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kvsEstonia's inflation (CPI) hit about 19%. I don't recall any sanctions attack. Fun times in the "normal" countries.
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Russia and economic war by the west
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Estonia's inflation (CPI) hit about 19%. I don't recall any sanctions attack. Fun times in the "normal" countries.
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The post above is the usual BS from professional Russia haters (note the Poland-Ukria flag). Russia's military
operation has zero dependence on natural gas and oil sales to EU-tardia. Zero.
operation has zero dependence on natural gas and oil sales to EU-tardia. Zero.
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kvs wrote:Hole wrote:https://thesaker.is/europes-mad-ban-on-russian-oil/
The story here is that EU-tard quislings of the US deep state operate under the delusion that Russia's economy will fail long before
any of the consequences of their sanctions bite them in the ass. Russia was supposed to fail by April but now these NATzO clowns
plan for it to fail by fall of 2022.
This fall, NATzO's EU district will be in for the shock of its existence. I think that the doubling down will crumble when the pain arrives.
I guess it has more to do with the fact that they still think that they´re the masters of the universe. They are unable to think that Russia could
easily retaliate.
They ban russian media, Russia does the same with western MSM. They freak out. How dare Russia does this!
They evict russian diplomats. Russie does the same. They freak out. Evil Russian think they are on par with us! How dare...
Now they think they can just ban oil import from Russia and the government there accepts it. After the counter-move from Russia
they will react as always. How dare...!
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kvs wrote:The post above is the usual BS from professional Russia haters (note the Poland-Ukria flag). Russia's military
operation has zero dependence on natural gas and oil sales to EU-tardia. Zero.
Even if the mentioned costs were true, by now the whole operation had cost less then the western taxpayers had to spend on one week in Afghanistan.
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kvs wrote:The post above is the usual BS from professional Russia haters (note the Poland-Ukria flag).
it wasn't really a good idea to mix blue yellow and red colours on flags ... when you mix such colours you got shitty brownish. Perhaps it was just a reference to a quality of news?
Finally good news! end of fckn industrial espionage and "auditor's shakedowns" on Russian companies.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-08/u-s-bans-accounting-services-to-russia-in-new-sanctions-package
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That is a very good comment, and actually, I would really like to see that either.
Let him behave for a month in a way that is being told about him.
But again, he obviously won't, being one of the sanest and most pragmatic politics ever.
Let him behave for a month in a way that is being told about him.
But again, he obviously won't, being one of the sanest and most pragmatic politics ever.
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How can Russia overcome the sanction by the West for making tanks without semiconductors?
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-cant-make-more-tanks-because-of-this-key-sanction-biden-official-says-204705566.html
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-cant-make-more-tanks-because-of-this-key-sanction-biden-official-says-204705566.html
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Sounds like baloney. The Russian military industrial complex has been under Western sanctions since 2014.
How many semiconductors do you think you need to make a couple hundred tanks anyway?
Each tank probably needs less semiconductors than your average smartphone.
The really hard to source military grade imports, like the thermal sensors, have been banned and substituted a long time ago.
Any other commonly available semiconductors will be necessary in such minute amounts they can easily be acquired and fly under the radar.
How many semiconductors do you think you need to make a couple hundred tanks anyway?
Each tank probably needs less semiconductors than your average smartphone.
The really hard to source military grade imports, like the thermal sensors, have been banned and substituted a long time ago.
Any other commonly available semiconductors will be necessary in such minute amounts they can easily be acquired and fly under the radar.
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andalusia wrote:How can Russia overcome the sanction by the West for making tanks without semiconductors?
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-cant-make-more-tanks-because-of-this-key-sanction-biden-official-says-204705566.html
Operative words is a "biden official says"
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You are aware Russia makes semiconductors, right?
A tank doesn't need a 14nm intel processor.
Their 180nm and down to 65nm is more than enough for producing what they need for military equipment.
Russias military been rather self sufficient for most part in making semiconductors and microbolometers for the equipment for quite a few years now.
A tank doesn't need a 14nm intel processor.
Their 180nm and down to 65nm is more than enough for producing what they need for military equipment.
Russias military been rather self sufficient for most part in making semiconductors and microbolometers for the equipment for quite a few years now.
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Thanks for the responses from people better informed than me; I am glad that Russia is not weak in this regard. I hope Russia is able to eventually defeat the Western financial control of the planet by the West. However, the US will not go down lightly and will eventually go to war with both Russia and China which will be World War III to keep the status quo. I think Russia and China will present a much tougher challenge than Iraq, Syria or any of the other country the US likes to bully.
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sepheronx wrote:You are aware Russia makes semiconductors, right?
A tank doesn't need a 14nm intel processor.
Their 180nm and down to 65nm is more than enough for producing what they need for military equipment.
Russias military been rather self sufficient for most part in making semiconductors and microbolometers for the equipment for quite a few years now.
And what they lack, will be purchased in China, Malesia, and South Korea, until they will build facilities to make it locally.
Maybe those whistleblowers who predict the inevitable collapse of the Russian MIC would be so kind and explain first how in detail 40 years of sanctions put on Iran worked in that matter. They can start with a line of Iranian UAV, UCAV, SAM proving those nonexistent. That could be a hell of a fun.
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However, the US will not go down lightly and will eventually go to war with both Russia and China which will be World War III to keep the status quo. I think Russia and China will present a much tougher challenge than Iraq, Syria or any of the other country the US likes to bully.
When the rest of the world (ie the world except the "West") stops accepting US dollars the power of the US will rapidly diminish to the point where even western countries will likely stop accepting it in fear they might get dumped with currency they can't spent in the rest of the world in trade for their currency which the US can spend in the rest of the world... ie Americas problem becomes a problem for the rest of the west but not for the US... the way they handle most of their problems... just look at US relations with Russia and China in that regard...
The point is that when they can't buy what they need they are going to have to start stealing it... or accept an military power decline like the UK and France and Germany and Japan have accepted.
Attacking Russia or China would be to sign their own death warrant and I don't think that would happen... their would likely be a civil war first.
And good point ALAMO... when was the last time Sanctions actually worked... they claim it is a measure to force a country out of line to come back into line with the international community... but actually it is really just petty punishments for countries that don't conform to US demands...
The west knows that economic damage can be more effective than a military strike... especially if you can get your 5th columnists to convince the locals that it is their leaders that are the problem and not the innocent and friendly west that imposed the sanctions... after all they had no choice right?
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In the case of big countries like Russia, or even Iran - the ones that own something worth trading - the real goal of sanctions is to make the people suffer.
Nothing else. Push the people into misery, and fight the regime with their hands, throwing the countries into a civil war.
Nothing else. Push the people into misery, and fight the regime with their hands, throwing the countries into a civil war.
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Smile anyone? That's 35 aircraft missing their engines and their deadlines.
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This chart is just about the scaryist I have seen. There is a cost element in more items and activities than gas.
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The TuAF planes are A-400M
Prof. Michael Tanchum
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Def Min. Akar discusses aircraft, commercial ships with Ukrainian counterpart
Two of #Turkey's military cargo aircraft stranded in Kiev since #RussiaUkraineWar
22 Turkish cargo ships stranded at #Ukraine's #BlackSea coast
https://hurriyetdailynews.com/defense-minister-discusses-aircraft-commercial-ships-with-ukrainian-counterpart-173677
#UkraineWar
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Def Min. Akar discusses aircraft, commercial ships with Ukrainian counterpartTwo of #Turkey's military cargo aircraft stranded in Kiev since #RussiaUkraineWar 22 Turkish cargo ships stranded at #Ukraine's #BlackSea coasthttps://hurriyetdailynews.com/defense-minister-discusses-aircraft-commercial-ships-with-ukrainian-counterpart-173677
#UkraineWar
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JohninMK wrote:This chart is just about the scaryist I have seen. There is a cost element in more items and activities than gas.
That´s the dark side of financializing everything.
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JohninMK wrote:The TuAF planes are A-400M
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https://hurriyetdailynews.com/defense-minister-discusses-aircraft-commercial-ships-with-ukrainian-counterpart-173677
#UkraineWar
The guy is talking to the wrong side.
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I'm not sure why they did it but it will certainly get the EU's attention.
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GAZPROM SAYS IT RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM UKRAINE THAT IT WILL STOP GAS TRANSIT TO EUROPE VIA SOKHRANIVKA FROM 0700 LOCAL TIME ON MAY 11
RUSSIA'S GAZPROM SAYS UKRAINE PROPOSES TO SWITCH ALL GAS TRANSIT TO SUDZHA
NEXTA
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#Ukraine stops gas transit through the "Sohranivka" gas pipeline system due to loss of control over the #Novopskov compressor station in #Luhansk Region.
Almost a third of the transit to #Europe passed through this station.
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GAZPROM SAYS IT RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM UKRAINE THAT IT WILL STOP GAS TRANSIT TO EUROPE VIA SOKHRANIVKA FROM 0700 LOCAL TIME ON MAY 11
RUSSIA'S GAZPROM SAYS UKRAINE PROPOSES TO SWITCH ALL GAS TRANSIT TO SUDZHA
NEXTA
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#Ukraine stops gas transit through the "Sohranivka" gas pipeline system due to loss of control over the #Novopskov compressor station in #Luhansk Region.Almost a third of the transit to #Europe passed through this station.
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Little blackmailing by Zelenski? The guy needs money!
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But will it work or will it backfire... ironic that all these years of claiming Russia uses energy supplies as a weapon... when it is the west and their allies in Kiev that actually play that game and each time they have it is the EU customer feeling the effects...
The west uses sanctions to damage economies and make innocent populations pay for what the west perceives as the crime of not doing as the west demands being made by their leadership.
Wonder how well western populations will take such economic hardship moving forwards...
Perhaps Russia and China should actively encourage coups in the west the way the west has tried everywhere they can.
The west uses sanctions to damage economies and make innocent populations pay for what the west perceives as the crime of not doing as the west demands being made by their leadership.
Wonder how well western populations will take such economic hardship moving forwards...
Perhaps Russia and China should actively encourage coups in the west the way the west has tried everywhere they can.
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There was a famous German banker - Alfred Herrhausen, Chairman of Deutsche Bank - who advocated Eurasian development. By doing so, he went against Anglo-American policy that Eurasia is an enemy. What happened to Herrhausen? Assassinated by Operation Gladio's network of terrorists.
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