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Log inflamming_python wrote:But they're people who are fulfilling their duty in just protecting their state from attack, not protecting the regime
Same defense was used by Wehrmacht in 1946. Funny thing is that the West didn't buy that at the time...
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
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Same defense was used by Wehrmacht in 1946. Funny thing is that the West didn't buy that at the time...
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Regular wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/33124another zrada! The footage that dispersed ukroSMI as the destruction of the Russian Mi-24 helicopter turned out to be the last seconds of the life of the AFU pilot Alexander Marinyak in early March.
Guys the mi24 that was downed that supposedly was VKS, has now been confirmed to be VSU mi24
This is the video that was taken from elevated position, with mi24 being hit and exploding mid air , traveling on screen from left to right
So it wasn't CGI and what was this, friendly fire?
If it is real (I remain unconvinced) , I can't understand how the video was taken from an elevated and apparently immobile position. The Mi-24 paint scheme was decidedly unconventional, the missile itself looked to be a command-guided targeted intercept like a Tor or Pantsir, so its not gun camera footage of a helo-launched AAM
Fog of war indeed, and this latest claim does little to reveal the truth.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
littlerabbit Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:57 pm
Arkanghelsk wrote:
It's better for you not to waste your time, you will lose health through stress
Just enjoy the show
Stop trying to convince anyone, it's really doesn't matter or factor into Russia
Lavrov has said Russia will not attempt to repair relations
Russia doesn't give a **** no more my man
Just let it go
So true, I can confirm that from my own experience. Back in 90's my country (Serbia) and people were heavily satanized by the collective West.
We still feel the consequences on daily bases.
You can't fight all out hysteria, just keep your people, your country and yourself safe and healthy.
It won't go away that easy (if ever), they will hate you the same whatever you do.
Only hope is represented by sane and honest people in the West, but sorry to say, majority are brainwashed.
That's the real tragedy.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
Airbornewolf Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:08 am
littlerabbit wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:
It's better for you not to waste your time, you will lose health through stress
Just enjoy the show
Stop trying to convince anyone, it's really doesn't matter or factor into Russia
Lavrov has said Russia will not attempt to repair relations
Russia doesn't give a **** no more my man
Just let it go
So true, I can confirm that from my own experience. Back in 90's my country (Serbia) and people were heavily satanized by the collective West.
We still feel the consequences on daily bases.
You can't fight all out hysteria, just keep your people, your country and yourself safe and healthy.
It won't go away that easy (if ever), they will hate you the same whatever you do.
Only hope is represented by sane and honest people in the West, but sorry to say, majority are brainwashed.
That's the real tragedy.
As i live in the West and EU, Most here still look down upon Serb's that are second rate citizens of the EU.
That deserved to be tought an lesson with an NATO bombing campaign.
Always "that bunch that you have to keep down as they still like russia".
I am not sure how bombing critical infrastructure,embassy's and hospitals are viable millitary targets.....
But like you said. brainwashed.
But that is the West its problem, it should NEVER become your people's problem.
Stick to Russia, and things will be fine for Serbia.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
Dr.Snufflebug Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:42 am
Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Doesn't match the look of the Delyatyn depot though. Besides, Ivano-Frankivsk is a far western region, I find it difficult to believe they'd have a drone loitering there.
Footage shows something else, IMO.
As I said. Geolocated the footage to the southern outskirts of Izyum, some old barn.
Nothing to do with the underground Delyatyn depot or any Kinzhals. Most likely some makeshift VSU gathering place or ammo storage, and the munition is perhaps Krasnopol, given the drone footage.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
Podlodka77 Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:50 am
Airbornewolf wrote:littlerabbit wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:
It's better for you not to waste your time, you will lose health through stress
Just enjoy the show
Stop trying to convince anyone, it's really doesn't matter or factor into Russia
Lavrov has said Russia will not attempt to repair relations
Russia doesn't give a **** no more my man
Just let it go
So true, I can confirm that from my own experience. Back in 90's my country (Serbia) and people were heavily satanized by the collective West.
We still feel the consequences on daily bases.
You can't fight all out hysteria, just keep your people, your country and yourself safe and healthy.
It won't go away that easy (if ever), they will hate you the same whatever you do.
Only hope is represented by sane and honest people in the West, but sorry to say, majority are brainwashed.
That's the real tragedy.
As i live in the West and EU, Most here still look down upon Serb's that are second rate citizens of the EU.
That deserved to be tought an lesson with an NATO bombing campaign.
Always "that bunch that you have to keep down as they still like russia".
I am not sure how bombing critical infrastructure,embassy's and hospitals are viable millitary targets.....
But like you said. brainwashed.
But that is the West its problem, it should NEVER become your people's problem.
Stick to Russia, and things will be fine for Serbia.
don't worry, we still have spirit ...
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Broski wrote:Bad news guys, according to the Kiev Independent, 18000 Russian troops have been killed by the Ukrops as of March 14th!
The good news is, uhh... Russia has resurrected 3600 of them as of March 19th
Either way, at this rate, Russia's troop losses will soon be 0.
I believe psychologists call it projection.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:01 am
The prices of everything are rising highly this is another reason why Kremlin conducts a steady meat grinder on VSU
Gas prices soar, and the cost of war is too high for the West, it's damaging the civilian life, I see on telegram gas prices, they are paying up to 7 dollars a liter in some places
It may be cynical but Lavrov indeed said, we will not repair relations. Let the West find it's way out of the mess they made.
This also is the reality of war in Ukraine
The West is chained to it economically they need to sell propaganda victories to keep their citizenry calm
Some protests already are breaking out
Gas prices soar, and the cost of war is too high for the West, it's damaging the civilian life, I see on telegram gas prices, they are paying up to 7 dollars a liter in some places
It may be cynical but Lavrov indeed said, we will not repair relations. Let the West find it's way out of the mess they made.
This also is the reality of war in Ukraine
The West is chained to it economically they need to sell propaganda victories to keep their citizenry calm
Some protests already are breaking out
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ucmvulcan wrote:Broski wrote:Bad news guys, according to the Kiev Independent, 18000 Russian troops have been killed by the Ukrops as of March 14th!
The good news is, uhh... Russia has resurrected 3600 of them as of March 19th
Either way, at this rate, Russia's troop losses will soon be 0.
I believe psychologists call it projection.
95 planes ? Ukraine is a big country, where did they fall?
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The receiving end of a Mr TOS visit
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:13 am
Canada says it has ‘exhausted’ its stock of weapons
The country has sent thousands of rocket launchers, grenades, and kit to assist Ukraine amid its conflict with Russia
“I believe that we have exhausted our inventory … to the extent that we are able to provide [more] weapons,” Anand said during a live appearance on CBC on Friday.
“There are capacity issues we need to make sure we are on top of for the purposes of ensuring the Canadian Armed Forces are well resourced,” she added.
The country has sent thousands of rocket launchers, grenades, and kit to assist Ukraine amid its conflict with Russia
“I believe that we have exhausted our inventory … to the extent that we are able to provide [more] weapons,” Anand said during a live appearance on CBC on Friday.
“There are capacity issues we need to make sure we are on top of for the purposes of ensuring the Canadian Armed Forces are well resourced,” she added.
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So much Ukrop stupidity and desperation in a single tweet...
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Airbornewolf wrote:I kicked off an channel on Odysee. lets see to what extend they let me post about the war in Ukraine.
https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8?view=content
I am following.
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Since most of you have left the topic of weapons systems, I have to deviate a little from the topic.
I know that this is not the topic of this story, but I have a feeling that after this conflict, the production of Su-57 aircraft will be increased. I think that an additional contingent could be ordered on the already ordered 76 planes until 2027.
This also applies to the T-90M tanks and of course the T-14.
And off course, more submarines...
I know that this is not the topic of this story, but I have a feeling that after this conflict, the production of Su-57 aircraft will be increased. I think that an additional contingent could be ordered on the already ordered 76 planes until 2027.
This also applies to the T-90M tanks and of course the T-14.
And off course, more submarines...
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JohninMK wrote:The receiving end of a Mr TOS visit
apparently this is a burning gas leak from a gas line, not TOS.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
Airbornewolf Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:09 am
Podlodka77 wrote:Since most of you have left the topic of weapons systems, I have to deviate a little from the topic.
I know that this is not the topic of this story, but I have a feeling that after this conflict, the production of Su-57 aircraft will be increased. I think that an additional contingent could be ordered on the already ordered 76 planes until 2027.
This also applies to the T-90M tanks and of course the T-14.
And off course, more submarines...
The difference between Western Arms manufacturers, and those of Russia..
Is that Russia's millitary doctrine has always been focused on War.
It never forgot its lessons learned.
For example, the west can build an for example an M1 or an Leo2.
But Russia can field for that same amount of resources 2 of them.
An tank that is crewed by fewer Men, an autoloading system, is lighter, (can more easily cross bridges,terrain,pontoons) lower (harder to target) etc.
Russians know they will take casualties along the way, "high-tech" is irrelevant when you are outnumbered.
This philosophy of "it has to work in war on its own" is found in multiple weapon systems.
Like the MI-24's YAK-B 12.7 MM That relies on its own gas mechanism's instead of the Western Minigun that needs an electro-motor to function.
Inter-exchangable helicopter parts between the MI-8 and MI-24.
The RPG-7, where you carry multiple relatively light projectiles, with an primary launcher unit.
I rather had the RPG than the AT-4 in my service that was just as heavy but was just one shot.
There are plenty more examples.
And yes, after my tours in Afghanistan i fell in love with Soviet Weaponry.
So Russia should focus on the weapon systems in this war that required the least ammount of attention and where dependable.
Remember, Russia is inventing the global millitary rule-book on modern warfare as they go now.
No country on earth fought an war that is pretty much an open conflict with NATO on it's own.
You name an class or role in war, Russia has to execute it.
Electronic warfare.
Media warfare.
Mass deployment.
Warscale logistical lines.
Ballistic warfare.
Air combat and domination.
Combined Arms missions.
Fire support missions.
Naval operations.
Drone Warfare.
CQB, where there are multi-story buildings everywhere.
Humanitarian relief.
Air defense suppression.
Intelligence gathering.
And the list goes on....and on.
I did the logistics in NATO. they would not even know where to begin.......
Yes, their few NATO c-17's and Airbusses haul weapons to Poland.
But thats all they are capable off.
I stood on an loading exercise of NATO for Scotland. And "we" managed to take like less than half of our tanks because NATO had no transportation ships of its own available.
And rented out an civilian ferry, they just disregarded the whole rulebook that the civilian industry adheres too.
I could go on for an while about NATO logistical blunders.....
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
GunshipDemocracy Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:09 am
Podlodka77 wrote:
95 planes ? Ukraine is a big country, where did they fall?
But its true with airplanes ! Russian MoD recently confirmed 95 of downed airplanes of UAF
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
Airbornewolf Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:42 am
@ GarryB, i sticked the RDN refference on Odysee.
If you want me to remove it. i will without question. its your forum.
I made an personal decision that if someone tried to google it that they came here where another opinion was voiced.
Especially for Western viewers of the content.
Currently out of bit-tokens, so i first need to generate views before furthers uploads.
No...everybody does not need to click like crazy. i just need to wait a bit.
Channel:
https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8
the most complete experience:
https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/Ukraine20220318:4
War @ 8:07.
If you want me to remove it. i will without question. its your forum.
I made an personal decision that if someone tried to google it that they came here where another opinion was voiced.
Especially for Western viewers of the content.
Currently out of bit-tokens, so i first need to generate views before furthers uploads.
No...everybody does not need to click like crazy. i just need to wait a bit
.Channel:
https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8
the most complete experience:
https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/Ukraine20220318:4
War @ 8:07.
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d_taddei2 wrote:Although we have seen 2S7 pion being used still waiting for the Tulpan 240mm mortar in action. An ideal weapon for buildings and I would imagine that it will have a fairly psychological effect on enemy troops in the area.
I don't think it will be too long before we see Ukrainian forces turning on neo Nazi battalions. And telling zelensky to f*ck off. The hype of being a national hero and fighting the big bad Russians soon wear off when u realise your government don't give a crap and your deprived of sleep, hungry, mentally and physically drained, u miss Ur loved ones, low on ammo, being shouted at by some neo Nazi zealot who would rather die than give in and expects u to do the same. You realise your life is worthless to your superiors, and that your up against a better equipped enemy who is making progress and the chances of NATO coming to help you is zero. Suddenly you no longer want to fight especially those who were forced to fight with zero training.
The tilting point I feel isn't so far away.
I guess there are some factors that have yet to kick in to collapse the VSU:
- News about the general rout spreading
- Number of bona fide nazis in each unit dwindling
- Regions where the families of the fighters are located falling to Russian control
That is exactly the reason why the propaganda has been turned in overdrive, to keep the soldiers and population deluded and delay the unavoidable, but the real engagement of the ukrainian society with the Kiev junta will be really seen when they are not anymore in condition to retaliate against them.
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Podlodka77 wrote:Since most of you have left the topic of weapons systems, I have to deviate a little from the topic.
I know that this is not the topic of this story, but I have a feeling that after this conflict, the production of Su-57 aircraft will be increased. I think that an additional contingent could be ordered on the already ordered 76 planes until 2027.
This also applies to the T-90M tanks and of course the T-14.
And off course, more submarines...
I think UAV in general are the clear winners. Orion in numbers are missing, but also Okhotnik and very importantly Altius and Helios RLD.
Among the fighters, the LTS is what is called for in this type of mission. Many of them. And some bigger bombers with low RCS would be a nice addition too
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7
flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:26 am
Arkanghelsk wrote:Ipsan, many don't understand the war but its quite visible
Personally I believe the objective is to destroy the VSU
At first it was to possibly work out an agreement
But then I believe the nature of the conflict has taken on an assault/raid nature where they are attempting to destroy the VSU , they need to kill as many of them as they can that are willing to resist before imposing balkanization
They want to wack as many nazis as they can
In this case the kill count is the biggest indicator
VSU approached 30,000 KIA
So the mission is literally demilitarization, de nazification
They are killing scores of them now, more pressure is being applied everytime they send a battalion to the afterlife by kalibration
That's why I think they approach it this way, they want to kill probably the bulk of Ukrainian nationalists and they need to score several thousands more before moving to the next phase
Where are you getting your info from?
The only barracks they have taken out is the Nikolayev one
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https://t.me/russnasledie/1892
Russian cities.
What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Kharkov is a Russian city! It was founded in the 1630s. Little Russians who fled from the Poles from the right bank of the Dnieper settled there. Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich built a fortress there and founded the Kharkov Voivodeship in 1656. What does some Ukraine have to do with it?
Sumy - founded by Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich no later than 1655. The tsar allowed the Little Russian refugees, who were killed by the Poles, to settle there. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Poltava - was in the XVII century the center of pro-Russian-minded Little Russia. For this, the traitor Hetman Vygovsky (something like the current Klichkov and Yatsenyukov) attacked the city and sold its inhabitants into slavery to the Crimean Tatars. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Dnepropetrovsk - founded by Empress Catherine II in 1776 and was called Yekaterinoslav. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Lugansk - founded in 1795, when Empress Catherine II founded an iron foundry on the Lugan River. To work on it, immigrants from the central and northwestern provinces of Russia came to live in Lugansk. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Kherson - founded by Empress Catherine II in 1778 for the construction of the Russian fleet. The construction was carried out by Potemkin. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Donetsk - founded by Emperor Alexander II in 1869 during the construction of a metallurgical plant in Yuzovka. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Nikolaev was founded by Empress Catherine II in 1789. At this time, Potemkin was building the ship "Saint Nicholas" there. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Odessa - founded by Empress Catherine II in 1794 on the site of a fortress built a little earlier by Suvorov. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Chernihiv is one of the oldest Russian cities; it existed as early as the beginning of the 10th century. In 1503 he became part of Russia. In 1611, the Poles destroyed it and took this territory from the Russians. But in 1654 Chernigov returned to Russia and since then has always been an integral part of it. The question is: what does Ukraine have to do with it?
Simferopol was founded by Catherine II in 1784. It was built by Potemkin on the site of Suvorov's military camp and next to the Tatar settlement. What does Ukraine have to do with it, not a single scientist can say.
Sevastopol - founded by Catherine II in 1783 on the site of a fortress built earlier by Suvorov. Built the city of Potemkin. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Mariupol - founded in 1778 by Catherine II. She settled Greeks there - immigrants from the Crimea. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Krivoy Rog - founded by Catherine II in 1775. And it received its industrial development, as the base of metallurgy, in Soviet times. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Zaporozhye - founded by Catherine II in 1770 and was called Aleksandrovsk. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Kirovograd - was founded in 1754 by the Russian Empress Elizaveta Petrovna as a fortress to protect the southern borders of the Russian Empire from the Tatars. It was called Elisavetgrad. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Russian cities.
What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Kharkov is a Russian city! It was founded in the 1630s. Little Russians who fled from the Poles from the right bank of the Dnieper settled there. Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich built a fortress there and founded the Kharkov Voivodeship in 1656. What does some Ukraine have to do with it?
Sumy - founded by Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich no later than 1655. The tsar allowed the Little Russian refugees, who were killed by the Poles, to settle there. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Poltava - was in the XVII century the center of pro-Russian-minded Little Russia. For this, the traitor Hetman Vygovsky (something like the current Klichkov and Yatsenyukov) attacked the city and sold its inhabitants into slavery to the Crimean Tatars. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Dnepropetrovsk - founded by Empress Catherine II in 1776 and was called Yekaterinoslav. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Lugansk - founded in 1795, when Empress Catherine II founded an iron foundry on the Lugan River. To work on it, immigrants from the central and northwestern provinces of Russia came to live in Lugansk. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Kherson - founded by Empress Catherine II in 1778 for the construction of the Russian fleet. The construction was carried out by Potemkin. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Donetsk - founded by Emperor Alexander II in 1869 during the construction of a metallurgical plant in Yuzovka. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Nikolaev was founded by Empress Catherine II in 1789. At this time, Potemkin was building the ship "Saint Nicholas" there. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Odessa - founded by Empress Catherine II in 1794 on the site of a fortress built a little earlier by Suvorov. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Chernihiv is one of the oldest Russian cities; it existed as early as the beginning of the 10th century. In 1503 he became part of Russia. In 1611, the Poles destroyed it and took this territory from the Russians. But in 1654 Chernigov returned to Russia and since then has always been an integral part of it. The question is: what does Ukraine have to do with it?
Simferopol was founded by Catherine II in 1784. It was built by Potemkin on the site of Suvorov's military camp and next to the Tatar settlement. What does Ukraine have to do with it, not a single scientist can say.
Sevastopol - founded by Catherine II in 1783 on the site of a fortress built earlier by Suvorov. Built the city of Potemkin. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Mariupol - founded in 1778 by Catherine II. She settled Greeks there - immigrants from the Crimea. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Krivoy Rog - founded by Catherine II in 1775. And it received its industrial development, as the base of metallurgy, in Soviet times. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Zaporozhye - founded by Catherine II in 1770 and was called Aleksandrovsk. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
Kirovograd - was founded in 1754 by the Russian Empress Elizaveta Petrovna as a fortress to protect the southern borders of the Russian Empire from the Tatars. It was called Elisavetgrad. What does Ukraine have to do with it?
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The language map I posted before overlaps the city information above. "Ukraine" is a Bolshevik construct. But Ukrainian nationalism
is a western construct. The events of 2014 show us that the west never changed its agenda.
I am hearing Russian analysts increasingly talking about partition and that the Kiev regime is giving up on the south and east. It is
not sending everything it has to the front and is preparing for the front to move west where it still hopes to fight back with NATzO
help.
is a western construct. The events of 2014 show us that the west never changed its agenda.
I am hearing Russian analysts increasingly talking about partition and that the Kiev regime is giving up on the south and east. It is
not sending everything it has to the front and is preparing for the front to move west where it still hopes to fight back with NATzO
help.
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What kind of rocket launcher is being used at 0:17, the soldier just uses it and throws it away.
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