms , as it did for itself , to rescue economy , post Soviet collapse . Putin has good knowledge of those reforms , that rescued Russia .

Therefore keeping a unitary state is possible . Should form the core plan . However if civil war is endemic and the resources to keep this together , is too high , then allowing for partition , may be unavoidable for Russia . But then the western part may host NATO . In that case Russia can host Nukes in the East . But that is further down the line .

Remains of the regime Su-27 brought down over the Donbass.

George1 wrote:The wreckage of the Ukrainian missile complex "Tochka-U" near Donetsk.

Pretty sure that's a civilian building in background, so it's perfectly acceptable for Ukraine to fire hugely destructive weapons such as Tochka which is capable of levelling a whole apartment block into civilian areas, but Russia gets blamed for a Ukrainian Su-27 being shot down and landing near an apartment block WTF. Unfortunately this is war there is going to military and civilian casualties but keeping civilian casualties are obviously wanted to be kept at a minimum. But it seems Ukrainian forces does want to apply that and Geneva convention.

d_taddei2 wrote:

George1 wrote:The wreckage of the Ukrainian missile complex "Tochka-U" near Donetsk.

Pretty sure that's a civilian building in background, so it's perfectly acceptable for Ukraine to fire hugely destructive weapons such as Tochka which is capable of levelling a whole apartment block into civilian areas, but Russia gets blamed for a Ukrainian Su-27 being shot down and landing near an apartment block WTF. Unfortunately this is war there is going to military and civilian casualties but keeping civilian casualties are obviously wanted to be kept at a minimum. But it seems Ukrainian forces does want to apply that and Geneva convention.

Just go on reddit and people think Russia is the only bad guy in town. They actually think all those dead civilians even mentioned by UN, in the donbass, is all fake.

People believe this shit. We got a couple of those people here too.

You will be surprised by the mental gymnastics people post.

Arkanghelsk wrote:No the Russian army already did it

Are you retarded? Have you been watching your tv ?

He's definitely suffering from Room Temperature IQ. His mother should of swallowed him and she should of drained his fathers balls dry   , instead of letting him Finnish inside her.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:No the Russian army already did it

Are you retarded? Have you been watching your tv ?

He's definitely suffering from Room Temperature IQ. His mother should of swallowed him and she should of drained his fathers balls dry   , instead of letting him Finnish inside her.

Brutal

kvs wrote:

Remains of the regime Su-27 brought down over the Donbass.

So that's a different Su-27 from the one lost over Kiev last night? Wonder what brought this one down.

PS: i think i'm wrong, it seems to be the one lost over Kiev?

The one thing that's really f*cked me off today, is how everyone on Facebook has changed their profile photo with a Ukrainian flag and suddenly become sympathetic to Ukraine and also become an expert on the conflict.

Yet they don't have a clue, not to mention that they forgot about the people of the Donbass who for the last 8 years have faced daily shelling, water, food and electricity shortages, been ostracized by Ukrainian government. Zero aid given by Western governments, and Ukraine violating the Minsk agreement daily for the last 8 years. Ukrainian government banning Russian books (which is something right out of Nazi Germany) and Zero western media coverage on any of this. But apparently that's ok? Where is the sympathy for the people of the Donbass? Just because it doesn't fit in with western governments foreign policy or western media agenda, doesn't mean that they should be ignored. Where is the so-called western democracy? Human rights? Or is the narrative that russian speaking people of the Donbass are inferior and should be eradicated? I am quite frankly disgusted by Western governments, media and the sheep (general public) have ignored and allowed the daily violations go on for the last 8yrs. So when someone mentions humanity during this conflict remind them of this.

mack8 wrote:Real face of the "glorious" ukrainian resistance: forced conscriptions at gunpoint
https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/25/man-who-fled-ukraine-on-foot-says-conscripts-are-dragged-from-families-16176793/

Like i said, if they have any spine left, they should not fight the russian troops or if they will fight, do so  against the puppet regime in Kiev and it's cronies, so that this will end as soon as possible for the good of everyone in Ukraine (except the american cronies and the banderist puppets that is).

Good to see your posts man! I remember and enjoyed your posts in the Su-30 thread, some 5-6 years back when you were posting regularly.

Now we need to see Werewolf, Cyberspec and Viktor post more regularly too!

billybatts91 wrote:From what I heard today, it seems NATO countries are still going to keep funneling weapons into Ukraine, through its western border. Anyone know how Russia can counter this? Russia can't allow a long insurgency to occur. If they annex the eastern half of Ukraine, could it solve this issue?

Target the storage areas with cruise missiles. As was initially done.
Relatively easy and very efficient.

mack8 wrote:
So that's a different Su-27 from the one lost over Kiev last night? Wonder what brought this one down.

PS: i think i'm wrong, it seems to be the one lost over Kiev?

Does not look like the right part of Kiev or even Kiev at all. Also, the video is propaganda BS with drivel about Putin, please
ignore it.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

mack8 wrote:Real face of the "glorious" ukrainian resistance: forced conscriptions at gunpoint
https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/25/man-who-fled-ukraine-on-foot-says-conscripts-are-dragged-from-families-16176793/

Like i said, if they have any spine left, they should not fight the russian troops or if they will fight, do so  against the puppet regime in Kiev and it's cronies, so that this will end as soon as possible for the good of everyone in Ukraine (except the american cronies and the banderist puppets that is).

Good to see your posts man! I remember and enjoyed your posts in the Su-30 thread, some 5-6 years back when you were posting regularly.

Now we need to see Werewolf, Cyberspec and Viktor post more regularly too!

Thanks Magnum, life got in the way, but i had to come out for this!

kvs wrote:

mack8 wrote:
So that's a different Su-27 from the one lost over Kiev last night? Wonder what brought this one down.

PS: i think i'm wrong, it seems to be the one lost over Kiev?

Does not look like the right part of Kiev or even Kiev at all.    Also, the video is propaganda BS with drivel about Putin, please
ignore it.

The Su-27 is definitely Ukr (831 squadron or regiment whatever) so that's what matters. I could vaguely make those individuals daydreaming about it being a VKS plane, but it's one of "theirs"

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Let's be very clear,  all talk of regaining Ukraine as a friend, is pure OPTIMISM

The real goals of the operation go back the ultimatum delivered by Ryabkov.

No NATO expansion, and removal of missiles

Part 1 has been solved, part 2 we are getting there very soon

NATO cannot expand , it's done

If Ukraine turns friendly , great, if not well it doesnt matter as long as it's not a NATO state

With little to no Russian casualties, the results were definitely worth it because the mission was accomplished 

Now getting the missiles out, I think that is what is going to shock many western observers on the forum

We are going to enter a period of DEFCON 1, and I hope everyone is ready for that, champions league, World cup, Eurovision, noone Will participate in it, because as I have said before, those missiles are coming out even if it takes DEFCON 1

And how does Russia achieve this without permanent military presence in Ukraine? Including the western part of Ukraine.

It's already been achieved, NATO is out of Ukraine

A piece of paper is going to keep NATO out of Ukraine?

No the Russian army already did it

Are you retarded? Have you been watching your tv ?

How did Russian army prevent Ukraine from joining NATO in the future?

What do you mean how?
I for myself expect the future Ukrainian leadership to look very different than the one at the moment. If (I doubt but hope) the rumors of west are true that Kadyrov is going after the Junta, it's days are numbered.

Russian forces entering Melitopol, no resistance.

Starobelsk and Severodonetsk under control of LPR.

Both according to ASB news.



They´re coming!

Updates

1)According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, Russia does not need the territory of Ukraine and it does not intend to stay in Ukraine, will withdraw its troops after the special operation is complete.

2)Zelensky Reportedly Asks Israeli PM to Mediate Negotiations With Russia

3)Russian Servicemen Enter Ukraine's Melitopol, Meet No Resistance - Russian MoD
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russian troops have entered the Ukrainian city of Melitopol without resistance, where they were welcomed by local residents, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

"On February 25, after the sea-borne landing near the settlement of Azovske [Ukraine], the Russian troops carried out a march and entered Melitopol without resistance," the ministry said in a statement.

"During the movement [of the Russian troops] within the city, residents of Melitopol welcomed Russian troops. Some elder residents went to the streets with red flags," the Defense Ministry added.

4) Russia FMA: US-Russia Relations Now Are Close to Point of No Return

5) Zelensky's Press Secretary: Kiev Ready to Discuss Ceasefire & Peace (15 minutes ago)

6) US Reiterates Not in Its Interest to Be at War With Russia, Will Sent No Troops to Ukraine

Kiev is going full führer.
Forced conscription of young blokes, arming civilians in the capital city as last resort etc. I fully expect them to blow up the metro tunnels where people are sheltering if/when it comes to point where they are hearing bangs at door of their bunker.

This has all prospects of going nasty even if Russia is trying to play it exceptionally nice.

Kiev doesn't show any signs of coming to their senses.

Hope some are catched alive and brought to court.

d_taddei2 wrote:Updates

1)According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, Russia does not need the territory of Ukraine and it does not intend to stay in Ukraine, will withdraw its troops after the special operation is complete.

2)Zelensky Reportedly Asks Israeli PM to Mediate Negotiations With Russia

3)Russian Servicemen Enter Ukraine's Melitopol, Meet No Resistance - Russian MoD
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russian troops have entered the Ukrainian city of Melitopol without resistance, where they were welcomed by local residents, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

"On February 25, after the sea-borne landing near the settlement of Azovske [Ukraine], the Russian troops carried out a march and entered Melitopol without resistance," the ministry said in a statement.

"During the movement [of the Russian troops] within the city, residents of Melitopol welcomed Russian troops. Some elder residents went to the streets with red flags," the Defense Ministry added.

4) Russia FMA: US-Russia Relations Now Are Close to Point of No Return

5) Zelensky's Press Secretary: Kiev Ready to Discuss Ceasefire & Peace (15 minutes ago)

6) US Reiterates Not in Its Interest to Be at War With Russia, Will Sent No Troops to Ukraine

I don't think Russia is interested to negotiate anymore as Kiev is playing games.

Do not get me started about all the faked "messages" by people.

Some dumb singer on national TV in tears singing some song "this is for you ukraine".
Indeed, like mentioned earlier lets change all our profile picture, And change our buildings in yellow-blue.

"such an powerfull signal"

"this is the ghost of Kiev, our avenging angel".

Or politicians that even dare to compare Putin to Hitler and "worst thing in europe since 1945".
If i read western (social) media more....i need an bottle of vodka to cope with all the propaganda and fake as shit people.

i have seen crazy with the reunification of Crimea, but now the propaganda machine's cogs go in overdrive.

A lot of co-workers cant shut up bringing up the war all the time.
And of course, i dont want to interact. but i have to give my opinion at some point:



several coworkers stay silent. but start emailing to ask me to alternative media sites and if i have more footage to see.
But...yes. The west has gone insane. it makes you wonder if the hard lessons of ww2 is all for nothing.

European Countries mulling an total visa ban for russian citizens was mentioned....
Seriously, what is next?. re-starting the concentration camps?. instead of an yellow star, we are going to slap an red one on them?.
Even saying such things should be enough to be removed out of politics.

NATO arms the shit out of nazi's, and let them loose on the russian speaking ukrainian population knowingly and willingly.
History is being erased and re-written to suit narratives and as long NATO does it, you better support it.
You are either for everything NATO does, or you are against them. Because the whole world is out to get NATO in their minds.

d_taddei2 wrote:Updates

1)According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, Russia does not need the territory of Ukraine and it does not intend to stay in Ukraine, will withdraw its troops after the special operation is complete.

2)Zelensky Reportedly Asks Israeli PM to Mediate Negotiations With Russia

3)Russian Servicemen Enter Ukraine's Melitopol, Meet No Resistance - Russian MoD
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russian troops have entered the Ukrainian city of Melitopol without resistance, where they were welcomed by local residents, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

"On February 25, after the sea-borne landing near the settlement of Azovske [Ukraine], the Russian troops carried out a march and entered Melitopol without resistance," the ministry said in a statement.

"During the movement [of the Russian troops] within the city, residents of Melitopol welcomed Russian troops. Some elder residents went to the streets with red flags," the Defense Ministry added.

4) Russia FMA: US-Russia Relations Now Are Close to Point of No Return

5) Zelensky's Press Secretary: Kiev Ready to Discuss Ceasefire & Peace (15 minutes ago)

6) US Reiterates Not in Its Interest to Be at War With Russia, Will Sent No Troops to Ukraine

It is a mistake if Russia withdraws and leaves Ukraine intact. Ukraine needs to be split. At its current borders Ukraine is just too big for Russia to handle. And nationalism (that wants Ukraine separated from Russia) will always come to top, in the end.

With smaller pieces, even oblasts, Ukraine is more manageable.

Do you guys think Armata should be tested now?

Airbornewolf wrote:Do not get me started about all the faked "messages" by people.

Some dumb singer on national TV in tears singing some song "this is for you ukraine".
Indeed, like mentioned earlier lets change all our profile picture, And change our buildings in yellow-blue.

"such an powerfull signal"

"this is the ghost of Kiev, our avenging angel".

Or politicians that even dare to compare Putin to Hitler and "worst thing in europe since 1945".
If i read western (social) media more....i need an bottle of vodka to cope with all the propaganda and fake as shit people.

i have seen crazy with the reunification of Crimea, but now the propaganda machine's cogs go in overdrive.

A lot of co-workers cant shut up bringing up the war all the time.
And of course, i dont want to interact. but i have to give my opinion at some point:



several coworkers stay silent. but start emailing to ask me to alternative media sites and if i have more footage to see.
But...yes. The west has gone insane. it makes you wonder if the hard lessons of ww2 is all for nothing.

European Countries mulling an total visa ban for russian citizens was mentioned....
Seriously, what is next?. re-starting the concentration camps?. instead of an yellow star, we are going to slap an red one on them?.
Even saying such things should be enough to be removed out of politics.

NATO arms the shit out of nazi's, and let them loose on the russian speaking ukrainian population knowingly and willingly.
History is being erased and re-written to suit narratives and as long NATO does it, you better support it.
You are either for everything NATO does, or you are against them. Because the whole world is out to get NATO in their minds.

I have been entertaining the idea of moving to Russia for a few years. The last 2 days have made me certain, I cant live in this clown country anymore. The hypocrazy sickens me.
I have friends in russia, and i speak a tiny bit of russian. Still not sure about how to solve the work situation..

Airbornewolf wrote:Do not get me started about all the faked "messages" by people.

Some dumb singer on national TV in tears singing some song "this is for you ukraine".
Indeed, like mentioned earlier lets change all our profile picture, And change our buildings in yellow-blue.

"such an powerfull signal"

"this is the ghost of Kiev, our avenging angel".

Or politicians that even dare to compare Putin to Hitler and "worst thing in europe since 1945".
If i read western (social) media more....i need an bottle of vodka to cope with all the propaganda and fake as shit people.

i have seen crazy with the reunification of Crimea, but now the propaganda machine's cogs go in overdrive.

A lot of co-workers cant shut up bringing up the war all the time.
And of course, i dont want to interact. but i have to give my opinion at some point:



several coworkers stay silent. but start emailing to ask me to alternative media sites and if i have more footage to see.
But...yes. The west has gone insane. it makes you wonder if the hard lessons of ww2 is all for nothing.

European Countries mulling an total visa ban for russian citizens was mentioned....
Seriously, what is next?. re-starting the concentration camps?. instead of an yellow star, we are going to slap an red one on them?.
Even saying such things should be enough to be removed out of politics.

NATO arms the shit out of nazi's, and let them loose on the russian speaking ukrainian population knowingly and willingly.
History is being erased and re-written to suit narratives and as long NATO does it, you better support it.
You are either for everything NATO does, or you are against them. Because the whole world is out to get NATO in their minds.

Sounds familiar. What country do you live in?

EkErilaz wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:Do not get me started about all the faked "messages" by people.

Some dumb singer on national TV in tears singing some song "this is for you ukraine".
Indeed, like mentioned earlier lets change all our profile picture, And change our buildings in yellow-blue.

"such an powerfull signal"

"this is the ghost of Kiev, our avenging angel".

Or politicians that even dare to compare Putin to Hitler and "worst thing in europe since 1945".
If i read western (social) media more....i need an bottle of vodka to cope with all the propaganda and fake as shit people.

i have seen crazy with the reunification of Crimea, but now the propaganda machine's cogs go in overdrive.

A lot of co-workers cant shut up bringing up the war all the time.
And of course, i dont want to interact. but i have to give my opinion at some point:



several coworkers stay silent. but start emailing to ask me to alternative media sites and if i have more footage to see.
But...yes. The west has gone insane. it makes you wonder if the hard lessons of ww2 is all for nothing.

European Countries mulling an total visa ban for russian citizens was mentioned....
Seriously, what is next?. re-starting the concentration camps?. instead of an yellow star, we are going to slap an red one on them?.
Even saying such things should be enough to be removed out of politics.

NATO arms the shit out of nazi's, and let them loose on the russian speaking ukrainian population knowingly and willingly.
History is being erased and re-written to suit narratives and as long NATO does it, you better support it.
You are either for everything NATO does, or you are against them. Because the whole world is out to get NATO in their minds.

I have been entertaining the idea of moving to Russia for a few years. The last 2 days have made me certain, I cant live in this clown country anymore. The hypocrazy sickens me.
I have friends in russia, and i speak a tiny bit of russian. Still not sure about how to solve the work situation..

A brave move. But if you want to move to Russia then please do! Hopefully you can find a nice Russian girl and with her give new babies for mother Russia. She needs them.

I live in Finland. Media here sickens me too. I made a decision today not to watch or read it anymore. Spew all the hate you want, I'm not watching it anymore.