Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

diabetus wrote:Russia could definitely use the PR win of a major victory over UA forces in the Donbass. That cauldron needs to happen ASAP.

Quit with the PR nonsense. No one beyond arm-chair generals in forums cares about them.

Like some children running around screaming "where's muh candy". Just substitute candy with 'PR'.

nero wrote:

diabetus wrote:Russia could definitely use the PR win of a major victory over UA forces in the Donbass. That cauldron needs to happen ASAP.

Quit with the PR nonsense. No one beyond arm-chair generals in forums cares about them.

Like some children running around screaming "where's muh candy". Just substitute candy with 'PR'.

It would also greatly hasten the end of the war...

What's currently stopping the russians from advancing rapidly to zaporozhie, kremenchug and dnepropetrovsk? Isn't this area quite sparsely defended? Why cant there be an combined arms armored advance to smash into slavyansk and kramatorsk from behind, rather than assaulting avdeevka from the front?

limb wrote:What's currently stopping the russians from advancing rapidly to zaporozhie, kremenchug and dnepropetrovsk? Isn't this area quite sparsely defended? Why cant there be an combined arms armored advance to smash into slavyansk and kramatorsk from behind, rather than assaulting avdeevka from the front?

You just answered your own question. It's sparsely defended.

If you are trying to capture/defeat the enemy military, you have to go to where they are.

I found the photo of unloading of IFV from ORSK ship in Berdyansk , interesting . Most probably destined for Mariupol , but why not drive from Russian border , straight to the East of Mariupol ? Looked and saw , not many good Roads there that go around the city , to the West . Still , it is an IFV and not a Tank . Means that the Orcs are running out of Anti - Tank . For the same reason , reaching Odessa by land is difficult , without Amphibious vehicles to cross many waterways or a large pincer to the North . Much easier to reach it by a sea or large marine landing . This also saves land troops to secure positions near Nikolayev .

Werewolf wrote:So now you are resorting to more obvious trolling?
You believe that ambush tactics with modern ATGM's western or eastern is only effective against Russian tanks?

Your comprehension skills remain poor despite the fact that you live in the West. That's why you read things that were never mentioned.

The complete lack of cage armor (leave aside APS) on Russian armored formation shows the absolute lack of planning and resources. No wonder so many Russian MBTs, IFVs were effectively neutralized with ATGMs and that too indigenous Ukranian ones.

Loitering munitions like switchblade will only make things worse for the Russians.

RTN wrote:

Werewolf wrote:So now you are resorting to more obvious trolling?
You believe that ambush tactics with modern ATGM's western or eastern is only effective against Russian tanks?

Your comprehension skills remain poor despite the fact that you live in the West. That's why you read things that were never mentioned.

The complete lack of cage armor (leave aside APS) on Russian armored formation shows the absolute lack of planning and resources. No wonder so many Russian MBTs, IFVs were effectively neutralized with ATGMs and that too indigenous Ukranian ones.

Loitering munitions like switchblade will only make things worse for the Russians.

How many were neutralized by ATGMs? As opposed to T-64s, BTR-4s, etc...?

ATGMs have their role, but the vids I've seen have them used in ambush positions against lone convoys or recon platoons

A DNR fighter was interviewed that didn't appraise the Javelin too highly, claiming it's more of a propaganda weapon. The Panzerfausts were regarded as the DNR as basically the same RPG-7s but with some tacticool stuff. The most deadly anti-tank weapon we've seen so far is the Ukrainian one with a remote operator station - that one has been recognized and is the one you see videos of.

Again you're too far into info-war.

As for the switchblade, it remains to be seen.

About Russian military oversights and failures - we've seen a whole bunch. But that's not surprising - generals always prepare for the last war, not the current one. WW1 started the same, before tactics and weapons were adjusted.

What happened BTW to the Western mercs that went on safari to hunt Russians?



There was that American SF guy earlier who was talking about his people all writing final messages to their loved ones just 10 days or so into the war.

There was a Ka-52 that was targeted by no less than 9 stingers but still pulled through

It's normal in a war. No war goes to plan and everyone encounters oversights and mistakes.

RTN wrote:
The complete lack of cage armor (leave aside APS) on Russian armored formation shows the absolute lack of planning and resources. No wonder so many Russian MBTs, IFVs were effectively neutralized with ATGMs and that too indigenous Ukranian ones.

Loitering munitions like switchblade will only make things worse for the Russians.

Cage armour would only be effective against RPG-16/22, but even RPG-7 munitions used by Ukrainians can defeat cage armour. Ukrainian domestic ATGMs are built on Soviet legacy ones and their tandem charges wouldn't care much about cages. APS would be nice.

Erk wrote:

limb wrote:What's currently stopping the russians from advancing rapidly to zaporozhie, kremenchug and dnepropetrovsk? Isn't this area quite sparsely defended? Why cant there be an combined arms armored advance to smash into slavyansk and kramatorsk from behind, rather than assaulting avdeevka from the front?

You just answered your own question. It's sparsely defended.

If you are trying to capture/defeat the enemy military, you have to go to where they are.

Russia will not advance into the Ukrainian interior and interrupt sowing season regardless

Regular wrote:

RTN wrote:
The complete lack of cage armor (leave aside APS) on Russian armored formation shows the absolute lack of planning and resources. No wonder so many Russian MBTs, IFVs were effectively neutralized with ATGMs and that too indigenous Ukranian ones.

Loitering munitions like switchblade will only make things worse for the Russians.

Cage armour would only be effective against RPG-16/22, but even RPG-7 munitions used by Ukrainians can defeat cage armour. Ukrainian domestic ATGMs are built on Soviet legacy ones and their tandem charges wouldn't care much about cages. APS would be nice.

Cage armour is an oversight regardless and a pretty inexcusable one; they've had plenty of time to study the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and in fact some of their vehicles do have it, just not most.
Should be easy to rig up in a field workshop.

Was thinking about evacuating civilian hostages in towns . Why not use smoke generation on large scale ? Have several smoke generators surround the city and depending on wind direction , turn them on ? heavier than air smoke that settles in streets ?This way the Orcs can not shoot at them and they can escape on foot ? Holy smokes ! Also not harmful or illegal like CS gas .

nomadski wrote:Was thinking about evacuating civilian hostages in towns . Why not use smoke generation on large scale ? Have several smoke generators surround the city and depending on wind direction , turn them on ? heavier than air smoke that settles in streets ?This way the Orcs can not shoot at them and they can escape on foot ? Holy smokes ! Also not harmful or illegal like CS gas .

Logistically impossible, hostages seem to be only used in Mariupol. Massive town, civilians would get into crossfire blindly crossing. After this city there no wunderwaffe will be needed

flamming_python wrote:Cage armour is an oversight regardless and a pretty inexcusable one; they've had plenty of time to study the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and in fact some of their vehicles do have it, just not most.
Should be easy to rig up in a field workshop.

The Syrian army used cage armor in some of their T-72 tanks. I would not be surprised if the Russians evaluated that. If you look at the T-90M it has cage armor around the engine section in the back and it has a net under the turret. I suspect they did not do it yet because it would reduce tank mobility in the initial assault. You might see cage armor if the city fighting gets prolonged and more intense.

Regular wrote:hostages seem to be only used in Mariupol. Massive town, civilians would get into crossfire blindly crossing. After this city there no wunderwaffe will be needed

I disagree. It will likely happen in some other cities. Odessa is probably one of them.

If they hide in the subway network in the larger cities then specialized Alpha squads with tranquilizer gas might prove effective there.

lancelot wrote:

If they hide in the subway network in the larger cities then specialized Alpha squads with tranquilizer gas might prove effective there.

Sci-fi, will not happen. It's not a hostage operation like Nord-Ost, but war. There way fewer fanatics in Odesa, pro Russian city, civilians are already fleeing en masse. Not sure about Kharkov

When was Ugroza even introduced? How many Russian helos, UAVs do you know of that are carrying Ugroza?

All their helicopters and UAVs can already use lasers to mark targets and launch unguided rockets and to use Ugroza that is all they need to do... paint the target with a laser and launch the appropriate rocket.

You need to come up with better excuses.

I don't need any excuses at all, the west is unable to make affordable weapons... they just can't do it.

Western precision guided rockets are 70mm with a > 5km range. Given their precision we don't need to fire several of these rockets.

Yeah, I understand the concept, but western 70mm rockets are already rather expensive, and I can't see their guided versions being very cheap at all.

In Iraq and Afghanistan enemy snipers were neutralized with these rockets. That's how precise they are. Light armored vehicles have been destroyed with these rockets. For heavily armored vehicles we can swap precision guided rockets for precision guided missiles.

And yet the west still spends billions on wars...

Re cost, they are being mass produced for rotary platforms, fixed wing platforms and drones. Economies of scale has ensured that their cost is now at an all time low.

Which does not mean they are cheap or affordable... just that they are not as eye wateringly expensive as the 300K per shot Javelin or the 800K per shot Hellfire.

Looking at how semi skilled Ukranians are blowing Russian tanks till kingdom comes with just local ATGMs, UAVs, helos armed with these precision rockets would have wreaked havoc with any Russian armored convoy.

If you go by Orc reports the Ukraine has already won the conflict... a conflict they have been fighting for 8 years now.

US and HATO helicopters would not get anywhere near Russian armoured convoys let alone get to launch anything at them.

In built up areas of towns , where civilians and Orcs are mixed , then advance warning could be given to them , before buildings are levelled . This could be done by dispersing coloured smoke or dye ( Red ) , along streets about to be levelled , just before an attack . This gives the Orcs a choice of retreat / surrender or death . I think most will choose surrender , given a real choice . One or two examples may only be needed . Word gets around .

And what happens when they start forcing civilians into every target marked as about to be attacked?

Your mistake is thinking these nazis give a shit about their own people... these arseholes are from the Polish border and they are amongst ukrainians they see as traitors to the great ayrian cause who all should die fighting Russia.

Just kill them.

@garryb in reference to the S-5 warhead being too small.

I hear what you are saying, and with newer fuels they could probably beef up the payload a bit, but honestly I would say these days a 57mm gun probably makes more sense than a 57mm rocket launcher...

Also, it is a source of info which is being actively used by some media outlets.

Which should immediately make you think it is BS.

Captured soldiers will die en masse at the hands of his doctors, he warns in an interview
Ukrainian frontline medic claims he’s ordered castration of all Russian POWs
Gennadiy Druzenko speaks to Ukrainian TV

These are the sorts of people the Russians are killing in the Ukraine.... good hunting boys... you are doing the world a favour killing these nazis.

The US and Turkey are reportedly in talks over a deal for Ankara to send its Russian-made S-400 missile defense systems to Ukraine in exchange for the scrapping of sanctions imposed by Washington on its fellow NATO member.

The level of desperation is becoming amusing... Venezuela and Iran and now Turkey...

If Russia will not be able to destabilize the Kiev regime then it will have to withdraw, and at that point Putin can be overthrown and the game is over.

**** the Ukraine.... let then have a full scale civil war and let the majority let the nazis know what they really think... once Russia pulls back it is not their problem...

But it's all for nothing if Russia undergoes regime-change after a lost and catastrophic war.
LIKEDISLIKE

Putin getting overthrown is your and the wests deluded wet dream...

Ever the parasitic thieves, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has proposed the confiscation of Russian-owned properties, as part of broad sanctions in response to Moscow's attack on Ukraine.

I like that you posted this, not the fact that the Polish PM is a .

Personally I think any Russian that has property or a business in Poland deserves to lose it, but what Russia does about it is up to them.

Not so sad that Polish plane with all those politicians crashed now... thanks for that...

It's wasted breath to continue to cry about "when will Ukranians break the propaganda spell on them"... "If only they could see that this or that leadership is evil and doesn't care about them".... How about you stop being a child with kindergarten, emotionally fueled takes. That's not how it works.

At the end of the day if they pick up arms they will get killed. It is not Russias job to fix them... kill the obvious nazis and then leave a neutral country behind that has its teeth removed.

Can't be, no wood and no screws

Maybe there are parts missing and incomprehensible assembly instructions?

Rather than liberate Bandera-stan with ease back in 2014 or so.

Bollocks... Russia didn't even make its own helicopter engines back then and were largely an untested force... they would have starved when the EU banned EU food imports to Russia if they invaded in 2014...

It is much better it happens now and not earlier and certainly not later.

But attacking Ukrainian soldiers in their barracks with cruise missiles, even if they're engaging in combat while stupidly not vacating such objects - is criminal IMO. Message could have been given with another smaller missile like was done the first time.

Get real... when Saddam agreed to withdraw his forces from Kuwait in the early 1990s the US heroically bombed their columns of forces in open retreat.... they murdered tens of thousands of retreating soldiers.

Killing soldiers in their barracks is just common sense... there is nothing sporting about war.

If they are stupid enough to be in their barracks then you don't want them to be wandering around with firearms.

Those same soldiers however are using human shields by firing artillery from residential areas

Make up your mind.

Fortunately you don't get the choice to decide, and neither do we.

If they hide in the subway network in the larger cities then specialized Alpha squads with tranquilizer gas might prove effective there.

Would be easier to just flood tunnels...

Here's the paradox: At a time when India confronts China's border aggression, including its threat of a full-scale war, Biden won't open his mouth on that aggression. Yet an insensitive Biden calls "shaky" India's response to a distant war in Ukraine that he helped provoke with a forward policy.

Russian Defense Ministry
Russian Defense Ministry briefing (22.03.2022)

️Units of the Russian armed forces, developing the offensive, advanced another 6 kilometers and captured the village of UROZHAYNOYE. Now they are fighting with units of the 128th separate mountain assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

A group of troops of the Donetsk People's Republic has penetrated 4 kilometers deep into the defense of the 25th Airborne Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and is fighting for the capture of populated areasKAMENKA, NOVOSELOVKA TWO, VERKHNETORETSKOYE.

In the direction of Kurakhovo, the advance during the night was up to five kilometers. Units of the Donetsk Republic destroyed a company of the 53rd separate mechanized brigade and units of the assault battalion of the 54th separate mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian troops, capturing settlementsSLAVNOYE, TRUDOVSKOY, CHELYUSKINTSEV MINE and MARINKA.

During the day, three tanks, four infantry fighting vehicles, four field artillery pieces and 6 off-road vehicles were destroyed in the area.

People's Militia units of the Luhansk Republic established control over the settlements of Kalinovo Popasnoye, Novoaleksandrovka, Stepnoye, Boguslavskoye and they continue to destroy units of the 30th separate mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces. More than 40 personnel and 5 off-road vehicles of the enemy were destroyed.

During the day, operational-tactical and army aircraft hit 137 military facilities in Ukraine. Among them:: six command and communication centers, two multiple launch rocket systems, one anti-aircraft missile system, eight warehouses of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition, as well as 101 places of accumulation of military equipment.

Russian air defense systems shot down 14 aircraft in the air Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles, including one Bayraktar TB-2 . A group of "night hunters" consisting of Ka-52 and Mi-28N helicopters destroyed 9 Ukrainian tanks, 7 infantry fighting vehicles and APCs during night strikes.

Since the beginning of the special military operation, 230 unmanned aerial vehicles, 181 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,528 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 154 multiple launch rocket systems, 602 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,312 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

Yeah this embedding shit does not work properly.

So I do it the oldschool way...

RTN wrote:

Werewolf wrote:So now you are resorting to more obvious trolling?
You believe that ambush tactics with modern ATGM's western or eastern is only effective against Russian tanks?

Your comprehension skills remain poor despite the fact that you live in the West. That's why you read things that were never mentioned.

The complete lack of cage armor (leave aside APS) on Russian armored formation shows the absolute lack of planning and resources. No wonder so many Russian MBTs, IFVs were effectively neutralized with ATGMs and that too indigenous Ukranian ones.

Loitering munitions like switchblade will only make things worse for the Russians.

Please do not start about educational systems of East versus West, the current political situation shows who is blessed by western school systems and live style has a high disregard for sketpicism, logical and ctritical thinking and right out masochistic approach to everything as Black and White, while never being on the "dark side". You indeed have something in common of the western subject like Arseitide I was referencing a few dozen pages back.

You already got your little bum served by FP and Garry, but I can do it, too.

You enjoying some minor isolated incidents of losses of russian armor to planned ambushes. Any advancing military is always under the risk of ambushes and if you stick long enough around we will have this exact discussion for a scenario of Serbia attacking Kosovo with western Support, but in the mean time, I suggest to keep the trolling low, because I really want to stick it to you once you western tanks get destroyed in the same manner. The difference is I am not lacking the knowledge to understand the hardship any advancing army has and guerilla warfare is indeed the only solution a weaker force has to stick to.

This entire operation is certainly not as bad planned as your western puppet M&Ms are trying to tell you. You would take great effort for educational purposes and development of critical thinking, if you would listen to what the East has to say. The difference between most of the users on this forum and you is, that we either speak russian or are open to information from more than one side, getting a good impression of the political bubbles that have been created.

Werewolf wrote:

RTN wrote:

Werewolf wrote:So now you are resorting to more obvious trolling?
You believe that ambush tactics with modern ATGM's western or eastern is only effective against Russian tanks?

Your comprehension skills remain poor despite the fact that you live in the West. That's why you read things that were never mentioned.

The complete lack of cage armor (leave aside APS) on Russian armored formation shows the absolute lack of planning and resources. No wonder so many Russian MBTs, IFVs were effectively neutralized with ATGMs and that too indigenous Ukranian ones.

Loitering munitions like switchblade will only make things worse for the Russians.

Please do not start about educational systems of East versus West, the current political situation shows who is blessed by western school systems and live style has a high disregard for sketpicism, logical and ctritical thinking and right out masochistic approach to everything as Black and White, while never being on the "dark side". You indeed have something in common of the western subject like Arseitide I was referencing a few dozen pages back.

You already got your little bum served by FP and Garry, but I can do it, too.

You enjoying some minor isolated incidents of losses of russian armor to planned ambushes. Any advancing military is always under the risk of ambushes and if you stick long enough around we will have this exact discussion for a scenario of Serbia attacking Kosovo with western Support, but in the mean time, I suggest to keep the trolling low, because I really want to stick it to you once you western tanks get destroyed in the same manner. The difference is I am not lacking the knowledge to understand the hardship any advancing army has and guerilla warfare is indeed the only solution a weaker force has to stick to.

This entire operation is certainly not as bad planned as your western puppet M&Ms are trying to tell you. You would take great effort for educational purposes and development of critical thinking, if you would listen to what the East has to say. The difference between most of the users on this forum and you is, that we either speak russian or are open to information from more than one side, getting a good impression of the political bubbles that have been created.

Why wait to fix his NATO superiority complex?. Western MSM media shoves any NATO always under the rug.
Because God forbid our "invincible army of Democracy and Freedom" gets its asses handed to them on occasions by "inferior enemy's"

But if you know where to look for, The internet is still full of NATO tanks that had a really bad day.
In Afghanistan our own guys had multiple AT penetrations as well...by the "inferior" RPG series of the soviets.

I was involved as QRF in one, RPG penetrated the armor and detonated in the engine compartment.
A real horror show what happened in that tank.

Ill save people the search and here is one from my archives of the "invincible" M1 Abrams.

U.S M1 tank and crew critically hit by RPG 7 close range in iraq war.
**Warning! NSFW for Graphic footage of badly injured crew**

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CWMQyYlnISCxTVw8H1_UEvVqQBuh7DxC/view?usp=sharing

I swear, the dumb shit some people spout around here makes me want to ship them to the nearest warzone available...

Buk-M3 deployed

Liberated towns

Mi-28UB on a forward base

Russia has deployed more ground forces in southern Belarus, just 18 miles from Ukraine's border, per overhead imagery. Here's satellite photo indicating new troop tents and equipment being staged in the Belorussian village of Dublin (who knew there was a village in Belarus having the same name as the capital of Rep. Ireland )

Meanwhile, on schools in my little neighbourhood in Western Europe.
Lets teach our kids to hate Russians, and Ukranians are the victims on school test...