Arkanghelsk wrote:Of course at this point carpet bombing is the solution
I am agreeing with the heavy handed approach
Kill em all,et God sort em out
I don't know what is up with you but it certainly not a good idea. We are not the West, hell Russia didn't carpet bomb in Syria where no civilians were left in a jihadi-****-fest. Russia needs to demoralize them by surrounding the city and cutting of any supplies, giving option for civilians to leave, if they decide to take a chance with their arms to leave, bomb them. Use 24/7 massive amount of drones and launch strikes against any military target inside the city.
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flamming_python wrote:Huge crowd of civilians came to receive weapons in Zaporozhie (under Ukrainian control)
https://t.me/nuhachrus/4034
Yep, Putin fucked up alright
If those "civilians" take up arms against Russia with almost no civilian deaths then they would take up arms anyways. At this point they are not civilians but combatants. As a countermove Russia should send them ukrainian uniforms via different channel, to give it to all civilians so they don't walk in civilian clothing. This would reduce the amount of "civilian" deaths falsely portrayed in western lying media.
If they manage to drive out civilians out of any location and put the fascists in a cauldron I really would bet someone to decide to use FOAB.
I must say something here, in WW1 Serbian army lacked uniforms for half of second and whole third eshalom, some had just army coat or hat.
Austro Hungarians and Bulgarians killed thousands of guys that surrendered using narrative that they do not have complete uniforms hence they are not being treated as POWs.
Doubtful we will see it unless they fell on contested land at least. Also from where they fly fkn Su-27 it's bird that needs alot of logistics and at least half prepared airfield.
If they were shot that is...
Yeah.
however i doubt Russians actually getting all of Ukrainian base, and as proven in Shayrat strike. Unless the runaway is cratered, decent damage control team can bring the base back into operation.
Another thing is to actually operate from highway like Swedish did. Su-27 intake has a grill screen to prevent FOD damage. so it can operate from highway. I also suspect that's how they operate TB-2 now.
flamming_python wrote:Huge crowd of civilians came to receive weapons in Zaporozhie (under Ukrainian control)
Yep, Putin fucked up alright
If they give away weapons in a war zone then I am happy to receive one, if for nothing else just to protect my family from the other guys received the weapons.
See the Kiev events.
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As trophies, Russian troops continuing the special operation received several Ural vehicles at their disposal. The ammunition depot, where ATGMs, tank shells, mortar mines, and rockets for MLRS are located, came under control. The total mass of ammunition, according to the most conservative estimates, is about 4,5 thousand tons.
On the footage you can see the territory of the base with dozens of army tents, numerous boxes of ammunition. The loading of military equipment onto the platforms is also shown. Also, the Russian military received access to the documentation of the military base of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:Of course at this point carpet bombing is the solution
I am agreeing with the heavy handed approach
Kill em all,et God sort em out
You are getting more hysterical every day now that the operation is not going to plan. I told you that it wasn't a good idea to invade, and that no good can ever come out of it.
However I am confident that it actually it is going to plan. There are multiple plans, depending on the level of success, and the Ukrainian regime's strategy. None of them will be to the preference of Kiev
But none of them include any carpet bombings or any of this shit, so pipe down.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:Offensive in Ukraine resumes after ceasefire – Russia
The MoD says its decision to go on with its attack was down to Kiev’s “unwillingness” to “influence” the nationalists
More good news, defeatists will not lead this op
I don't post often even though I've read this forum more than a decade. (I've been introduced also) Anyway, in Finland MSM is accusing Russia breaking the ceasefire. Ofcourse, I'm aware this is not the case, but it has been here more than decade that every single bad thing on earth is somehow linked to Putin, China or North Korea:)
I'm wondering what is going on on the front and waiting report from Ispan...
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Arkanghelsk wrote:Of course at this point carpet bombing is the solution
I am agreeing with the heavy handed approach
Kill em all,et God sort em out
You are getting more hysterical every day now that the operation is not going to plan. I told you that it wasn't a good idea to invade, and that no good can ever come out of it.
However I am confident that it actually it is going to plan. There are multiple plans, depending on the level of success, and the Ukrainian regime's strategy. None of them will be to the preference of Kiev
But none of them include any carpet bombings or any of this shit, so pipe down.
I'm sure the military has a good plan, but the leadership obviously thought that we would walk in and talk to the friendly nazis
The operation in Ukraine is a necessity
Because it is a necessity the most determined actions are needed to guarantee its outcome
flamming_python wrote:You are getting more hysterical every day now that the operation is not going to plan. I told you that it wasn't a good idea to invade, and that no good can ever come out of it.
However I am confident that it actually it is going to plan. There are multiple plans, depending on the level of success, and the Ukrainian regime's strategy. None of them will be to the preference of Kiev
But none of them include any carpet bombings or any of this shit, so pipe down.
As per a RUSSTRAT (Elena Panina institute) article I posted yesterday or one day before the schedule is to take over these big cities up to March 8 then, hard to say it is not going as planned.
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"In total, 2119 military infrastructure facilities of Ukraine were hit during the operation
Among them: 74 control points and communication centers of the Ukrainian armed forces; 108 air defense missile systems S-300, Buk M-1 and Osa, as well as 68 radar stations.
Destroyed: 69 aircraft on the ground and 21 aircraft in the air, 748 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 76 multiple rocket launchers, 274 field artillery pieces and mortars, 532 units of special military vehicles, as well as 59 unmanned aerial vehicles."
"108 air defense missile systems S-300, Buk M-1 and Osa"
Assuming the Three flanker/fullback losses we've seen so far are true and not fake (recycled footage from one or two downings), even if a measly two arplanes was used per sortie against those air defense systems, the ratio of aircraft that sortied per ones lost = 213/216= 98.6 percent And here we are not taking into account air to air battles in which no confirmed loss has happened.
I know obviously there are many nuances but this is just to get the general picture: Russians are not bad at SEAD, its obvious a few aircraft are going to be shot down if there are SAM Systems remaining hidden sitting in ambush positions, equipment can malfunction, mistakes could be made on Intel or else, of course it'll amount to some loss.
But it is really evident that people should stop analysing performance from the breadcrumbs of the conflict showing up online, the sample size isn't nearly ample enough, the nuances are not taken into account, and the average internet expert does not have the technical qualification to assess loss and performance.
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Atmosphere wrote:"In total, 2119 military infrastructure facilities of Ukraine were hit during the operation
Among them: 74 control points and communication centers of the Ukrainian armed forces; 108 air defense missile systems S-300, Buk M-1 and Osa, as well as 68 radar stations.
Destroyed: 69 aircraft on the ground and 21 aircraft in the air, 748 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 76 multiple rocket launchers, 274 field artillery pieces and mortars, 532 units of special military vehicles, as well as 59 unmanned aerial vehicles."
"108 air defense missile systems S-300, Buk M-1 and Osa"
Assuming the Three flanker/fullback losses we've seen so far are true and not fake (recycled footage from one or two downings), even if a measly two arplanes was used per sortie against those air defense systems, the ratio of aircraft that sortied per ones lost = 213/216= 98.6 percent And here we are not taking into account air to air battles in which no confirmed loss has happened.
I know obviously there are many nuances but this is just to get the general picture: Russians are not bad at SEAD, its obvious a few aircraft are going to be shot down if there are SAM Systems remaining hidden sitting in ambush positions, equipment can malfunction, mistakes could be made on Intel or else, of course it'll amount to some loss.
But it is really evident that people should stop analysing performance from the breadcrumbs of the conflict showing up online, the sample size isn't nearly ample enough, the nuances are not taken into account, and the average internet expert does not have the technical qualification to assess loss and performance.
Very well put, anytime there are losses, it's difficult to refrain from reacting emotionally
But you're correct , when taking into account the destruction of enemy material and the quality of material
It is a successful operation, of course 100% success would be favorable
Ukraine by no means is the weakest country around
But when spoiled by operation like Kazakhstan with no losses, the vast majority including myself expect their to be little to no losses
But you're right, keep working brothers
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flamming_python wrote:You are getting more hysterical every day now that the operation is not going to plan. I told you that it wasn't a good idea to invade, and that no good can ever come out of it.
However I am confident that it actually it is going to plan. There are multiple plans, depending on the level of success, and the Ukrainian regime's strategy. None of them will be to the preference of Kiev
But none of them include any carpet bombings or any of this shit, so pipe down.
As per a RUSSTRAT (Elina Panina institute) article I posted yesterday or one day before the schedule is to take over these big cities up to March 8 then, hard to say it is not going as planned.
Lavrov disproved it by stating timeline was an invention of media and never disclosed.
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flamming_python wrote:Huge crowd of civilians came to receive weapons in Zaporozhie (under Ukrainian control)
Yep, Putin fucked up alright
Are you surprised?
I am a similar opinion of Team 715. Rallying under the flag is a thing, like mentioned here before. Of course they see Russian operation as invasion, it also disturbs and Donbassifies their life. They didn't give a crap when war in the east was happening, most of Ukrainians were passive, but when it hit close to home, they started picking up weapons. By the way, taking a weapon doesn't mean being willing to fight and die.
Also, in this video, if someone is interested, Russians are also crowdfunding for Thermal sights and etc.
That's hundreds if not thousands of people. Pretty bad if true. They need to take power and get an agreement with Russia by themselves.
The Russian Aerospace Forces attacked the military camp of the 5th Slobozhanskaya brigade of the National Guard in Kharkov, all troops present died, buildings were destroyed — Rus Media
shows a battle in kherson in feb 24 between russian soldiers and ukraine army.
the video proof without any doubt ,that russian soldiers are fighting poorly equipped without close air support ,without artillery support , without combat drones support and sent to the front line with just light guns , no rpgs either..
This video was a combat of russian forces in ukraine.. if this was poland , the russian soldiers will have been all wiped by the superior air support nato have and combat drones support too..
Russia military needs that every soldier is armed with an rpg7 grenade and or an anti personal kamikazi drone . the way russian army is fighting on the ground is unbelievable stupid.. sending soldiers with light guns to the front line.. it was like 30 russian soldiers vs a 12 ukrainians and still the russians failed to neturalize them ,because they had an armored cars ,that their rifles could not penetrate. the most amazing thing is that the conflict was filmed by a civilian toy drone , that could show how poorly equipped was the russian soldiers and with zero air support or drone support and trying to defeat an armored car just using anti personal grenades and assault rifles.
AFter watching this battles , this should encourage nato to continue sending mercenaries and private contractors .. because so far the way the russian army is fighting is terrible , if they dont take advange of their airsuperiority or dont use combat drones. and neither kornets or rpgs.. this was terrible fight for russian military. they were lucky that the ukrainians neither had heavy weapons , neither drones in that place.. because if they had, the entire russian soldiers will have been wiped
it was really painful how bad was the execution of the russian army.. even after having the numerical advantage and the surprise advantage.. who tough it was good idea to fight with just rifles an ukie small formation army that with armored cars from the soviet era.
Doesn't look like professional fighters at all , as if russia recruited conscript to fight as meat shield. trying to jump on armored cars conboy with light weapons is dumb. and the russians were being watched from behind with a civilian drone. so there is no fucking excuse that russian army don't give drones to every military.. even a civilian had better battle view of the conflict ,that the same russian soldiers.
if this video is representative of how russian army fight in the frontlines.. then some general heads needs to be fired in the military. this was stupid ,very risky mission to fight without the correct weapons.
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flamming_python wrote:You are getting more hysterical every day now that the operation is not going to plan. I told you that it wasn't a good idea to invade, and that no good can ever come out of it.
However I am confident that it actually it is going to plan. There are multiple plans, depending on the level of success, and the Ukrainian regime's strategy. None of them will be to the preference of Kiev
But none of them include any carpet bombings or any of this shit, so pipe down.
As per a RUSSTRAT (Elina Panina institute) article I posted yesterday or one day before the schedule is to take over these big cities up to March 8 then, hard to say it is not going as planned.
The Russian military is not going to disclose its plans to some fking institute. Neither the political leadership will disclose its plans. Not with the whole NATO watching and leading a proxy war against Russia, certainly
We have no idea what plan is being followed, what the schedule is, what the hiccups are. We don't know how many reserve plans there are, or how much is being changed and adjusted in real-time.
Of course no plan survives actual action but to think that they haven't war-gamed and simulated multiple possible scenarios would be naive; that goes for both the military part of things and the political one. Russia has the initiative and both the Ukrainians and NATO can only guess and respond.
We can see that the Russian military has adapted its tactics but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are moving from plan A to plan B. Or if there is a plan A or plan B as such.
I think The Duran pinned it down best. The Clausewitz doctrine of war as an extension of diplomacy and bargaining power. So its a combined political-military strategy in all essence, not one of simple subjugation and destruction of all enemy forces, like in WW2 or the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Which means there is probably some strategic freedom and flexibility based on how the situation develops.
I think we can see that the gradual establishment of control over cities, particularly in the south and east of the country - is a key component.
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Isos wrote:That's hundreds if not thousands of people. Pretty bad if true. They need to take power and get an agreement with Russia by themselves. embed]
Why your tweets never embed mate?
I see them very well. It's your browser that has issues maybe.
The forum has the mobile and computer version. Maybe you are with the mobile version that doesn't embbed correctly the twitter posts.
On the top right you can switch for computer/web version which is better.
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the most amazing thing is that the conflict was filmed by a civilian toy drone , that could show how poorly equipped was the russian soldiers and with zero air support or drone support and trying to defeat an armored car just using anti personal grenades and assault rifles. 
