Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

miketheterrible wrote:the Russians, Chinese, Indians and the like will be using a secondary system of their own.  So trade will continue.

Turkey will be Russia's main concern after Ukraine.

flamming_python wrote:

Urluber wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:How about stopping the invasion and going back to Russia?

Accept defeat and leave.

Better do it now than after three or ten years with thousands of more dead Russians.

It was a terrible idea to invade in the first place.

Come on.
There's no way Russia will loose this. It's just a question of why the deciding characters do not increase the airstrikes, missile strikes, artillery bombardment and so on. Are they really trusting in negotiations or just some strategy we do not understand yet. No one of us knows.

If Russia stopped the operation now it would be a total disaster. Possibly the last one. Then no one would be happy; neither the liberals nor the hardliners. And Russia still being cut off from the western systems. 90s would be nothing in comparison.
It could even lead to disarmament of Russia. Strip it off from nuclear weapons, that is. Of course "voluntarily", the western-installed guy (whoever that would be) in Kremlin would sign it in order to guarantee "the world community" Russia will never ever again threaten the world peace.
That will not happen. Russia has laid the demands on table; disarmament of Kievan forces and denazification. The mission will be fulfilled. Point of turning back has long been crossed.

That's true. No turning back now. Although I do hope somehow, that an agreement can be reached.

But Putin does need to leave after this. And stand trial eventually. Because all this shit is a massive crime, that is going to lead to misery for millions of people. Not by the hands of Russian soldiers - but then it doesn't matter, if it's Russian actions that destabilized the Ukraine to this wild extent.

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:the Russians, Chinese, Indians and the like will be using a secondary system of their own.  So trade will continue.

Turkey will be Russia's main concern after Ukraine.

Those sanctions will kill the dollar. Everyone is seeing how they use it as a weapon and how russia is doing great by getting ride of it.

They will all go for having alternative systems and using many instead of one.

EU will eat shit. Once the propaganda about Russia war doesn't interest people anymore they will start insulting the ukrainian refugees. Same hype was made during the first week of russian intervention in Syria and Crimea. After one week people get bored because what thry want in the west is sensationalist news.

They will go back to fighting over their own politics while russian sanction are taken away discretly so that it doesn't impact their balancing economies. Because to be honest europeans won't be able to live more than 1 month without russian natural ressources.

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:the Russians, Chinese, Indians and the like will be using a secondary system of their own.  So trade will continue.

Turkey will be Russia's main concern after Ukraine.

Those sanctions will kill the dollar. Everyone is seeing how they use it as a weapon and how russia is doing great by getting ride of it.

They will all go for having alternative systems and using many instead of one.

EU will eat shit. Once the propaganda about Russia war doesn't interest people anymore they will start insulting the ukrainian refugees. Same hype was made during the first week of russian intervention in Syria and Crimea. After one week people get bored because what thry want in the west is sensationalist news.

They will go back to fighting over their own politics while russian sanction are taken away discretly so that it doesn't impact their balancing economies. Because to be honest europeans won't be able to live more than 1 month without russian natural ressources.

flamming_python wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Urluber wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:How about stopping the invasion and going back to Russia?

Accept defeat and leave.

Better do it now than after three or ten years with thousands of more dead Russians.

It was a terrible idea to invade in the first place.

Come on.
There's no way Russia will loose this. It's just a question of why the deciding characters do not increase the airstrikes, missile strikes, artillery bombardment and so on. Are they really trusting in negotiations or just some strategy we do not understand yet. No one of us knows.

If Russia stopped the operation now it would be a total disaster. Possibly the last one. Then no one would be happy; neither the liberals nor the hardliners. And Russia still being cut off from the western systems. 90s would be nothing in comparison.
It could even lead to disarmament of Russia. Strip it off from nuclear weapons, that is. Of course "voluntarily", the western-installed guy (whoever that would be) in Kremlin would sign it in order to guarantee "the world community" Russia will never ever again threaten the world peace.
That will not happen. Russia has laid the demands on table; disarmament of Kievan forces and denazification. The mission will be fulfilled. Point of turning back has long been crossed.

That's true. No turning back now. Although I do hope somehow, that an agreement can be reached.

But Putin does need to leave after this. And stand trial eventually. Because all this shit is a massive crime, that is going to lead to misery for millions of people. Not by the hands of Russian soldiers - but then it doesn't matter, if it's Russian actions that destabilized the Ukraine to this wild extent.

Sure. Right after Bush, Blair, Harper, Cheney, Merkel, Sarkozy, etc all stand on trial for Afghanistan and Iraq, then we can talk. Otherwise, stop making yourself look fucking stupid. I know you are smarter than this.

Edit: should also mention Clinton and the ilk in Yugoslavia,
Somalia, Libya, Sudan, and the rest of the "uncivilized" world.

I assume you are a racist too right? They don't matter cause they aren't blond hair blue eyed European?

Again, we don't need a 2nd USA in the world

Russia will only win by being better, and becoming an alternative. As naive as this all sounds, it is the case. It's a battle for the hearts and minds of the world.

Putin should be held accountable, and by whoever comes after him

Stalin was held accountable by Khrushchev after the former died, and it had nothing to do with the West.

miketheterrible wrote:the Russians, Chinese, Indians and the like will be using a secondary system of their own.  So trade will continue.

Turkey will be Russia's main concern after Ukraine.

caveat emptor wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Urluber wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:How about stopping the invasion and going back to Russia?

Accept defeat and leave.

Better do it now than after three or ten years with thousands of more dead Russians.

It was a terrible idea to invade in the first place.

Come on.
There's no way Russia will loose this. It's just a question of why the deciding characters do not increase the airstrikes, missile strikes, artillery bombardment and so on. Are they really trusting in negotiations or just some strategy we do not understand yet. No one of us knows.

If Russia stopped the operation now it would be a total disaster. Possibly the last one. Then no one would be happy; neither the liberals nor the hardliners. And Russia still being cut off from the western systems. 90s would be nothing in comparison.
It could even lead to disarmament of Russia. Strip it off from nuclear weapons, that is. Of course "voluntarily", the western-installed guy (whoever that would be) in Kremlin would sign it in order to guarantee "the world community" Russia will never ever again threaten the world peace.
That will not happen. Russia has laid the demands on table; disarmament of Kievan forces and denazification. The mission will be fulfilled. Point of turning back has long been crossed.

That's true. No turning back now. Although I do hope somehow, that an agreement can be reached.

But Putin does need to leave after this. And stand trial eventually. Because all this shit is a massive crime, that is going to lead to misery for millions of people. Not by the hands of Russian soldiers - but then it doesn't matter, if it's Russian actions that destabilized the Ukraine to this wild extent.

Sure. Right after Bush, Blair, Harper, Cheney, Merkel, Sarkozy, etc all stand on trial for Afghanistan and Iraq, then we can talk. Otherwise, stop making yourself look fucking stupid. I know you are smarter than this.

Edit: should also mention Clinton and the ilk in Yugoslavia,
Somalia, Libya, Sudan, and the rest of the "uncivilized" world.

I assume you are a racist too right? They don't matter cause they aren't blond hair blue eyed European?

Again, we don't need a 2nd USA in the world

Russia will only win by being better, and becoming an alternative. As naive as this all sounds, it is the case. It's a battle for the hearts and minds of the world.

Putin should be held accountable, and by whoever comes after him

Stalin was held accountable by Khrushchev after the former died, and it had nothing to do with the West.

Point on Putin's accountability i agree with. Btw, full repercussions for Russia are still not known.

Finty wrote:

ArgentinaGuard wrote:war with Ukraine was inevitable, it cannot be under NATO. It would be the end of Russia.

Why?

adder wrote:India imports majority of sunflower oil from Ukraine $1.6 billion, with $235 million some from Russia. Now the black sea ports not functioning. On top of that russia raised the export tax on sunflower.
https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2245048-russias-sunoil-export-tax-to-hit-producers-exporters

With India making arrangements for rupee-ruble, if russia takes over all the black sea ports. Russia gains $1.6billion worth of sunflower oil trade with India. In turn India rupee strengthens against dollar and dollar will weaken.

Ural crude oil landed in India, this month.

kvs wrote:All of the NATzO sanctions so far have bent over backward to avoid damaging trade.  People need to pay attention to this.

kvs wrote:All of the NATzO sanctions so far have bent over backward to avoid damaging trade.  People need to pay attention to this.

rigoletto wrote:Germany to close its airspace to Russian aircraft for 3 months starting 14:00 GMT – German Transport Ministry (DPA)
[RT Telegram Channel]

3 months? I feel their airliners already started calling them.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

kvs wrote:All of the NATzO sanctions so far have bent over backward to avoid damaging trade.  People need to pay attention to this.

Look you can push your BS all you want, but the reality is Russia is going to pay HARD economical for this. You are honestly no better than the Ukrainian fanboys when it comes to damage control.

I know your trying to downplay the effects but hey

flamming_python wrote:
There is no turning back. Either Russia dezombifies the Ukraine or it doesn't.

I'm speaking about the after.

miketheterrible wrote:

rigoletto wrote:Germany to close its airspace to Russian aircraft for 3 months starting 14:00 GMT – German Transport Ministry (DPA)
[RT Telegram Channel]

3 months? I feel their airliners already started calling them.

Europe is funny.  So Russia will have no issue still flying to Asia and Africa but Europe is gonna have trouble flying to Asia.

thegopnik wrote:TB2 destroys target? https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497997019515961347?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497997019515961347%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sinodefenceforum.com%2Ft%2Fukrainian-conflict-developments.8899%2Fpage-614