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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4
Walther von Oldenburg- Posts : 1725
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4
Walther von Oldenburg 06/03/22, 03:49 am
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My guy, tanks and bekhas are one thingALAMO wrote:Take some herbs, drama queens ...
That base taken is about the same size as the gear we can report as really lost by the Russian army.
Su34s and su30s are completely other
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is some part of Ukrainian AD and AF destroyed already,?
How do you think would US invasion of Ukraine have gone with a similar sized force?
A big part was destroyed. I doubt they still have surveillance radars working. Now what's left works on its own. Russia isn't going deep inside Ukraine where its more hostile, they fly around the russian forces.
US would have suffered just as much but they would have kept their distance and launch way more cruise missiles and ARMs.
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Ukraine has received a crazy number of MANPADS apart from the IGLAs that they already had. So they are firing 5-6 MANPADS at one helicopter.Isos wrote:US would have suffered just as much but they would have kept their distance and launch way more cruise missiles and ARMs.
U.S never faced a similar challenge in either Iraq or Afghanistan.
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Losses will occur - the Russians will just have to keep them relatively low. So far so good. What you guys should also consider is that NATO is probably covertly supplying intel to the Ukronazis. They have very good satellite and other means of intelligence. It is possible to fire Buks and other semi-active missiles "blind" if they know the flight paths of incoming aircraft and helicopters.
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is some part of Ukrainian AD and AF destroyed already,?
How do you think would US invasion of Ukraine have gone with a similar sized force?
The US would have sanctioned it to hell for several years before and them bombed it for months with full control of all media coverage
Huge amount of civilian casualties, and Ukrainian forces mostly decimated from the air and demoralized.
Afterwards ground forces would have moved in. For Russia that isn't an option
But there is no excuse for the early failure of the air-defense, SEAD operations, VDV lackluster performance, or the logistics and engineering tail which doesn't retrieved broken down and immobilized vehicles left behind in time.
The VKS has also bombed a few civilian buildings, maybe where Ukrainian forces are present but this has still led to civilian casualties. Initial recon forces and light infantry columns did not take take proper precautions.
Definitely some inadequacies in command and planning. Inflated initial expectations seemed to have led to Russian forces being ambushed or surrounded there where they thought there wouldn't be resistance or they might even be welcomed.
From what I can see the motor-rifle and tank units have been performing fine, Kadyrov's forces doing very well, cruise missiles all hit their targets, Rosgvardia is performing great at keeping control and patrolling. Intel on the ground seems to be great. Humanitarian aid is also being dished out.
The initial op at demoralization of Ukrainian forces before the invasion worked as well, but only initially.
Don't know anything about SSO, FSB, GRU Spetsnaz, and what their performance has been like. We won't hear about it of course.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:
My guy, tanks and bekhas are one thing
Su34s and su30s are completely other
They are obliterating forces covered by the SAM umbrella unimaginable for any country in Europe, yet US itself.
You have really supposed that they will have zero losses?
This alone is a division of S-300 taken out of order. It is a diesel generator attached to each division. Both taken out of Kharkov.
I suppose the priority of rapid territorial advance is to be blamed here for real, but the Russian soldier is paying with blood for making a NATO intervention out of a question.
A limited air operation lasting 2 months to soften the AD, NATO way, would only encourage "partners" for something stupid.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4
Walther von Oldenburg 06/03/22, 04:04 am
How strong is guerilla warfare going to be?flamming_python wrote:Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is some part of Ukrainian AD and AF destroyed already,?
How do you think would US invasion of Ukraine have gone with a similar sized force?
The US would have sanctioned it to hell for several years before and them bombed it for months with full control of all media coverage
Huge amount of civilian casualties, and Ukrainian forces mostly decimated from the air and demoralized.
Afterwards ground forces would have moved in. For Russia that isn't an option
But there is no excuse for the early failure of the air-defense, SEAD operations, VDV lackluster performance, or the logistics and engineering tail which doesn't retrieved broken down and immobilized vehicles left behind in time.
The VKS has also bombed a few civilian buildings, maybe where Ukrainian forces are present but this has still led to civilian casualties. Initial recon forces and light infantry columns did not take take proper precautions.
Definitely some inadequacies in command and planning. Inflated initial expectations seemed to have led to Russian forces being ambushed or surrounded there where they thought there wouldn't be resistance or they might even be welcomed.
From what I can see the motor-rifle and tank units have been performing fine, Kadyrov's forces doing very well, cruise missiles all hit their targets, Rosgvardia is performing great at keeping control and patrolling. Intel on the ground seems to be great. Humanitarian aid is also being dished out.
The initial op at demoralization of Ukrainian forces before the invasion worked as well, but only initially.
Don't know anything about SSO, FSB, GRU Spetsnaz, and what their performance has been like. We won't hear about it of course.
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I suppose close to none.
Russia won't occupy the anti-Russian part.
Russia won't occupy the anti-Russian part.
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ALAMO wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:
My guy, tanks and bekhas are one thing
Su34s and su30s are completely other
They are obliterating forces covered by the SAM umbrella unimaginable for any country in Europe, yet US itself.
You have really supposed that they will have zero losses?
This alone is a division of S-300 taken out of order. It is a diesel generator attached to each division. Both taken out of Kharkov.
I suppose the priority of rapid territorial advance is to be blamed here for real, but the Russian soldier is paying with blood for making a NATO intervention out of a question.
A limited air operation lasting 2 months to soften the AD, NATO way, would only encourage "partners" for something stupid.
The aims of the operation is understood, and Russia support it
What is not supported is just the sort of half measures going into this
There are huge combined armies with tons of PVO,
Also huge VKS bases with munitions and EW, supporting aircraft, logistics
That should be used to augment the operation
If a unit gets bogged down, destroy everything in front of it when they radio for help during ambush
The helos should be on call for CAS during ambushes
As for the VKS, I think someone is holding them back from pursuing organic aims of any airforce
I am not saying bomb indiscriminately, but when a unit is ambushed, that's when it's time to just drop the kitchen sink on everything in the area
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Mir wrote:Losses will occur - the Russians will just have to keep them relatively low. So far so good. What you guys should also consider is that NATO isprobablycovertly supplying intel to the Ukronazis. They have very good satellite and other means of intelligence. It is possible to fire Buks and other semi-active missiles "blind" if they know the flight paths of incoming aircraft and helicopters.
NATO is supplying intel to the Ukronazis, hopefully Russia soon gets the chance to return the favour.
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flamming_python wrote:
But there is no excuse for the early failure of the air-defense, SEAD operations, VDV lackluster performance, or the logistics and engineering tail which doesn't retrieved broken down and immobilized vehicles left behind in time.
The VKS has also bombed a few civilian buildings, maybe where Ukrainian forces are present but this has still led to civilian casualties. Initial recon forces and light infantry columns did not take take proper precautions.
Definitely some inadequacies in command and planning. Inflated initial expectations seemed to have led to Russian forces being ambushed or surrounded there where they thought there wouldn't be resistance or they might even be welcomed.
From what I can see the motor-rifle and tank units have been performing fine, Kadyrov's forces doing very well, cruise missiles all hit their targets, Rosgvardia is performing great at keeping control and patrolling. Intel on the ground seems to be great. Humanitarian aid is also being dished out.
The initial op at demoralization of Ukrainian forces before the invasion worked as well, but only initially.
Don't know anything about SSO, FSB, GRU Spetsnaz, and what their performance has been like. We won't hear about it of course.
I'm curious about the Russian attempt to offset informational advantages provided by NATO's.
On subject of Kadyrov's forces tho.. i hope they can tone down a bit and not doing stuff they're infamous for, hahaha.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:
The aims of the operation is understood, and Russia support it
What is not supported is just the sort of half measures going into this
There are huge combined armies with tons of PVO,
Also huge VKS bases with munitions and EW, supporting aircraft, logistics
That should be used to augment the operation
If a unit gets bogged down, destroy everything in front of it when they radio for help during ambush
The helos should be on call for CAS during ambushes
As for the VKS, I think someone is holding them back from pursuing organic aims of any airforce
I am not saying bomb indiscriminately, but when a unit is ambushed, that's when it's time to just drop the kitchen sink on everything in the area
I have something more relaxing for you ;-)
This is a meeting with women, as we will have a 8th of March soon - it is an international Women's Day, but not sure if non-Russian/Slavic members are aware that it is kind of real important day.
He is telling them that no-fly-zone idea would make any country trying to implement it, a side of conflict with Russia. And they give a shit if they would be a member or not.
What is funny, a 'member' in Russian is chlen', and that is contextually translated to penis
So after saying that they won't give a shit about a country being a ... dick ...
he corrects himself in a second saying "chlen alianca" - "a member of any alliance", to make it sure it won't sound as a dick in from of women auditory Werewolf, magnumcromagnon, Big_Gazza, kvs, Hole, lancelot, Mir and like this post
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Isos wrote:Another su-34 may have been down. So 2 su-34 and 1 su-30 and 1 mi-24 today. They suck at SEAD. Bring those kh-25P and kh-31 and drones. Where are the su-57 to launch kh-31 from safe areas ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1500115274070114310
Two Mi 35s...
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West uses Moldova to supply arms to Ukraine
Various sources are spreading information that Moldova serves as an intermediary for
the supply of lethal weapons from NATO to the Ukrainian Armed Forces through the airfield
in Marculesti.
If everything they say turns out to be true, we can conclude that Moldova is undermining the
constitutional order, one of the foundations of which is the neutral status of the country.
https://en.news-front.info/2022/03/05/west-uses-moldova-to-supply-arms-to-ukraine/
Various sources are spreading information that Moldova serves as an intermediary for
the supply of lethal weapons from NATO to the Ukrainian Armed Forces through the airfield
in Marculesti.
If everything they say turns out to be true, we can conclude that Moldova is undermining the
constitutional order, one of the foundations of which is the neutral status of the country.
https://en.news-front.info/2022/03/05/west-uses-moldova-to-supply-arms-to-ukraine/
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Orlan wrote:Isos wrote:Another su-34 may have been down. So 2 su-34 and 1 su-30 and 1 mi-24 today. They suck at SEAD. Bring those kh-25P and kh-31 and drones. Where are the su-57 to launch kh-31 from safe areas ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1500115274070114310
Two Mi 35s...
Three jets in a single day
The Russians are awful at SEAD....
Let alone SU-34 losses, that's a big deal.
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rigoletto wrote:West uses Moldova to supply arms to Ukraine
Various sources are spreading information that Moldova serves as an intermediary for
the supply of lethal weapons from NATO to the Ukrainian Armed Forces through the airfield
in Marculesti.
If everything they say turns out to be true, we can conclude that Moldova is undermining the
constitutional order, one of the foundations of which is the neutral status of the country.
https://en.news-front.info/2022/03/05/west-uses-moldova-to-supply-arms-to-ukraine/
Since when would that worry NATO, they will push to the limit.
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Captured UA gear near Kherson. Already being loaded onto transporters 
EDIT
Same place, same time but a view from on the ground
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Same place, same time but a view from on the ground
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Finally, Western analysts are beginning to talk sense.
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So I commented on a BavakTaghvahee twitt showing two tor that have no Z on the side captured by ukrainian that they may be ukrainians and used for propaganda and he blocked me... report him if you can to close his twitter. He is an asshole.
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:How strong is guerilla warfare going to be?flamming_python wrote:Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is some part of Ukrainian AD and AF destroyed already,?
How do you think would US invasion of Ukraine have gone with a similar sized force?
The US would have sanctioned it to hell for several years before and them bombed it for months with full control of all media coverage
Huge amount of civilian casualties, and Ukrainian forces mostly decimated from the air and demoralized.
Afterwards ground forces would have moved in. For Russia that isn't an option
But there is no excuse for the early failure of the air-defense, SEAD operations, VDV lackluster performance, or the logistics and engineering tail which doesn't retrieved broken down and immobilized vehicles left behind in time.
The VKS has also bombed a few civilian buildings, maybe where Ukrainian forces are present but this has still led to civilian casualties. Initial recon forces and light infantry columns did not take take proper precautions.
Definitely some inadequacies in command and planning. Inflated initial expectations seemed to have led to Russian forces being ambushed or surrounded there where they thought there wouldn't be resistance or they might even be welcomed.
From what I can see the motor-rifle and tank units have been performing fine, Kadyrov's forces doing very well, cruise missiles all hit their targets, Rosgvardia is performing great at keeping control and patrolling. Intel on the ground seems to be great. Humanitarian aid is also being dished out.
The initial op at demoralization of Ukrainian forces before the invasion worked as well, but only initially.
Don't know anything about SSO, FSB, GRU Spetsnaz, and what their performance has been like. We won't hear about it of course.
Russia has little time to force a political resolution
Those Ukrainian troops in the north Donbass cauldron can be used as bargaining chips. The Ukrainian garrison in Kharkov too.
If it doesn't work so then Russia will have to withdraw more to the east of the country. Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolayev, Kherson. Declare a new Ukrainian state (Ukrainian Federation for example), and form up a local army, using the DNR/LNR armies as a core. There is no point staying around Kiev, in my view.
But of course I'm not a military strategist and I don't know what the plans are. But attempts at staying in any part of central Ukraine, maybe with the exception of Sumy - are going to lead to a lot of Russian casualties, and civilian ones too. The east is more manageable. Even though Russia shouldn't have gone anywhere into the Ukraine the first place, in my view.
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rigoletto wrote:West uses Moldova to supply arms to Ukraine
Various sources are spreading information that Moldova serves as an intermediary for
the supply of lethal weapons from NATO to the Ukrainian Armed Forces through the airfield
in Marculesti.
If everything they say turns out to be true, we can conclude that Moldova is undermining the
constitutional order, one of the foundations of which is the neutral status of the country.
https://en.news-front.info/2022/03/05/west-uses-moldova-to-supply-arms-to-ukraine/
Moldova should be liberated also while on the move.
But seriously: Moldova, yesterday I think, made a pledge to join the EU. Western powers are on offensive.
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Moldova is a poorer Romania.
Let them hold the flag of the biggest shithole in Europe, while Ukraine is out of the contest.
Let them hold the flag of the biggest shithole in Europe, while Ukraine is out of the contest.
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They'll be shipped to Lviv via Poland early next week.
Salary: $3,000 a month.
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Pepe Escobar
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GUR, Ukranian intel, is now in western Idlib in Syria.
Mission: regiment jihadis of Islamic Party of Turkestan, led by one Azizi Douti.
They'll be shipped to Lviv via Poland early next week.
Salary: $3,000 a month.
Who's paying?
EU "financial assistance" to Kiev.
The Eurasianist
@Russ_Warrior·2hThe ISIS members who are reportedly headed to #Ukraine underwent special training at the #US army’s Al Tanf military base in Syria.
MilitaryLand.net
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Ukrainian Volunteer Corps, Right Sector has sent more units to southern and eastern Ukraine to help stabilize the situation. #Ukraine #UkraineRussiaWar #RightSector
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