Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8

auslander wrote:

TMA1 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

LMFS wrote:
Fully agree, such artificial country is doomed like a house built over a tectonic fault, not to talk about it being an antirussian device from its inception. Western part (the real one, not the one created through indoctrination) can be a neutral, non ideological and demilitarized region loosely associated to the West, that is Galicia. The rest is Russian in the broad sense of the term since the times of the Rus and has no future as some tool of the West.

No it's a real thing. Ukrainians as a people have long existed, and the idea of a Ukrainian national state was around in the Russian Empire, encouraged after the Polish revolt in 1861 began and with Polish agitation about the re-establishment of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. It was more a fringe intellectual movement at the time, but Ukrainians, the Ukrainian language, etc.. were all real

The trouble really began in 1991. The Galicians, the far Western Ukrainians, assumed control over ideology and nation-building, and spread their vile anti-Russian identity to the rest of the country with school education, political technologies, etc.. but this stuff and associated nationalists were not in overall command until 2014, until then they were used more as a tool and looked upon as a bit funky by the rest of the Ukraine.

Here Russia is at fault too, for taking the Crimea and thereby presenting itself as a threat, but that was kind of unavoidable. The Maidan shitheads only cemented themselves and their presentation of reality from then on.

It is hard to say Russia is at fault for taking Crimea as it has vital army and especially navy presence protecting it's underbelly. Russia was already paying Ukraine for using the bases but with the western powers essentially taking control of Ukraine the russkies didn't have a lot of options. If say Cuba started talking about retaking Guantanamo bay I'd hope my country's leaders had the balls to push the Cubans back.

One more time. RUSSIA DID NOT TAKE, DID NOT TAKE!!! SEVASTOPOL AND KRIMU. WE, THE CITIZENS OF SEVASTOPOL ARMED UP, FACED THE ORCS DOWN AND ONLY THREE DAYS LATER DID WE INVITE THE POLITE YOUNG MEN IN GREEN TO COME IN AND COVER OUR BACKS!!! AFTER SEEING US WAITING FOR THEM AT THE BORDERS AND THE FIRST PUNCH IN THE C//K SUCKER THE ORCS WANTED NO PARTS OF US!!!
Thank you. Shouting over.

magnumcromagnon wrote:Jewish former head of Goldman Sachs, defends Hitler and demonizes VVP lol!    

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1507154382558691331

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1507148900599169033

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:The West will collapse, Russia will inherit a whole bunch of hostility and butthurt and probably lose Armenia and Kazakhstan/Kyrgyzstan, and China will become the new financial centre.

Who will Russia "lose" Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan to?  The Kazakhs just fought off a Western backed destabilisation event and the follow-up has cemeted the importance of the CSTO.  They are solidly in Russias camp.  I'll be honest and admit to knowing little about Kyrgyzstan, and that isn't likely to chnage much any time soon.

As for Armenia, who cares?  They have proven their lack of integrity by way of regime chnage and the new flunkies openly supping at the cup of NATO supremacy, and it has cost them most of NK and a whole truckload of pain.  They can do what they want, and will be one less parasite with its sucking lips attached to Russias udder.

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:The West will collapse, Russia will inherit a whole bunch of hostility and butthurt and probably lose Armenia and Kazakhstan/Kyrgyzstan, and China will become the new financial centre.

Who will Russia "lose" Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan to?  The Kazakhs just fought off a Western backed destabilisation event and the follow-up has cemeted the importance of the CSTO.  They are solidly in Russias camp.  I'll be honest and admit to knowing little about Kyrgyzstan, and that isn't likely to chnage much any time soon.

As for Armenia, who cares?  They have proven their lack of integrity by way of regime chnage and the new flunkies openly supping at the cup of NATO supremacy, and it has cost them most of NK and a whole truckload of pain.  They can do what they want, and will be one less parasite with its sucking lips attached to Russias udder.

crod wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Russia counted on the "international" reaction (EU/US sphere), hence the sanction-proofing over the past half decade.

They aren't taking major cities because that's not the plan. They're destroying the UA military, it's a pacification. For now.

Then why were they attempting to break into Kiev et al. It looks like shifting goal posts to me. They’ve taken a hiding around the cities with news of some towns being retaken. The entire thing looks illplanned to me. Went too far with poor logistics, got stretched and met with very stiff resistance from a very determined and committed defence force.
Sanctions factored in? It’s causing re hardship for the Russian people and industry. Even Chinese industry pulling out of some projects. If you can’t see the long term hurt here you never will. I’m sure the Chinese will re-enter on those projects once the heat is off but the West won’t be too quick and it will hasten the need to remove dependency upon Russian gas.
The other irony is that the actor come president had an approval rating in the low 20s before this but now enjoys somewhere in the 80s and will be seen as the hero of the Ukrainian people and nation. They are emboldened now which makes them even more dangerous and capable.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1507204764664143873

Triangulation time: Darwin award winning Americuntski merc vertically records with his smart phone, which gets posted online. He records vertically, but his POV will be horizontal soon enough...facing the dirt, not the sky lol!

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1507159825209196556

Big_Gazza wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:What is going on in Kherson?

Russia is handing out aid to those in need.
Locals are handing in guns handed out by the "previous adminsitration".
Life is trying to return to a pre-2014 normal.
Banderites are gnashing their teeth and plotting ways to blow stuff up and kill people in revenge for daring to reject their fascist ideology and getting on with their lives.
NATOista sock pupets are trying to figure out how to spin it all to make Russia look bad.

ucmvulcan wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:What is going on in Kherson?

Russia is handing out aid to those in need.
Locals are handing in guns handed out by the "previous adminsitration".
Life is trying to return to a pre-2014 normal.
Banderites are gnashing their teeth and plotting ways to blow stuff up and kill people in revenge for daring to reject their fascist ideology and getting on with their lives.
NATOista sock pupets are trying to figure out how to spin it all to make Russia look bad.

I was just checking because the New York Times and the Pentagram are gloating that Kherson is either contested or retaken by the Ukes.  You would not believe the insane amount of distortion and propaganda that happens in America.

auslander wrote:
Well, methinks his days without a 'Russian headache' are numbered in single digits. Nothing like a 7.62 brain massage to make a believer, however fleeting, of you. So this dickless wonder is bragging about a burning civilian building off to one side, having not the slightest idea nor care that this house probably has 8 Propeeski assigned to it. May the little shit suffer an 'albright moment' and become a turd stuck in satan's ass for a second or fifty...forevers.

crod wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Russia counted on the "international" reaction (EU/US sphere), hence the sanction-proofing over the past half decade.

They aren't taking major cities because that's not the plan. They're destroying the UA military, it's a pacification. For now.

Kiev and Odessa / West side of Dnieper are feints. Each tie down a quarter of the combat strength of the Ukrainian Army. Leaving 50% of the combat troops stretched from Mariupol to Kharkov... this force is now being erased while the other two forces are being degraded. But don't tell anyone, the West still has not caught on.  

crod wrote:

franco wrote:

crod wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Russia counted on the "international" reaction (EU/US sphere), hence the sanction-proofing over the past half decade.

They aren't taking major cities because that's not the plan. They're destroying the UA military, it's a pacification. For now.

Kiev and Odessa / West side of Dnieper are feints. Each tie down a quarter of the combat strength of the Ukrainian Army. Leaving 50% of the combat troops stretched from Mariupol to Kharkov... this force is now being erased while the other two forces are being degraded. But don't tell anyone, the West still has not caught on.  

So you’re suggesting that was the only military objective from the outset, to secure the Donbas region only and to divide the uki forces in order for it to do so?

So what’s the plan on how they’re going to hold this region now out of interest? Everyman and his dog has watched over the decades how a poorer equipped and trained force can keep a military power virtually on its knees from Iraq to Yemen to Afghanistan. The uni forces will be provided a lot of military aid, money and political support.

How is the objective secured going forward or more pertinently, how does Russia ensure they don’t end up with a negative objective outcome?

crod wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Russia counted on the "international" reaction (EU/US sphere), hence the sanction-proofing over the past half decade.

They aren't taking major cities because that's not the plan. They're destroying the UA military, it's a pacification. For now.

Then why were they attempting to break into Kiev et al. It looks like shifting goal posts to me.

crod wrote:
They’ve taken a hiding around the cities with news of some towns being retaken. The entire thing looks illplanned to me. Went too far with poor logistics, got stretched and met with very stiff resistance from a very determined and committed defence force.

Sanctions factored in? It’s causing re hardship for the Russian people and industry. Even Chinese industry pulling out of some projects. If you can’t see the long term hurt here you never will. I’m sure the Chinese will re-enter on those projects once the heat is off but the West won’t be too quick and it will hasten the need to remove dependency upon Russian gas.

crod wrote:
The other irony is that the actor come president had an approval rating in the low 20s before this but now enjoys somewhere in the 80s and will be seen as the hero of the Ukrainian people and nation. They are emboldened now which makes them even more dangerous and capable.

crod wrote:
So what’s the plan on how they’re going to hold this region now out of interest? Everyman and his dog has watched over the decades how a poorer equipped and trained force can keep a military power virtually on its knees from Iraq to Yemen to Afghanistan. The uni forces will be provided a lot of military aid, money and political support.

How is the objective secured going forward or more pertinently, how does Russia ensure they don’t end up with a negative objective outcome?