Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4

rigoletto wrote:Russia does not seek to divide Ukraine into parts, Kremlin spokesman says

The Kremlin spokesman emphasized that Russia did not seek to divide Ukraine into
parts but only wanted to ensure its own national security

https://tass.com/politics/1417071

Did not and Does not are actually different.

There are reports(I heard from Duran) that sources are saying that, in Mauripol, the Ukrainian army got into fights with the Azov Nazis.

Don't know how true this is but a thing to keep an eye on.

-Russia has to encourage the depopulation of western Ukraine. 5 million people or more. Cause a demographic disaster in Western Europe. It's a way to get rid of the fifth column and potential neo-Nazi collaborators.
-Annex the east and every region that wants to be Russian.
-The new government must be under praetorian surveillance by the military.
-Another possibility is to "buy" the Ukrainian military with oil and gas royalties. Good wages in exchange for obedience. Venezuela does very well.

rigoletto wrote:Russia does not seek to divide Ukraine into parts, Kremlin spokesman says

The Kremlin spokesman emphasized that Russia did not seek to divide Ukraine into
parts but only wanted to ensure its own national security

https://tass.com/politics/1417071

That's just BS. They are keeping their cards out of view.

Backman wrote:Someone in the Kremlin probably thinks to scrap neutrality. Make Ukraine another Belarus. It will probably be too hard but we'll see

Putin has said people of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are the same. He has also lamented the breakup of the USSR as a tragedy that left millions of Russians stranded in foreign lands, and I would risk (maybe I am wrong) saying that he may see the historical duty of the RF to gather those peoples under the same umbrella, since one people has effectively no use for several states and is on the opposite weakened and destroyed by the artificial fomenting of nationalisms that he has also criticised as a major blunder of the Bolsheviks. Of course that was not a bug but a feature of the revolution, but one which is incompatible with the development of Russian people. So yes, the parts of current Ukraine with a strong Russian background will need to be integrated in the economic, military and legal layers and the ideological damage done in the last century will need to be slowly and painstakingly corrected so the following generations do not need to live in a shithole that is permanently wasted by using it as a ram against Russia. Maybe in the future some kind of tighter integration is possible, but in the short term I think it would be undesirable for both sides.

LMFS wrote:

Backman wrote:Someone in the Kremlin probably thinks to scrap neutrality. Make Ukraine another Belarus. It will probably be too hard but we'll see

Putin has said people of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are the same. He has also lamented the breakup of the USSR as a tragedy that left millions of Russians stranded in foreign lands, and I would risk (maybe I am wrong) saying that he may see the historical duty of the RF to gather those peoples under the same umbrella, since one people has effectively no use for several states and is on the opposite weakened and destroyed by the artificial fomenting of nationalisms that he has also criticised as a major blunder of the Bolsheviks. Of course that was not a bug but a feature of the revolution, but one which is incompatible with the development of Russian people. So yes, the parts of current Ukraine with a strong Russian background will need to be integrated in the economic, military and legal layers and the ideological damage done in the last century will need to be slowly and painstakingly corrected so the following generations do not need to live in a shithole that is permanently wasted by using it as a ram against Russia. Maybe in the future some kind of tighter integration is possible, but in the short term I think it would be undesirable for both sides.

Belarus has always been a loyal country. They are Russians with another similar name. But there are Ukrainians (not all, of course) who have no choice, they are anti-Russian. In fact, historically they are traitorous Slavs like the Poles or Croats.

Putin signed a law on criminal punishment for fakes about the actions of the Russian armed forces:

• for knowingly false fakes - a fine from 700 thousand to 1.5 million rubles, or up to 3 years in a penal colony

* for knowingly false fakes created by officials, an organized group, with artificial creation of evidence or motivated by hatred or enmity - a fine of 3 to 5 million rubles, or from 5 to 10 years in prison

• for knowingly false fakes that entailed serious consequences - from 10 to 15 years in prison

* for calls to prevent the use of Russian troops to protect the interests of Russia, maintain peace and security, or for discrediting such use (if the violator was brought to administrative responsibility for this earlier in the year) - a fine of 100 thousand to 300 thousand rubles or up to 3 years in a penal colony

• if such calls for obstruction or such discrediting entailed grave consequences - a fine of 300 thousand to 1 million rubles or up to 5 years in a penal colony

* for calls for sanctions against Russia (if the violator was brought to administrative responsibility for this earlier in the year) - a fine of up to 500 thousand rubles or up to 3 years in a penal colony

A bunch Western media have of course announced they stop their "work" in Russia for now

ArgentinaGuard wrote:-Russia has to encourage the depopulation of western Ukraine. 5 million people or more. Cause a demographic disaster in Western Europe. It's a way to get rid of the fifth column and potential neo-Nazi collaborators.
-Annex the east and every region that wants to be Russian.
-The new government must be under praetorian surveillance by the military.
-Another possibility is to "buy" the Ukrainian military with oil and gas royalties. Venezuela does very well.

They could also say that due to the amount of heavy weapons and mercenaries the
collective west sent to western Ukraine, this is not just too dangerous to execute
the operation in there in the same way they did in the rest of the country, plus the high
risk of these weapons falling in terrorists hands given the generated chaos they will be
forced lever the whole region mercilessly...

[EDIT]

This would be particularly interesting if one day before some Luftansa flight was destroyed
by one of those manpads they sent to Ukraine by some retarded jihadist.

A lot of options...

[Sputnik (Telegram)]

Russia declares ceasefire in Ukraine starting at 07:00 GMT, opens humanitarian
corridors for the evacuation of civilians, the defense ministry says.

Is Russia hiting their weapons producing factorys ? They should destroy them. So they cant get new stuff during war. And why they dont start using TOS ? To burn some nazi chickens. Good weapon for them

ucmvulcan wrote:

rigoletto wrote:[Sputnik (Telegram)]

Russia declares ceasefire in Ukraine starting at 07:00 GMT, opens humanitarian
corridors for the evacuation of civilians, the defense ministry says.

I hope they are on high alert for provocations.  Also is this theater wide or just in Marioupol and another city or two?

This was the only information in there.

[RT Telegram]

Russia declares ceasefire in Ukraine from 06:00 GMT to open humanitarian corridors for civilians

Humanitarian corridors and exit routes for civilians from Mariupol and Volnovakha
have been agreed upon with the Ukrainian side - Russian MoD

PS. Since RT Telegram channel was blocked in several countries they created am alternative mirror channel:

https://t.me/swentr

Yugo90 wrote:Is Russia hiting their weapons producing factorys ? They should destroy them. So they cant get new stuff during war. And why they dont start using TOS ? To burn some nazi chickens. Good weapon for them

Ukrainian defense industries is unfortunately at appaling state that these guys cant even get new stuff.

More threat however are coming from foreign logistics.. Russia would need to hit munitions depo or the logistical centers where they are piled.

An ammunition depot in a military unit in Zhytomyr, where Javelin and NLOW were stored, was destroyed by a long-range precision weapon — Russian Defense Ministry

Regular wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:One thing I've noticed is the lack of MRAP typhoon etc in Russian footage. The preferred mode of transport seems to be trucks and MT-LB. I thought we would have seen more BMP's BTR's but not seen many. And haven't seen one BMP-3 or T-90 kornet D, Metis, konkurs, unless I just missed the footage.
MT-LB are great vehicles but u would have thought BMP would have been a better choice or maybe for the Russians they prefer MT-LB. Just an observation that's all.

There are comparably few MRAPs in Russian service and IEDs are not the biggest risk here. In conventional war, MRAPs have no benefit over BTR or BMP, actually taller silhouette is not a benefit when you face autocannons, artillery, ATGMs and so on. Also, it's not what Russia prefers, it's what they have. In the perfect world, all of them would be driving in T-15.

Bmp-3 they have many, not seen many BTR or T-90. This war.

rigoletto wrote:[RT Telegram]

Russia declares ceasefire in Ukraine from 06:00 GMT to open humanitarian corridors for civilians

Humanitarian corridors and exit routes for civilians from Mariupol and Volnovakha
have been agreed upon with the Ukrainian side - Russian MoD

PS. Since RT Telegram channel was blocked in several countries they created am alternative mirror channel:

https://t.me/swentr

RT has been blocked in South Africa for the last couple of days but it caused a lot of outrage. It seems to be back on today - don't know for how long?

The MSM here is just full retard anti-Putin!

Meanwhile biden in a parallel world  

Point 2) that's 24 missiles a day, so just a fraction of what USA fires in a day on Iraq or NATO on Yugoslavia

Point 4) very much looks like Odessa on the cards today.

Point 7) spot on everyone with half a brain knows this apart from Western sheep (general public)

Point 9) does Russia have its own mobile brand?

Point 10) correct! Yet again general public have no clue.

Updates

1) Ukrainian Nationals Blow Up Bridge to Town of Schastye Near Lugansk - Ria Novosti

2) Pentagon: Russia has fired more than 500 missiles in the week since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine began. Russia is launching all different types of missiles at a rate of about two dozen in 24 hours, a Pentagon official said

3) Russian airstrike targeted Zalyutino

4) Heavy destruction in Velikodolynske, Odesa region after overnight aerial attack

5) Reports of fighting taking place in streets of Sumy. Residents are asked to stay at home or go to a safe place

6) Ceasefire in Mariupol to Last From 10:00 Until 17:00 Local Time, Evacuation of Civilians to Begin at 12:00

7) Zelensky Wanted to Use Nuclear Plant Provocation to Make West Impose No-Fly Zone - Ex-Ukrainian PM

Kiev Has Technical Capabilities for Nuclear Development, Ex-Ukrainian Prime Minister Says

9) Samsung Suspends Exports of Smartphones and Chips to Russia - Reports

10) Ukraine's Ex-Prime Minister Says Kiev Will Not Agree to Neutrality, Recognition of DPR, LPR
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Ukrainian authorities will not agree to the neutral status of Ukraine and the recognition of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics as the United States will not allow it, ex-Ukrainian Prime Minister Nikolay Azarov has told Sputnik.
"I think it is impossible, the Americans will not allow it. Of course, the Americans have achieved their main goal - a bloodshed between Russia and Ukraine has begun, and the longer this bloodshed continues, the longer the human, material, financial resources are spent on this conflict, the better for the Americans. They got opportunities, let's say, economic opportunities, causing enormous difficulties to Russia, and that is not a concern at all. So they are unlikely to allow [Volodymyr] Zelensky to make this sort of a decision," Azarov said.
According to Azarov, Zelensky is under pressure from "a number of gangs of Nazis and nationalists, the so-called radicals," who will not allow him to make any decisions.
The former prime minister said that Zelenskyy is "a puppet incapable of making his own decisions."

US state broadcaster interviewing a neo-nazi uncritically. I feel, Zelensky, is planning a gotterdamerung - a final fight to the finish that would bring down Ukraine and reduce the country to rubble. This is exactly how the idol of the neo-Nazis Adolf Hitler had forced the unarmed German civilians to fight a suicidal guerrilla war against the Russian Army in the final days of WW II. If Zelensky cared about Ukraine he'd surrender.

I mean the US/Anglo fascist block and their media are the same people who supported Alqaeda in Syria and bombed Syrian army while they were engaged in fighting with ISIS, it comes as no shock to me that they are now promoting and supporting Nazis in Ukraine who they have a lot in common with no matter how hard they try to hide it.

ScotchedEarth wrote: BS diatribe follows..

You ain't the only Brit (or ex-Brit) here, but you are clearly one of the unreconstructed ones who swallows the BS of Empire without blinking. Maybe once you grow up sonny, you might just learn, as I did, that the UK is nothing special, and we have a great deal to be ashamed of. So much so, that UK political whores have no business lecturing anyone...

Backman wrote:An ammunition depot in a military unit in Zhytomyr, where Javelin and NLOW were stored, was destroyed by a long-range precision weapon — Russian Defense Ministry

This conflict is going to become very important for Russia , because not only will disarm ukraine
and take control over it forever , helping Russia nation security and pushing NATO away from it.
But it will be a major experience for the Russian army , to prepare them for potential wars in europe
that Russia could face , like baltics and poland in case kaliningrad attacked.

Even though most of europe , major powers are better armed and trainned than ukraine , still the experience the russian army will get is invaluable for their military , and russia army will definitively become much more stronger ,veteran and experienced fighting versus  big countries in europe armed with modern NATO weapons.

i have no doubts the Russian general staff ,will pressure for the capture of the entire western border of ukraine to seal it from any weapons smuggling and more importantly connect with transnistria ,because if Russia can do that , it will stop any NATO attempt to provoke a war there. it will be pointless if russia can easily help them. and if Russia army capture the borders with hungary , then it will become a major opportunity to supply serbia with goods and weapons in case is attacked by NATO. but also supply hungary with pharma products from russia ,like sputnik vaccines . it will also
help hungary to have clear road to the russian army positions , so allowing russian army to supply
hungary with weapons ,food and energy and even free trade with hungary in case the EU or nato betray them ,and seek to starve their economy. Capturing ukraine borders to hungary will significantly enhance hungary capabilities for become the door for russia and chinese goods..  since now most of the european union will be blocking their airspace to russia and likely china too.


Since Russia will be under permanent war sanctions with the west ,they have nothing to lose by refusing to cooperate on anything with the west.. they are at war with russia ,and they provoked this conflict ,so russia have nothing to install a puppet government in kiev and run ukraine in any way it please.

What Russia should do , is to turn this major inconvenient conflict that NATO created for Russia ,
into a major blessing for Russia . because for the first time Russia have a huge opportunity , to
break the famous NATO iron curtain ,if the russian army manage to control the entire western border
of ukraine from odessa to the border with hungary. this will allow Russia to not only bypass european sanctions on russia by creating a russian controlled land route to transnistria/moldova but also an super important land route to the friendly hungary. And with the right diplomacy ,it will allow russia to bypass europe air blockade to russia because if hungary allows it, russia use that country as a bridge to connect to serbia and other european nations to bypass european sanctions and or for providing them security. if i was russia , i will try to lure Hungary towards the russian orbit. Russia needs allies , that could allow russia military to freely move deep inside europe but also sell its energy directly to central europe . Now that russia will control the ukraine pipeline , Russia can offer hungary to become the major energy hub of russian natural gas to all europe . there is lots of opportunities , for russia in ukraine ,to for the first time bypass western sanctions and lure many countries in central europe towards russian orbit ,at least for a trade alliance ,using alternative payment transfer system russia created ,bypassing the sanctions.

LMFS wrote: It is just fair to revert it and get that nazi scum out of the lands they have occupied in Eastern Ukraine in the last few years and back into the shithole they should not have left to start with.

Disagree strongly. In fact, Russia needs to grant permanent land settlement rights to as many Nazis as possible. Each of them will be granted a 6'x2' plot to call their own. Land is expensive however, so as an economy measure, they will need to share and their plots will be stacked vertically to maximise the housing density.

rigoletto wrote:Russia does not seek to divide Ukraine into parts, Kremlin spokesman says

The Kremlin spokesman emphasized that Russia did not seek to divide Ukraine into
parts but only wanted to ensure its own national security

https://tass.com/politics/1417071

Agree wholeheartedly. Take the Center and East and try to spare civilian causalities and infrastructure destruction.  Then take the West and level that Nazi-infested shithole, preferably with LPR/DPR units plus a few token units of ex-Ukrainian military troops along for the ride (i'll bet there are plenty who would like a chance at settling some scores with the Ukroratz).

You can run, little orc, but you can't hide