Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4

flamming_python wrote:

rigoletto wrote:

flamming_python wrote:You are getting more hysterical every day now that the operation is not going to plan. I told you that it wasn't a good idea to invade, and that no good can ever come out of it.

However I am confident that it actually it is going to plan. There are multiple plans, depending on the level of success, and the Ukrainian regime's strategy. None of them will be to the preference of Kiev

But none of them include any carpet bombings or any of this shit, so pipe down.

As per a RUSSTRAT (Elina Panina institute) article I posted yesterday or one day before the schedule is to take over these big cities up to March 8 then, hard to say it is not going as planned.

The Russian military is not going to disclose its plans to some fking institute. Neither the political leadership will disclose its plans. Not with the whole NATO watching and leading a proxy war against Russia, certainly

We have no idea what plan is being followed, what the schedule is, what the hiccups are. We don't know how many reserve plans there are, or how much is being changed and adjusted in real-time.

Of course no plan survives actual action but to think that they haven't war-gamed and simulated multiple possible scenarios would be naive; that goes for both the military part of things and the political one. Russia has the initiative and both the Ukrainians and NATO can only guess and respond.

We can see that the Russian military has adapted its tactics but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are moving from plan A to plan B. Or if there is a plan A or plan B as such.

I think The Duran pinned it down best. The Clausewitz doctrine of war as an extension of diplomacy and bargaining power. So its a combined political-military strategy in all essence, not one of simple subjugation and destruction of all enemy forces, like in WW2 or the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Which means there is probably some strategic freedom and flexibility based on how the situation develops.

I think we can see that the gradual establishment of control over cities, particularly in the south and east of the country - is a key component.

ALAMO wrote:Moldova is a poorer Romania.
Let them hold the flag of the biggest shithole in Europe, while Ukraine is out of the contest.

Vann7 wrote:The next video is interesting ,..

shows a battle in kherson in feb 24 between russian soldiers and ukraine army.

the video proof without any doubt ,that russian soldiers are fighting poorly equipped without
close air support ,without artillery support , without combat drones support and sent to the front line
with just light guns , no rpgs either..


This video was a combat of russian forces in ukraine..
if this was poland , the russian soldiers will have been all wiped by the superior air support nato have and combat drones support too..



Russia military needs that every soldier is armed with an rpg7 grenade and or an anti personal kamikazi drone . the way russian army is fighting on the ground is unbelievable stupid.. sending soldiers with light guns to the front line..   it was like 30 russian soldiers vs a 12 ukrainians and still
the russians failed to neturalize them ,because they had an armored cars ,that their rifles could not penetrate.     the most amazing thing is that the conflict was filmed by a civilian toy drone , that could show how poorly equipped was the russian soldiers and with zero air support or drone support and trying to defeat an armored car just using anti personal grenades and assault rifles.

AFter watching this battles , this should encourage nato to continue sending mercenaries and private contractors .. because so far the way the russian army is fighting is terrible , if they dont take advange of their airsuperiority or dont use combat drones. and neither kornets or rpgs.. this was terrible fight for russian military. they were lucky that the ukrainians neither had heavy weapons , neither drones in that place.. because if they had, the entire russian soldiers will have been wiped

it was really painful how bad was the execution of the russian army.. even after having the numerical advantage and the surprise advantage.. who tough it was good idea to fight with just rifles an ukie small formation army that with armored cars from the soviet era.

Doesn't look like professional fighters at all , as if russia recruited conscript to fight as meat shield.
trying to jump on armored cars conboy with light weapons is dumb.  and the russians were being watched from behind with a civilian drone.    so there is no fucking excuse that russian army don't give drones to every military.. even a civilian had better battle view of the conflict ,that the same russian soldiers.

if this video is representative of how russian army fight in the frontlines.. then some general heads needs to be fired in the military. this was stupid ,very risky mission to fight without the correct weapons.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Of course at this point carpet bombing is the solution

I am agreeing with the heavy handed approach

Kill em all,et God sort em out

d_taddei2 wrote:
Updates

1) Up to 50 Western Planes With Military Hardware Landed in Ukraine Ahead of Russian Op – Moscow

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d_taddei2 wrote:More rumours of helicopters and aircraft going down, even a recent one where two pilots have been captured if so am sure they will be paraded on media platforms. So many fakes from different sources hard to tell what's real or not. Going by these sources 6-7 aircraft and 7 helicopters anyone anything fairly concrete on these figures seems fairly high for one day. I am not believing this as gospel it until evidence is shown also not saying they haven't lost anything

ALAMO wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
My guy, tanks and bekhas are one thing

Su34s and su30s are completely other

They are obliterating forces covered by the SAM umbrella unimaginable for any country in Europe, yet US itself.
You have really supposed that they will have zero losses?



This alone is a division of S-300 taken out of order. It is a diesel generator attached to each division. Both taken out of Kharkov.

I suppose the priority of rapid territorial advance is to be blamed here for real, but the Russian soldier is paying with blood for making a NATO intervention out of a question.
A limited air operation lasting 2 months to soften the AD, NATO way, would only encourage "partners" for something stupid.

Singular_Transform wrote:No one has clue about the ratio of sorties/downed aircrafts.

That should give full picture.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Orlan wrote:

Isos wrote:Another su-34 may have been down. So 2 su-34 and 1 su-30 and 1 mi-24 today. They suck at SEAD. Bring those kh-25P and kh-31 and drones. Where are the su-57 to launch kh-31 from safe areas ?


https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1500115274070114310

Two Mi 35s...

Three jets in a single day

The Russians are awful at SEAD....

Let alone SU-34 losses, that's a big deal.

Mir wrote:
Just to put things in a bit of perspective. The Gulf War started with a massive aerial bombing campaign on 16 January 1991 that was known as Operation Desert Storm. For 42 consecutive days and nights, the coalition forces subjected Iraq to one of the most intensive air bombardments in military history. The Coalition lost a total of 75 aircraft—52 fixed-wing aircraft and 23 helicopters, with 39 fixed-wing aircraft and 5 helicopters lost in combat. One coalition fighter was lost in air-air combat, a U.S. Navy F/A-18 piloted by Scott Speicher. This was in a war where the Iraqi military was totally dominated and vastly outnumbered.

Vann7 wrote:The next video is interesting ,..

shows a battle in kherson in feb 24 between russian soldiers and ukraine army.

the video proof without any doubt ,that russian soldiers are fighting poorly equipped without
close air support ,without artillery support , without combat drones support and sent to the front line
with just light guns , no rpgs either..


This video was a combat of russian forces in ukraine..
if this was poland , the russian soldiers will have been all wiped by the superior air support nato have and combat drones support too..



Russia military needs that every soldier is armed with an rpg7 grenade and or an anti personal kamikazi drone . the way russian army is fighting on the ground is unbelievable stupid.. sending soldiers with light guns to the front line..   it was like 30 russian soldiers vs a 12 ukrainians and still
the russians failed to neturalize them ,because they had an armored cars ,that their rifles could not penetrate.     the most amazing thing is that the conflict was filmed by a civilian toy drone , that could show how poorly equipped was the russian soldiers and with zero air support or drone support and trying to defeat an armored car just using anti personal grenades and assault rifles.

AFter watching this battles , this should encourage nato to continue sending mercenaries and private contractors .. because so far the way the russian army is fighting is terrible , if they dont take advange of their airsuperiority or dont use combat drones. and neither kornets or rpgs.. this was terrible fight for russian military. they were lucky that the ukrainians neither had heavy weapons , neither drones in that place.. because if they had, the entire russian soldiers will have been wiped

it was really painful how bad was the execution of the russian army.. even after having the numerical advantage and the surprise advantage.. who tough it was good idea to fight with just rifles an ukie small formation army that with armored cars from the soviet era.

Doesn't look like professional fighters at all , as if russia recruited conscript to fight as meat shield.
trying to jump on armored cars conboy with light weapons is dumb.  and the russians were being watched from behind with a civilian drone.    so there is no fucking excuse that russian army don't give drones to every military.. even a civilian had better battle view of the conflict ,that the same russian soldiers.

if this video is representative of how russian army fight in the frontlines.. then some general heads needs to be fired in the military. this was stupid ,very risky mission to fight without the correct weapons.

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/status/1500180487788281857