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    Post  lancelot Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:04 pm

    Use counter battery radar and drones to spot their artillery and hit it with Krasnopol.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:08 pm

    Nothing can be done about retarded approach of Kremlin

    If Kadyrov is asking to take off the gloves it makes sense

    This stupid shit is costing lives even if Russia wins

    What the **** does it matter if Ukies are killed? They're fighting , they are enemy combatants

    But I am not in command of shit and noone here is so , best we can do it whine and complain

    Still this is infuriating as hell to watch , I dont understand why, civilians are one thing, bombing the damn combatants are another, they have precision weapons, but they are not used.

    Where are the Lancets?

    Guys are killed and even if they are troops they are worth more than these people who did not do shit to prevent nazism in their country

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:09 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Hey Russians are pulling their head out of their ass now.  

    Look at that Tor protecting armored column. About time.

    https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/39410
    Very good and please 24/7!

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    Post  Hole Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:11 pm

    What is this obsession with drones? Su-34 with Kh-31 or Kh-58 is the best SEAD/DEAD combo. Problem is you have to find these system first. In a big area. They move around or hide in civilian buildings, without using their radars 24/7. This are not Iraqis.

    Back in 1999 the Serbs had only older systems, NATO aircraft flew above 8.000 or even 10.000 metres. Either out of range of most systems or the missiles needed to much time to reach that height and couldn´t maneuver rapidly.
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    Post  limb Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:14 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Am I interpreting this correctly?

    This is a commander and his comms guy (don't know military term) who in the past would have had a radio back pack and a whip aerial and now has a tablet and a couple of mobile phone like devices.

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    Those small devices could be either small range radios or small interceptor devices. We used small ones like these for intercepting and short range jamming (2km) we also used small radios similar to these but this would be strapped to your left or right on Ur chest. So makes me think these are short range jamming or interceptors. The pad could me used for mapping. Another reason could be using different radios for different lines of Comms, one could be for medivac, armour or engineers, it saves you changing channels and stops clogging up on the channel,combat troops making Comms between themselves don't want the line being clogged up with medivac or engineer chat. Our captain would walk around with three radios of this size.

    Are the soldiers in those twitter vids Russian? Is the destroyed equipment russian?


    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4 - Page 14 9bfa800db0
    This is the map from south front. Which one is more accurate?

    https://southfront.org/military-situation-in-ukraine-on-march-3-2022-map-update/




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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:15 pm

    Hole wrote:What is this obsession with drones? Su-34 with Kh-31 or Kh-58 is the best SEAD/DEAD combo. Problem is you have to find these system first. In a big area. They move around or hide in civilian buildings, without using their radars 24/7. This are not Iraqis.

    Back in 1999 the Serbs had only older systems, NATO aircraft flew above 8.000 or even 10.000 metres. Either out of range of most systems or the missiles needed to much time to reach that height and couldn´t maneuver rapidly.
    It has nothing to do with NATO comparison, Russia does a good job

    But some guys are dying almost needlessly and gruesomely for no reason, other than the excuse that nazis are more important than Russians

    It is infuriating to see, we know Russia could be more proactive and destructive, instead it proceeds like this which is fine, but without adequate air cover,  or bombardment to be honest

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:17 pm

    The one that Johninmk posted are Russians, look the st. George ribbon

    This is the shit that is pissing me off

    It's one person's fault , guys should have more support

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:19 pm

    limb wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Am I interpreting this correctly?

    This is a commander and his comms guy (don't know military term) who in the past would have had a radio back pack and a whip aerial and now has a tablet and a couple of mobile phone like devices.

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    Those small devices could be either small range radios or small interceptor devices. We used small ones like these for intercepting and short range jamming (2km) we also used small radios similar to these but this would be strapped to your left or right on Ur chest. So makes me think these are short range jamming or interceptors. The pad could me used for mapping. Another reason could be using different radios for different lines of Comms, one could be for medivac, armour or engineers, it saves you changing channels and stops clogging up on the channel,combat troops making Comms between themselves don't want the line being clogged up with medivac or engineer chat. Our captain would walk around with three radios of this size.

    Are the soldiers in those twitter vids Russian? Is the destroyed equipment russian?


    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4 - Page 14 9bfa800db0
    This is the map from south front. Which one is more accurate?

    https://southfront.org/military-situation-in-ukraine-on-march-3-2022-map-update/


    southfront from 3.4. it old


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    Post  limb Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:20 pm

    Hole wrote:What is this obsession with drones? Su-34 with Kh-31 or Kh-58 is the best SEAD/DEAD combo. Problem is you have to find these system first. In a big area. They move around or hide in civilian buildings, without using their radars 24/7. This are not Iraqis.

    Back in 1999 the Serbs had only older systems, NATO aircraft flew above 8.000 or even 10.000 metres. Either out of range of most systems or the missiles needed to much time to reach that height and couldn´t maneuver rapidly.
    Yes, but as long as there are SEAD patrols they would never be able to turn on their radar, lest they be immediately detected. The fact that ukrainian buks and Osas are actually turning on their radars long enough to track russian aircraft and release missiles means that there is poor russian SEAD coverage. Also even if ukrainian radars are turned on, there should be enough jamming from Su-34s and ground jammers to prevent ukrainians from locking on on absolutely any russian aircraft.

    The fact that russians are intricately familiar with soviet era buks, but STILL aren't able to jam them 100% of the time shows that either Russian EW quality and coverage is shitty, or for some inexplicable reason they aren't turning their EW on.

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    Post  limb Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:29 pm

    EkErilaz wrote:
    limb wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:3 confirmed su-25 downed and one mi-8 destroyed when it tried to rescue one of the pilots.

    They clearly need more drones to hunt AD systems. It's not stingers but buk and Osa the main issue.

    confirmed by who?  Can we get links?

    There are pictures of them on twitter. You can easily find them. But it is russian ones for sure.

    Buks are very effective.

    You guys were assuring me that all Ukrainian AD systems other than man pads were suppressed or destroyed.

    How many operational buks did Ukraine even have.

    Why aren't they being jammed?

    WE did never say that, some delusional over selous fan that only know war from video games might have said that.
    Those of us with military background understand that there are always hidden reserves, deceptive tactics, and that NOTHING in war is a sure thing.

    And to all the equipment fanboys out there that know everything there is about you favorite system and going: REEEEEE why no use my favorite -insert favourit hardwhare- REEEEEEEE.
    Imagine this, maybe they are very rare!! Just because you saw them in a cool action video on youtube, or some video from the russian MOD using them in syria, or read a semi fake article on sputnik does not mean that every grunt in the russian army or not even every brigade have all the latest equipment. Or maybe it is just entered service and not enough operators are around, or maybe the doctrines for how to use them are still worked on. These processes takes many years.
    For god's sake I saw someone asking why they were using Armatas yet....
    The russian army is still winning, and the commanders that are commanding the units on the ground know better what they are doing then this whole forum combined. They have dedicated a career to doing what they do.
    Remember it is very easy to win a TV football match from the sofa. And that there are almost 200.000 people involved in the operation, in a country that is as large as Germany and Poland combined. Fighting the first real war with real armies with similar technology and training since the second world war (sorry falklands/malvinas I won't count you, you were to small)
    There will be hiccup's, or to use the military word for it, friction. It is the nature of any war.

    So you're tacitly admitting that russian have  censored all in terms of PGM and guided artillery muntion stocks for aircraft and artillery? Also what prevents russians from putting equipment which are for more than 5 years in state tests already(Hermes, LMUR, T-14, TOS-2) to have a trial by fire where that would count as state tests.

    Its really funny when the equipment that ihas been filmed so much isnt used at all cuz muh state tests. The soviets used KV-1s in the winter war as soon as they built protoypes, before factory tests were completed. Russians should do the same.

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    Post  Isos Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:33 pm

    EW isn't magic. At some distance the radar just burn through your jamming.

    Jamming is good when you are far away and launch long range missiles. If you enter the burn through range jamming is useless. Buks use a powerfull radar. Osa have optical guidance backup.

    There are tactics to bypass jamming.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:37 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The one that Johninmk posted are Russians, look the st. George ribbon

    This is the shit that is pissing me off

    It's one person's fault , guys should have more support


    So if you were in charge, and the guys had "more support" from your end, and they still died, then what?

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    Post  Mir Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:39 pm

    @ Limb
    The Russians have everything that is required but they limited their options with the way they ran the campaign. If they can't reach an agreement soon things will get much more intense and reinforcements will get into the action.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:40 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Nothing can be done about retarded approach of Kremlin

    If Kadyrov is asking to take off the gloves it makes sense

    This stupid shit is costing lives even if Russia wins

    What the **** does it matter if Ukies are killed? They're fighting , they are enemy combatants

    But I am not in command of shit and noone here is so , best we can do it whine and complain

    Still this is infuriating as hell to watch , I dont understand why, civilians are one thing, bombing the damn combatants are another, they have precision weapons, but they are not used.

    Where are the Lancets?

    Guys are killed and even if they are troops they are worth more than these people who did not do shit to prevent nazism in their country




    There are claims made yesterday that alleged that Putin openly stated that "Russians and Ukrainians are one people."

    With this attitude he will destroy the conventional Russian armed forces.

    I do not even think that ethnic Ukrainians are even Slavs, and compare this to Putin's spread of hatred against the genuinely Slavic Poles.

    As a Polish person I am disgusted with such behavior.

    That guy is nuts, he might soon seriously antagonize his own ally Kadyrov.


    It is Putin who gave Ukraine lots of free money and free natural gas since that country became openly hostile in 2014.

    Now look at the results.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:42 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The one that Johninmk posted are Russians, look the st. George ribbon

    This is the shit that is pissing me off

    It's one person's fault , guys should have more support


    So if you were in charge, and the guys had "more support" from your end, and they still died, then what?



    you took what he said completely out of context because you cannot handle the fact he criticized the russians.

    Soliders will die in war, no matter how good the plan OR weapons they have.

    However there is a difference between that and having your forces behave in such a way it puts them at undeeded risk because you wanna play Mr nice guy
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:42 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Nothing can be done about retarded approach of Kremlin

    If Kadyrov is asking to take off the gloves it makes sense

    This stupid shit is costing lives even if Russia wins

    What the **** does it matter if Ukies are killed? They're fighting , they are enemy combatants

    But I am not in command of shit and noone here is so , best we can do it whine and complain

    Still this is infuriating as hell to watch , I dont understand why, civilians are one thing, bombing the damn combatants are another, they have precision weapons, but they are not used.

    Where are the Lancets?

    Guys are killed and even if they are troops they are worth more than these people who did not do shit to prevent nazism in their country




    There are claims made yesterday that alleged that Putin openly stated that "Russians and Ukrainians are one people."

    With this attitude he will destroy the conventional Russian armed forces.

    I do not even think that ethnic Ukrainians are even Slavs, and compare this to Putin's spread of hatred against the genuinely Slavic Poles.

    As a Polish person I am disgusted with such behavior.

    That guy is nuts, he might soon seriously antagonize his own ally Kadyrov.


    It is Putin who gave Ukraine lots of free money and free natural gas since that country became openly hostile in 2014.

    Now look at the results.



    You are a retard.

    Let adults talk.

    I don't blame actual soldiers and people with experience who are dropping from posting on this shit site. When it's being more or less controlled by you people.


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    Post  limb Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:43 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Nothing can be done about retarded approach of Kremlin

    If Kadyrov is asking to take off the gloves it makes sense

    This stupid shit is costing lives even if Russia wins

    What the **** does it matter if Ukies are killed? They're fighting , they are enemy combatants

    But I am not in command of shit and noone here is so , best we can do it whine and complain

    Still this is infuriating as hell to watch , I dont understand why, civilians are one thing, bombing the damn combatants are another, they have precision weapons, but they are not used.

    Where are the Lancets?

    Guys are killed and even if they are troops they are worth more than these people who did not do shit to prevent nazism in their country




    There are claims made yesterday that alleged that Putin openly stated that "Russians and Ukrainians are one people."

    With this attitude he will destroy the conventional Russian armed forces.

    I do not even think that ethnic Ukrainians are even Slavs, and compare this to Putin's spread of hatred against the genuinely Slavic Poles.

    As a Polish person I am disgusted with such behavior.

    That guy is nuts, he might soon seriously antagonize his own ally Kadyrov.


    It is Putin who gave Ukraine lots of free money and free natural gas since that country became openly hostile in 2014.

    Now look at the results.



    As I said, putin must not know that croatian hatred of serbs(croatians are catholic serbs brainwashed by austrians) exists and FYROMistani hatred of Bulgarians(FYROMistanis are pure bulgarians brainwashed by serbs) exists, both of which is uncurable seething hatred more intense than any ethnic hatred between less related ethnicities out there.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:46 pm

    Mike, some of those vids are maddening to watch

    Russia does the op well, victory is coming

    But man, these men are dying to be nice with these anti russian mfs

    They deserve occupation and annexation , they deserve to lose every bit of their stupid identity and all they hold prideful

    But it should not happen with Russians torn up and shredded by these absolute demonic mfs

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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:48 pm

    Although it's believed that the flight did land there, the rest is speculation. If this is true then that means Russia needs to have a word with erdo and remind of a few things to stop deliveries erdo can always come up with an excuse for the Ukrainians. Hopefully Russia and track these drones. Although I have said it before drones won't save the Ukrainians

    An Antonov Airlines Antonov An-124 (reg. UR-82072 as ADB3174) from Tekirdag Corlu Airport (known for its Bayraktar TB2 delivery flights) is currently landing at Rzeszów-Jasionka Airport in Poland, the likely military hub for Ukraine, a Bayraktar TB2 operator


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:50 pm

    Odin, no problem with ordinary poles, but the guys leading your country, are as anti russian as the nazis that should be exterminated

    You have guys like Your FM and president who want to go far, but have to be held back like dogs by Yankees

    I wish that sort of animosity did not exist, but that's the world we live in

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:57 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Nothing can be done about retarded approach of Kremlin

    If Kadyrov is asking to take off the gloves it makes sense

    This stupid shit is costing lives even if Russia wins

    What the **** does it matter if Ukies are killed? They're fighting , they are enemy combatants

    But I am not in command of shit and noone here is so , best we can do it whine and complain

    Still this is infuriating as hell to watch , I dont understand why, civilians are one thing, bombing the damn combatants are another, they have precision weapons, but they are not used.

    Where are the Lancets?

    Guys are killed and even if they are troops they are worth more than these people who did not do shit to prevent nazism in their country




    There are claims made yesterday that alleged that Putin openly stated that "Russians and Ukrainians are one people."

    With this attitude he will destroy the conventional Russian armed forces.

    I do not even think that ethnic Ukrainians are even Slavs, and compare this to Putin's spread of hatred against the genuinely Slavic Poles.

    As a Polish person I am disgusted with such behavior.

    That guy is nuts, he might soon seriously antagonize his own ally Kadyrov.


    It is Putin who gave Ukraine lots of free money and free natural gas since that country became openly hostile in 2014.

    Now look at the results.



    You are a retard.

    Let adults talk.

    I don't blame actual soldiers and people with experience who are dropping from posting on this shit site.  When it's being more or less controlled by you people.



    I do not control this forum.

    You might have military experience, but you might know nothing about the actual origins of various peoples. Real history not some bull-shit.

    Military experience is not everything. I could not accept it in Canada, at least not since 1999 (I think you know why), the same applies to the French Foreign Legion, since they too are part of NATO. Thus far there is no actual war in Poland, so I could not get military experience there either.

    Oh the NATO boys know everything best I guess.

    Have some personal experiences with ethnic Ukrainians, some good, and some bad.

    But I know that the Ukrainian nationalists want us ethnic Poles dead and/or enslaved, and that is their ultimate goal. They pose a very serious threat to the Polish people.

    I should be able to have a voice on this here.



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    Can we get some further details about the isolated red area to the West of Ossetia? If I may guess, I would say Russian paratroopers secured parts of the Ukrainian border next to Nato-member Romania in order to start cutting off military supplies into Ukraine. Or does it mean something else? I fear that fights taking place near Nato-borders might become dangerous in this escalation.

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    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4 - Page 14 9bfa800db0

    Can we get some further details about the isolated red area to the West of Ossetia? If I may guess, I would say Russian paratroopers secured parts of the Ukrainian border next to Nato-member Romania in order to start cutting off military supplies into Ukraine. Or does it mean something else? I fear that fights taking place near Nato-borders might become dangerous in this escalation.
    You dont know about transdnistria? Its had russian peacekeepers since the 90s.

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:10 pm

    Thanks, I did not know that, but now it makes sense.

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