Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

rigoletto wrote:This women run away from Kiev "due to the war" and suddenly: I don't know how but I'm living in Denmark now.

Sound like someone who had a economic refugee plan...

limb wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:They love their choppers. I guess they will order another 500 ka-52 and mi-28 very soon

More Su-30SM's would be nice.

Su-57 and a lot of checkmate. Su-30 and its two pilots is not needed anymore.

Those arent ready yet though, but hell, I would be happy to see those.

That's western propaganda. Su-57 should be fully in service and in mass production. It was worth the wait . There's no reason to use itin Ukraine because Ukraine has no aircraft.


Btw why doesn't Russia use armed drones as suicide recon in order to draw fire from ukrainian man pads and optically guided SAMs? This would present Ukrainians with the dilemma of shooting down the armed drone and then to be destroyed themselves or hope that the armed drone won't spot them(unlikely).

limb wrote:

rigoletto wrote:This women run away from Kiev "due to the war" and suddenly: I don't know how but I'm living in Denmark now.

Sound like someone who had a economic refugee plan...

East Slavic women are some of the most self serving, manipulative and west worshipping people around. Their only goal is to enrich themselves by finding sugar daddies and flaunting material wealth. I read a poll which showed that the demographic in Russia which opposes the special Operation the most  is young females. A lotpl moreRussian women than men worship the west since they associate with glamour, good looking guys, and female privilege.

Isos wrote:They love their choppers. I guess they will order another 500 ka-52 and mi-28 very soon.

ALAMO wrote:

Hole wrote:
Berserkers in Mariupol

This is very accurate.
Watched an interview with the commander of Vostok battalion of the DNR militia.
He talked a lot about the real combat value of the Chechen corps.
Not impressive.
I will try to find that, but long story short, they look fancy&pro only.
They lack any heavy equipment, and the arms they have are actually lighter than republican militias forces.
Training is hardly existing - they know how to make a noise around, parade, keep the weapon in a fashion way - but in real they are ordering forces only.
Cooperation with combined forces is zero. Understanding of modern battlefield technology is zero.
They must have been guarded & taught.
Drones usage is nin-existing, they know shit about it.
Recon of the battlefield is missing.
On the very arrival, some of them took an armored car, and rushed into the Mariupol, with no plan of what they are going to do. Ukros rusted them in minutes, leaving nice materials for agitprop only.
He does not underestimate the spirit & fighting will of them, only pointing at the lack of proper training with the modern technology and battlefield. Sure, Chechenya has some much better trained troops, with real experience from Syria and war on the Caucasus, but those presented are just a freshly  mobilized infantry.

ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
They are Rosgvardia

These are Gendarmie style troops, internal security. So making sweeps of villages looking for people, patrol of roads, guarding various facilities, acting as a kind of militarized police force, maybe some action against commandos or terrorists at most; all in unstable territory but nevertheless behind the front-line.

They are neither equipped nor trained for such heavy urban warfare. You can see that the heaviest stuff they are equipped with are PKMs. They don't need drones, or RPGs, or anything like that for the tasks they are trained to perform.

For storming cities you really do need those Syrian and Hezbollah mercs put into action

As for the Serbs and Africans they'll probably be better suited to lighter action, and under supervision as well

Yes, this is exactly what he was telling.
Those are light troopers to be used as backup & control forces.
As Kadyrov's propaganda presents them as spearheads of offensive - it may bring opposite results.
They will get killed in numbers, doing a job they are not suitable for.
This is a pure psyops, so would be great if some of my fellow members hold their charge
Still, they will be very useful in a sweeping operation, searching for ammo depots, controlling the villages etc.

limb wrote:

rigoletto wrote:This women run away from Kiev "due to the war" and suddenly: I don't know how but I'm living in Denmark now.

Sound like someone who had a economic refugee plan...

East Slavic women are some of the most self serving, manipulative and west worshipping people around. Their only goal is to enrich themselves by finding sugar daddies and flaunting material wealth. I read a poll which showed that the demographic in Russia which opposes the special Operation the most  is young females. A lotpl moreRussian women than men worship the west since they associate with glamour, good looking guys, and female privilege.

Arrow wrote:Additionally, Russia is fighting alone.  In the case of Iraq, there was a coalition and 500k troops in a desert storm.  It is not known what the purpose of Russia is.  The forces in Ukraine are too small to take over most of the country.  Or even the entire east of Ukraine from the Dnieper.  For now, Ukraine is not willing to make any concessions.

limb wrote: East Slavic women are some of the most self serving, manipulative and west worshipping people around. Their only goal is to enrich themselves by finding sugar daddies and flaunting material wealth. I read a poll which showed that the demographic in Russia which opposes the special Operation the most is young females. A lotpl moreRussian women than men worship the west since they associate with glamour, good looking guys, and female privilege.

mavaff wrote:I have found this uber interesting.

I've seen a lot of people confused about the Russian goals and misusing the term "blitzkrieg" a lot, so here's a quick explanation of Deep Battle (DB), the foundation of Russian doctrine.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1503772074124398595.html

Arrow wrote:Additionally, Russia is fighting alone.  In the case of Iraq, there was a coalition and 500k troops in a desert storm.  It is not known what the purpose of Russia is.  The forces in Ukraine are too small to take over most of the country.  Or even the entire east of Ukraine from the Dnieper.  For now, Ukraine is not willing to make any concessions.

flamming_python wrote:


As for the Serbs and Africans they'll probably be better suited to lighter action, and under supervision as well. The Africans have battle experience but I'm not sure how translatable it would be to a European theater.

Regular wrote:

mavaff wrote:I have found this uber interesting.

I've seen a lot of people confused about the Russian goals and misusing the term "blitzkrieg" a lot, so here's a quick explanation of Deep Battle (DB), the foundation of Russian doctrine.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1503772074124398595.html

Two old doctrines, I am no expert, but would any of them work in the modern world when mobility is much greater, artillery is more accurate and any concentrations of troops can be targetted without engaging them head-on. So far we didn't see any WW2 type of decisive engagements. Not to mention that Russia doesn't have a numeric advantage and they are trying to minimize civilian casualties so they have their hands tied behind their backs. It doesn't have much freedom and the whole situation demands military to be very flexible.

In my opinion, if deep battle was employed, there won't be Ukraine at all. Also, to Russians do target Ukrainian weak points and don't engage/bypass the less mobile Ukrainian concentrations. It's not Deep Battle, but it's not Blitzkrieg as well.

Regular wrote:

flamming_python wrote:


As for the Serbs and Africans they'll probably be better suited to lighter action, and under supervision as well. The Africans have battle experience but I'm not sure how translatable it would be to a European theater.

DNR should do the job on their own, no need for African BVLLS and Syrians. If they want to come, then yeah, rear echelon has to be filled, but say what ever you want, these people will never be effective or motivated as DNR guys. And yes, Chechens are good for smoking some terrorists hiding in the house, that's why they are sweeping villages like they did in Chechnya, I told my opinion before and I am glad it was validated by real people on the ground. I personally don't have much love for Kadyrovs antics.

flamming_python wrote:

They might not be as motivated but they are professionals, particularly the Syrians. Their urban combat experience is invaluable IMO. The Hezzies too, professional light infantry.

Dunno what roles the Serbs can fill. I'm sure they have some good snipers.

And Africans. Dunno. Dunno what kind of warfare they have in the Central African Republic. Or don't want to find out.

Regular wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

They might not be as motivated but they are professionals, particularly the Syrians. Their urban combat experience is invaluable IMO. The Hezzies too, professional light infantry.

Dunno what roles the Serbs can fill. I'm sure they have some good snipers.

And Africans. Dunno. Dunno what kind of warfare they have in the Central African Republic. Or don't want to find out.

Africans that were trained by Wagner should be good auxiliary forces. I mean, if they fight terribly, then use them as support troops. It's weird that Russian volunteers are not needed in this war, you guys have tons of veterans who stand head and shoulders above foreigners. I am talking about 2014-2015 volunteers that came back to Russia. They know Ukrainian military, their tactics, have the motivation, and have been through hell.