Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:There's been several large surrenders in towns outside Kiev today. It's remarkable how 180 the situation on the ground seems to be vs the stuff they print in media here in the west.

The walls of the prison of lies in the West and especially in Ukraine are cracking with every single day the Russian military progresses towards their goal, as it becomes more and more evident on the ground who is wining, the defections among the ukrainian military will only grow and in the end Western population will feel they have been taken for idiots, once more. I haven't the slightest sympathy for them, it is inexcusably negligent to swallow the propaganda from your elites and conveniently believe you are the righteous ones and the victors, without bothering one minute to check the readily available information from the other side. Self serving cowards without a shred of intellectual integrity fully deserve the serious consequences of their errors.

mavaff wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Ignore most of the map but do we think that the UkA actually built defensive positions on the two fallback lines in that map, or are they in panic mode with bulldozers trying to do it now?

This map does not make sense, especially about those arrows showing Russian attacks.
Chess teaches that you attack your enemy from behind and this is what Russia will do.

I know that. I said "Ignore most of the map"

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:There's been several large surrenders in towns outside Kiev today. It's remarkable how 180 the situation on the ground seems to be vs the stuff they print in media here in the west.

Just talked the same with my wife.
It is beyond my imagination, how can they just "report" the 180deg situation, and just carry on.
What really makes me wonder, is how they will tune the public for inevitable.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:No Mari was a smaller city by all standards, Places like Khakrov and Sumy will be much much harder.

Mariupol was twice the population and had three times the combatants in Fallujah. How long did the mighty US take to clean that out?

Sujoy wrote:Re that post that a forum member made as to why India is so corrupt that it has to do business with the West, the answer is Russia is self-sufficient in both material & human resources & hence economic sanctions won’t have much effect. But India isn't, so Western sanctions will have an adverse effect on India. Therefore, India needs to do business with the West.

India should get gas and oil pipelines from Iran. They should have never joined Western sanctions on Iranian oil purchases. China got the best out of that situation and pulled Iran into its orbit as a result. Iran is a natural partner for India in term of energy resources and defense. If Pakistan did not want a pipeline through its terrain because their puppetmasters the Saudis would not let them, then you should have just built an underwater pipeline. The distance between Iran and India underwater is less than NordStream.

flamming_python wrote:Russia will inherit a whole bunch of hostility and butthurt and probably lose Armenia and Kazakhstan/Kyrgyzstan, and China will become the new financial centre.

Iran won't allow Armenia to get into Western orbit. And China won't allow the Central Asian republics to fall too deeply into Western influence either. I think Russia will be guaranteeing security and China will be pushing up the industrial economy. Oh and the US is bound to put the screws on China sooner or later too.

This map is of the Dnieper battle 1943, grandfather's wrote the book, our men just follow it

1. Donetsk
2. Kharkov
3. Kiev
4. Cross the dnieper

Zhukov suggested to encircle the defenders in the rear as most here suggest

But the stavka and stalin chose another option, which is similar to MOD strategy now, which is to force a broad front across the dnieper, to preserve the wheat crops of the center

The plan is textbook



You can see the capture of Lisichansk, Izyum, Zmiev, Chuihiev, is according to grandfather's work

This is an offensive in design by Malinovsky, Konev, Vatutin, and the Stavka in general

Majority here have no clue what they speak about, Grandfather's were experts

Those who say just dash across the dnieper , have no idea why Grandfather's decided to liberate Donetsk village by Village and took mariupol before Kharkov

I'm referring to most observers here

Study the dnieper battles to understand the implementation of annihilation of the 2nd panther wotan line to comprehend the thinking of Gerasimov and Shoigu as well as zhuravlyov of western OSK and dvornikov of southern OSK

d_taddei2 wrote:Updates

1) Russian troops entering Slavutich town. Rumours mayor has been kidnapped.

He wasn't, that was a rumor spread by Ukrainian propaganda to rouse the residents, as well as rumors about sniper fire, etc...

He appeared later and said he was conducting negotiations

And basically, that everyone should hand over any weapons they have, the Ukrainian flag will continue to fly, the town will get humanitarian aid from Russia, etc..

There's a big crowd of pro-Ukrainians and Rosgvardia was trying to disperse them

If Russia succeeds in establishing itself in the town, then the next step is entering Chernigov. Slavutich is to its west.

4) Macron: I hope to speak with Putin in the coming hours about plans to evacuate Mariupol. French President Emmanuel Macron says that France, Turkey, Greece will carry out an "exceptional humanitarian operation" "for all those who want to leave" the Ukrainian city of Mariupol

The problem is Azov was already offered a chance to leave. They refused
They received offers to surrender. Also refused

If Putin allows them to leave now, then the rest of the Ukrainian nationalists garrisoning Ukrainian towns will know not to take any Russian ultimatums seriously, and that Macron and Erdogan will always be able to bail them out. This will drag out the war per the Syrian model.

At the exit from Mariupol, the Deputy Chief of Staff of the 503rd separate battalion of the Marine Infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was detained.
A brave officer tried to leave the city under the guise of a civilian.
https://t.me/milinfolive/79641

flamming_python wrote:The Ka-52 really recommended itself as a brilliant helicopter in this operation

The Mi-24 reconfirmed as the versatile all-round machine that it has been since the Afghan war

The Mi-28N we don't know enough about, but judging by the night work it's great as well, and none have been shot down at all

The Mi-17s - could use some armor upgrades IMO, but reliable workhorses

1. Yes, only losses were reported when they started working close, like Mi-24/28. It's like taking a Le Mans car to rallycross. But then again, I bet pilots love it as they have ejection seats, a very roomy cockpit, amazing visibility, and unmatched ergonomics compared to any other combat helicopter in the world.
2. Nothing changed. It's being used less than in other wars, so far it seems to trail other fighting helicopters in support role (CASEVAC and etc)
3. Tested in Syria, should be good, I wonder how NM would perform.
4. Yes, a flying truck that was in service longer than I've been in this world. Not sure if armouring them would be wise, maybe stick some EW equipment as main adversaries for it are SHORAD systems.

Goosebumps for sure

Regular wrote:
4. Yes, a flying truck that was in service longer than I've been in this world. Not sure if armouring them would be wise, maybe stick some EW equipment as main adversaries for it are SHORAD systems.

It does need good armour. Can get pelted with HMG fire on approach, as what happened on day 1

And of course a Vitebsk system and more countermeasures can't hurt, for those Mi-8s in VDV service

Russian Defense Ministry
Briefing of the Russian Defense Ministry (26.03.2022

) Групп A group of troops of the Russian Armed Forces is fighting for the capture of the settlements of Novomikhailovka and NOVOBAKHMUTOVKA, inflicting fire damage to the enemy in strong points and on its reserves.

During the day of March 25, high-precision sea-launched cruise missiles "Kalibr" destroyed a warehouse with ammunition and weapons near the settlement of VELIKIYE Korovnitsy, Zhytomyr region.

Also, a high-precisioncruise missile "Onyx" destroyed a fuel base near Nikolaev which was used to supply fuel to the AFU grouping in the southern part of Ukraine.

During the day, operational-tactical and army aircraft hit 117 military facilities in Ukraine.
Among them: six command posts, three multiple rocket launchers, one S-300 anti-aircraft missile system, nine warehouses with weapons and ammunition, two with fuel and lubricants, as well as 92 strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, nationalist battalions and areas of concentration of military equipment.

Russian air defense systems shot down three Ukrainian aircraft (two Su-25s and one Su-24)in the air over the village of Vishnevoye as well as six unmanned aerial vehicles. In addition, one tactical missile of the Tochka-U complex was destroyed near the village of Vasilyevka.

Since the beginning of the special military operation, 267 unmanned aerial vehicles, 207 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,618 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 166 multiple launch rocket systems, 662 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,453 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

This is great !

The 3rd battle of Kharkov, failed because nazis counterattacked precisely from Izyum

The donbass basin must be settled before entering Kharkov

Quite precise work of Russian forces in Mariupol, under difficult human shield conditions

https://t.me/TheEternalUkrainian2/1766

MOD resolves precisely the same concerns as in 1943

Kharkov cannot be entered until the situation in Sumy and near Izyum is stabilized

It would be exposed to the VSU

So Russia must stabilize the Chuihiev Balakliya line, and break it

To the north, Sumy also must be brought under control so the Kharkov on the western and Eastern approaches is safe

Same with Kiev, same in brovary, irpen, Makarov, fastov Gostomel

This was written in the annals of history! Moscow fulfills its goals!

flamming_python wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Updates

1) Russian troops entering Slavutich town. Rumours mayor has been kidnapped.

He wasn't, that was a rumor spread by Ukrainian propaganda to rouse the residents, as well as rumors about sniper fire, etc...

He appeared later and said he was conducting negotiations

And basically, that everyone should hand over any weapons they have, the Ukrainian flag will continue to fly, the town will get humanitarian aid from Russia, etc..

There's a big crowd of pro-Ukrainians and Rosgvardia was trying to disperse them

If Russia succeeds in establishing itself in the town, then the next step is entering Chernigov. Slavutich is to its west.

4) Macron: I hope to speak with Putin in the coming hours about plans to evacuate Mariupol. French President Emmanuel Macron says that France, Turkey, Greece will carry out an "exceptional humanitarian operation" "for all those who want to leave" the Ukrainian city of Mariupol

The problem is Azov was already offered a chance to leave. They refused
They received offers to surrender. Also refused

If Putin allows them to leave now, then the rest of the Ukrainian nationalists garrisoning Ukrainian towns will know not to take any Russian ultimatums seriously, and that Macron and Erdogan will always be able to bail them out. This will drag out the war per the Syrian model.

I did state a rumour as it wasn't confirmed.


And I don't think the Greeks etc will allowing Azov to leave just civilians. They will be wanting to leave Azov behind to be eradicated.

flamming_python wrote:

Regular wrote:
4. Yes, a flying truck that was in service longer than I've been in this world. Not sure if armouring them would be wise, maybe stick some EW equipment as main adversaries for it are SHORAD systems.

It does need good armour. Can get pelted with HMG fire on approach, as what happened on day 1

And of course a Vitebsk system and more countermeasures can't hurt, for those Mi-8s in VDV service

There is an armour package for mi-8 Kevlar plates were attached to vital parts of the aircraft. The thing with the mi-8 is its supposed to carry troops and cargo and covering the whole thing in armour would nullify it's designed role. I agree with adding the Vitebsk system and Kevlar plates on vital areas but these will only protect from 7.62mm and maybe 12.7 mm but it's better than nothing.

We know they will attempt to entrench in Poltava

Which is why Slavyutch is reinforced,  to move men east of Chernigov,  and secure the route from sumy to poltava

Because the Ukrainians expect approach from garrisons of voronezh and Belgorod

d_taddei2 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Regular wrote:
4. Yes, a flying truck that was in service longer than I've been in this world. Not sure if armouring them would be wise, maybe stick some EW equipment as main adversaries for it are SHORAD systems.

It does need good armour. Can get pelted with HMG fire on approach, as what happened on day 1

And of course a Vitebsk system and more countermeasures can't hurt, for those Mi-8s in VDV service

There is an armour package for mi-8 Kevlar plates were attached to vital parts of the aircraft. The thing with the mi-8 is its supposed to carry troops and cargo and covering the whole thing in armour would nullify it's designed role. I agree with adding the Vitebsk system and Kevlar plates on vital areas but these will only protect from 7.62mm and maybe 12.7 mm but it's better than nothing.

Not all Mi-8s. Just the ones used for airborne landings in hot-zones

Yes I remember the kevlar upgrade. Don't know if it was fitted.

Poltava is where Russia destroyed the Swedish empire

Walles ancestors led by Carl Gustav and Charles were destroyed in the very same places that are being laid to waste today!

today news tape:
MoD video Iskander vs Ukro Buk.
https://t.me/rian_ru/155791

Moscow. 26 March. Interfax - The Russian military reported that they used high-precision Caliber and Onyx cruise missiles to destroy Ukrainian army facilities in the Zhytomyr region and near Nikolaev.


"During the day of March 25, Caliber high-precision sea-based cruise missiles destroyed a depot with ammunition and weapons near the village of Velikie Korovnitsy, Zhytomyr Region," Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said.
Later, the military clarified that the strike was delivered from the Black Sea by a small missile ship, four Kalibr missiles were fired
"The Onyx high-precision cruise missile destroyed a fuel base in the Nikolaev region, from which the AFU grouping in the southern part of Ukraine was supplied with fuel," Konashenkov said.

https://www.militarynews.ru/?lang=RU



Nice Onyx is pretty versatile.

Podlodka77 wrote:This is great !

DATs epic!

flamming_python wrote:
It does need good armour. Can get pelted with HMG fire on approach, as what happened on day 1
And of course a Vitebsk system and more countermeasures can't hurt, for those Mi-8s in VDV service

I agree with Regular here. Putting additional armour on the Mi-8's will adversely effect it's performance. These are assault helicopters and they needs a fairly good level of performance. They normally do have some armour around the cockpit area which is vital against small arms. Considering the substantial air defense that was available to the Ukrs - the losses were not bad at all. It turned out that even Apaches are vulnerable to small arms.

Losses among the DPR army increased by a third in a week

Over the week, the losses of the DPR forces increased by 30%.

Over the past week, losses among military personnel and volunteers of the forces of the Donetsk People's Republic have increased by more than a third, despite the active advancement of the DPR units in control of the territory. Data on this subject were provided by the Commissioner for Human Rights in the Donetsk People's Republic, Daria Morozova.

According to official For the period from March 18, 2022 to March 25, 2022, 232 DPR servicemen were killed, which is 82 more than a week earlier. However, the number of wounded among the military decreased from 886 to 871 people. Thus, over the past week, the number of dead and wounded among the military personnel of the DPR amounted to 1103 people.

At the same time, the official resource of the Commissioner for Human Rights in the Donetsk People's Republic reports a significantly increased number of wounded among the civilian population. Thus, according to the information provided, in the period from March 18, 2022 to March 25, 2022, 230 people were injured (a week earlier - 113 people), and the number of deaths was 36 people (a week earlier - 46 people).

According to official data, Russia's losses since the start of the military operation have reached 1351 servicemen.

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Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Drone was apparently shot down over Sevastopol, at high altitude. Now that is interesting. UA doesn't possess any drones (officially) that can reach Sevastopol from the territories it currently controls.

I am Sk.E.E. Kapitan, 1st Regiment K A Sevastopol.
My English is perfect.
My husband, Tovarich Kapitan First Rank, Kommandeer 1st. Regiment K A Sevastopol, will not be on platform for some days. He is ill. He will be in Hospital for some days. His cancer is the most bad he can have. I will report some of the war up north when I have time. Lubov is sleeping like granite. Our youngest blue girl Kristina loves her very much. I will report nothing but complete truth like my Husband.

It is true that the remain of a Ukraine Missile fell on southside Sevastopol near 5th Kilometer Market. It fell in an empty place. There was fire and strong smoke for about 10 minutes. Fire Service was very close to the impact place and everything was out in minutes. Impact was near Prospect General Ostrakova. No injuries or wounds to anyone. A big school is near this place. No children were in school at the time, it is weekend.

I will report more in some minutes, I have to go to Hospital and make sure my Husband is no trouble to Schtab of Hospital. The food is very good and I have instructed Kitchen how he likes his food. They remember him so they will cook good for him. He will have a CAT Scan this night. Tovarich Doktor does not like something he saw in Roentgen. He did not tell me what it is he did not like. But he will. My rank is more high than his rank so he will tell all.

Hospital #4 has many wounded from the fight to our north. Schtab is very heavy now.