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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8
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"After delivering his hate speech, Biden wanted to have something refreshing. He proceeded to the ice-cream stand and offered the man a dollar bill.
The man looked straight at his sleepy eyes and said "I accept only Rubles".
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A Nazi's phone was discovered in Melitopol, although the suspect himself is still at large
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13640
On it were discovered videos regarding the torture of a local anti-Maidan activist who disappeared years ago, the footage presented is the last known featuring him
Also shows the interrogation of a woman, who was spared and forced to leave the Ukraine
Also, two of the suspects in the Russian POW execution video have been identified
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13629
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13640
On it were discovered videos regarding the torture of a local anti-Maidan activist who disappeared years ago, the footage presented is the last known featuring him
Also shows the interrogation of a woman, who was spared and forced to leave the Ukraine
Also, two of the suspects in the Russian POW execution video have been identified
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13629
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flamming_python wrote:A Nazi's phone was discovered in Melitopol, although the suspect himself is still at large
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13640
On it were discovered videos regarding the torture of a local anti-Maidan activist who disappeared years ago, the footage presented is the last known featuring him
Also shows the interrogation of a woman, who was spared and forced to leave the Ukraine
Also, two of the suspects in the Russian POW execution video have been identified
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13629
Praying/hoping that those two motherfuckers are caught or taken care of.
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#UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said the #Starstreak short-range MANPADS that travels at Mach 4 to take down low-flying enemy jets is ready to be used imminently and Ukrainian troops had been trained and were now deployed with Starstreak.
I am not sure about the practical effectiveness of these complexes. The mass of the warhead is 3*0.9 kilograms, the warhead is three tungsten darts. Basically, it looks like they make a through hole in an airplane or helicopter without touching vital components and assemblies. For comparison, the mass of the warhead in the Verba MANPADS is 1.75 kilograms, almost twice as much as each of the Starstreak subelements.
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flamming_python wrote:A Nazi's phone was discovered in Melitopol, although the suspect himself is still at large
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13640
On it were discovered videos regarding the torture of a local anti-Maidan activist who disappeared years ago, the footage presented is the last known featuring him
Also shows the interrogation of a woman, who was spared and forced to leave the Ukraine
Also, two of the suspects in the Russian POW execution video have been identified
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13629
We have all names and service numbers. War crime trials start with those involved in Novorossiya and Sevastopol since early 2012. None will escape justice. None.
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The Russian fleet was preparing for a major battle with the West 2022 Krimu/Sevastopol.
Details of the actions of the fleet during the special operation.
The Russian fleet was preparing for a major battle with the West
The special operation in Ukraine has been going on for a month. On hearing army men and pilots, landing on Gostomel, fighting militia and special forces in Mariupol. The role of the Navy remains behind the scenes - and completely in vain. What battles was the Russian squadron preparing for in the Mediterranean and how does it affect the ongoing operation right now?
The Russian fleet began its deployment long before the start of the operation. Having somewhat scared NATO off Ireland and the British coast, the ships went to the Mediterranean, to join the Navy in the Mediterranean. There also came a detachment of ships from the Pacific Ocean. By the twentieth of February, Russia had two missile cruisers in the region - Marshal Ustinov and Varyag (Moscow remained in the Black Sea), the Admiral Kasatonov frigate, two BODs, a number of weaker ships and several diesel submarines with Caliber ".
Containment in the Mediterranean
NATO could not remain indifferent. To meet our rather large forces, they brought out as many as three aircraft carrier groups, including one American. For some time, our fleet operated in several detachments - while the detachment of the Northern Fleet, led by Ustinov, was maneuvering south of Sicily, the Pacific Ocean, together with the Mediterranean group, formed a powerful "fist" in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, not far from Syria. NATO ship groups, however, kept out of range of our missile systems, a strike against them would require serious efforts.
A few days before the operation, a number of Russian ships passed through the straits to the north, into the Black Sea. But the backbone of the group remained in the Mediterranean, in case of some inadequacy on the part of the United States and NATO. If suddenly the escalation of the conflict led to an attempt by the West to intervene, then the ships of the West would not be able to enter the Black Sea so easily, they would first have to endure the battle with the Russian fleet and aircraft from the Khmeimim base. In such a battle, the West would have superior forces, but the cost of any success for the US and NATO would be very high, and the scale of operations that would be required to defeat Russian forces in the region would be simply enormous.
The West did not dare. Both before the operation and after it began, NATO fleets behave emphatically non-aggressively.
On the night of February 24, all the ships of the Russian group gathered together east of Crete. If we had to accept the battle, then it would be better to do it with combined forces, having Khmeimim in the rear. And then there was the President's speech, that very thing.
Rocket strike
In the early morning of the 24th, an audio recording of the radio exchange of the Black Sea Fleet in Russian spread like wildfire in Western military-analytical networks and publics. Numerical designations from the table of conditional voice signals, coded call signs and the question: “Who else worked?”. This went beyond what was the norm in peacetime, and it became clear that something was happening.
The President at about this time announced the start of a special military operation. And a few minutes after the broadcast of his speech ended, the first "Caliber" entered the Ukrainian airspace.
Despite the fact that aviation was used very limitedly in the first strike, the damage to Ukrainian air defense was simply fatal. Ukraine has only scraps of air defense left, which will have a very short life and which will no longer have a serious impact on the course of hostilities.
A similar decisive effect was achieved when hitting headquarters and command centers. Attentive observers can see that Ukraine has completely “zeroed out” the operational level in the actions of its troops.
The Ukrainian troops are simply resisting where they are, there is no unified command and control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, what is usually called the word “operation” is not carried out by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in principle. And it's not just that. This is the result of a missile attack on headquarters.
And the role of the fleet in the success of this strike was considerable. Yes, not only "Caliber" were used in the first wave of cruise and operational-tactical missiles used against the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but "Caliber" due to their number in the volley were of great importance. The Caspian flotilla also participated in the strikes, having recorded in its history another military operation after Syria. In the future, the importance of the fleet in delivering missile strikes did not decrease. It is preserved even now.
Capture of Serpent's Island and the threat of amphibious assault
On the very first day, Russian ships, including the missile cruiser Moskva, appeared near the only Ukrainian island in the Black Sea, Serpent Island. It cannot be said that the Serpentine was somehow strategically important, but it was not unimportant either.
Anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles could be placed on this island. It could create a support base for Ukrainian missile and artillery boats, a stock of mines that could then be placed from high-speed boats. In general, there could be many problems. Romania could also capture the island, de facto annexing it and equipping it with all of the above, but already under the protection of NATO.
This did not happen, the Russian Navy occupied the island. First, Russian ships demanded that Ukrainian border guards surrender. Then, when the latter refused, the island was attacked, presumably from the Su-24M naval aviation. And when the Ukrainian border guards raised their heads, they found that Russian soldiers had already landed on the pier from boats. The Serpent's garrison surrendered.
The story of the island also includes the episode voiced by Major General Igor Konashenkov with the attack of Ukrainian boats against the ships of the Navy near Zmeiny. The attack was repulsed, as indicated, the Ukrainian boats were destroyed. If so, then we are talking about the first naval battle that was won by our Navy since the battle near Nerva Island on the night of June 20, 1944.
A serious success of the Navy was also a demonstration of forces, regularly and still undertaken by a detachment of landing ships operating in the Black Sea. The regular demonstration of readiness for landing by the Navy delays Ukrainian troops in Odessa, preventing them from being transferred to another area: for example, near Nikolaev. The benefits of this can hardly be overestimated. In fact, here we are talking about what the Anglo-Saxons call fleet in beeing - the effect of presence, when the fleet has a considerable influence on the course of hostilities by the very fact of its existence.
Recently, Navy ships have been moving minesweepers, which is very similar to preparing for a real landing, because the enemy, if he is competent, will defend himself with minefields.
The enemy and his actions
From the very beginning, it was clear that the Ukrainian Naval Forces had a certain potential to harm Russia. Fortunately, these risks were not ignored, and at the very beginning of the operation, strong blows were dealt to the bases of the Ukrainian Navy, both by missile weapons and by aircraft.
The losses of the Ukrainian Navy at the bases were significant, although their list has not yet been reliably determined. So, it is known for sure that the boat "Slavyansk", received by the Navy as a gift from the United States, was destroyed with losses in people. In general, most of the Ukrainian ships were destroyed at the bases, only the detachment destroyed at Zmeiny could go to sea.
In order to prevent their flagship Hetman Sagaidachny from falling into the hands of the Russian Armed Forces, the Ukrainians themselves flooded it in Nikolaev. The boats that were stationed in Berdyansk never went to sea. At the same time, the Ukrainians blew up something in the port of Mariupol, perhaps also their boats. Now the captured boats have been transferred to Novorossiysk.
The base in Ochakovo, which promised to be a problem after the deployment of sabotage forces on it, was destroyed in the first hours of the operation, and the personnel, apparently, would perish in battles as simple infantry. In this sense, the demilitarization of the Ukrainian Navy turned out to be complete - the Ukrainian fleet has been destroyed. As the first deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Rudskoy, said, the Ukrainian Navy "ceased to exist."
War on land and war at sea
It is possible that at the end of February the Russian fleet carried out a secret operation, about which no one reported anything. In particular, on February 26, it became known that the Nazis in Odessa were considering carrying out a terrorist attack using poisonous substances: specifically, blowing up tanks with ammonia.
On the evening of February 27, the Navy issued a demand on an open channel for all merchant ships to clear the water area near Odessa, explaining this by conducting an anti-terrorist operation. Turkish social networks were indignant, asking themselves the question: since when did the Black Sea become a Russian lake, but the order was carried out very quickly, all trade traffic shifted south in a few hours.
Soon, according to the statements of the Ukrainian side, the fleet detained two ships at sea - the Athena tanker and the Princess Nicole dry cargo ship. Both ships sailed under the Ukrainian flag. Until now, nothing is known about their fate, as well as about what the likelihood of a terrorist attack is now. A little later, on March 1-2, intensive flights of landing helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were observed in the vicinity of Odessa, there is also a video. After that, talk of a potential terrorist attack subsided. It all looks like an action movie plot - but it is a reality, and the Ministry of Defense, perhaps, will tell about it one day.
In the meantime, attack Su-24M and Su-30SM of the 43rd Separate Naval Attack Aviation Regiment joined in the performance of strike missions over Ukraine. Marines and fighters of coastal troops are fighting in the Mariupol direction. And even a dam on the way of water to the Crimea was blown up by naval sappers.
A few days ago, according to media reports, ships of the Russian Navy supported the offensive of ground units in Mariupol with artillery fire from the sea. True, there are no photos or videos from our side, there is only a foreign satellite image.
But there is a photo of a ship that fired at Ukrainian positions in the Odessa region - it was a Project 11356 frigate, with a high degree of probability, Admiral Makarov. And Makarov, on the night of March 22, near the port of Ilyichevsk, hit with an anti-aircraft missile (all naval anti-aircraft systems can hit surface targets too) the Ukrainian diving vessel Neteshyn, from which they tried to lay mines. "Neteshin" threw himself ashore so as not to sink, the mine laying did not take place.
The Ministry of Defense has not yet announced a complete list of the dead military personnel of the coastal troops and marines, as well as the presence or absence of losses in naval aviation. In the meantime, another sad news has become known - the deputy commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Captain 1st Rank Andrey Paliy, died in Mariupol. Alas, it is impossible to avoid losses.
What does the enemy do? A warning was circulated that some of the anchor mines put up by Ukraine to prevent a Russian landing in Odessa had been torn off the minreps and are now drifting with sea currents. A worse gift from Ukraine simply could not be imagined - now all shipping in the northwestern part of the Black Sea is under threat, and over time, mines can be very far away.
The operation continues. As long as Turkey keeps the straits closed, no ship of a non-Black Sea NATO country will be in the theater of operations, and the Russian Navy will operate freely. And whatever his further actions, he has already played his important role in the operation. The actions of the Navy are an excellent response to critics who love to talk about the "continental power". Even if military operations are conducted on land, it is simply impossible to do without forces at sea. Ukraine is a prime example of this.
Source: VZGLYAD
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Details of the actions of the fleet during the special operation.
The Russian fleet was preparing for a major battle with the West
The special operation in Ukraine has been going on for a month. On hearing army men and pilots, landing on Gostomel, fighting militia and special forces in Mariupol. The role of the Navy remains behind the scenes - and completely in vain. What battles was the Russian squadron preparing for in the Mediterranean and how does it affect the ongoing operation right now?
The Russian fleet began its deployment long before the start of the operation. Having somewhat scared NATO off Ireland and the British coast, the ships went to the Mediterranean, to join the Navy in the Mediterranean. There also came a detachment of ships from the Pacific Ocean. By the twentieth of February, Russia had two missile cruisers in the region - Marshal Ustinov and Varyag (Moscow remained in the Black Sea), the Admiral Kasatonov frigate, two BODs, a number of weaker ships and several diesel submarines with Caliber ".
Containment in the Mediterranean
NATO could not remain indifferent. To meet our rather large forces, they brought out as many as three aircraft carrier groups, including one American. For some time, our fleet operated in several detachments - while the detachment of the Northern Fleet, led by Ustinov, was maneuvering south of Sicily, the Pacific Ocean, together with the Mediterranean group, formed a powerful "fist" in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, not far from Syria. NATO ship groups, however, kept out of range of our missile systems, a strike against them would require serious efforts.
A few days before the operation, a number of Russian ships passed through the straits to the north, into the Black Sea. But the backbone of the group remained in the Mediterranean, in case of some inadequacy on the part of the United States and NATO. If suddenly the escalation of the conflict led to an attempt by the West to intervene, then the ships of the West would not be able to enter the Black Sea so easily, they would first have to endure the battle with the Russian fleet and aircraft from the Khmeimim base. In such a battle, the West would have superior forces, but the cost of any success for the US and NATO would be very high, and the scale of operations that would be required to defeat Russian forces in the region would be simply enormous.
The West did not dare. Both before the operation and after it began, NATO fleets behave emphatically non-aggressively.
On the night of February 24, all the ships of the Russian group gathered together east of Crete. If we had to accept the battle, then it would be better to do it with combined forces, having Khmeimim in the rear. And then there was the President's speech, that very thing.
Rocket strike
In the early morning of the 24th, an audio recording of the radio exchange of the Black Sea Fleet in Russian spread like wildfire in Western military-analytical networks and publics. Numerical designations from the table of conditional voice signals, coded call signs and the question: “Who else worked?”. This went beyond what was the norm in peacetime, and it became clear that something was happening.
The President at about this time announced the start of a special military operation. And a few minutes after the broadcast of his speech ended, the first "Caliber" entered the Ukrainian airspace.
Despite the fact that aviation was used very limitedly in the first strike, the damage to Ukrainian air defense was simply fatal. Ukraine has only scraps of air defense left, which will have a very short life and which will no longer have a serious impact on the course of hostilities.
A similar decisive effect was achieved when hitting headquarters and command centers. Attentive observers can see that Ukraine has completely “zeroed out” the operational level in the actions of its troops.
The Ukrainian troops are simply resisting where they are, there is no unified command and control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, what is usually called the word “operation” is not carried out by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in principle. And it's not just that. This is the result of a missile attack on headquarters.
And the role of the fleet in the success of this strike was considerable. Yes, not only "Caliber" were used in the first wave of cruise and operational-tactical missiles used against the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but "Caliber" due to their number in the volley were of great importance. The Caspian flotilla also participated in the strikes, having recorded in its history another military operation after Syria. In the future, the importance of the fleet in delivering missile strikes did not decrease. It is preserved even now.
Capture of Serpent's Island and the threat of amphibious assault
On the very first day, Russian ships, including the missile cruiser Moskva, appeared near the only Ukrainian island in the Black Sea, Serpent Island. It cannot be said that the Serpentine was somehow strategically important, but it was not unimportant either.
Anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles could be placed on this island. It could create a support base for Ukrainian missile and artillery boats, a stock of mines that could then be placed from high-speed boats. In general, there could be many problems. Romania could also capture the island, de facto annexing it and equipping it with all of the above, but already under the protection of NATO.
This did not happen, the Russian Navy occupied the island. First, Russian ships demanded that Ukrainian border guards surrender. Then, when the latter refused, the island was attacked, presumably from the Su-24M naval aviation. And when the Ukrainian border guards raised their heads, they found that Russian soldiers had already landed on the pier from boats. The Serpent's garrison surrendered.
The story of the island also includes the episode voiced by Major General Igor Konashenkov with the attack of Ukrainian boats against the ships of the Navy near Zmeiny. The attack was repulsed, as indicated, the Ukrainian boats were destroyed. If so, then we are talking about the first naval battle that was won by our Navy since the battle near Nerva Island on the night of June 20, 1944.
A serious success of the Navy was also a demonstration of forces, regularly and still undertaken by a detachment of landing ships operating in the Black Sea. The regular demonstration of readiness for landing by the Navy delays Ukrainian troops in Odessa, preventing them from being transferred to another area: for example, near Nikolaev. The benefits of this can hardly be overestimated. In fact, here we are talking about what the Anglo-Saxons call fleet in beeing - the effect of presence, when the fleet has a considerable influence on the course of hostilities by the very fact of its existence.
Recently, Navy ships have been moving minesweepers, which is very similar to preparing for a real landing, because the enemy, if he is competent, will defend himself with minefields.
The enemy and his actions
From the very beginning, it was clear that the Ukrainian Naval Forces had a certain potential to harm Russia. Fortunately, these risks were not ignored, and at the very beginning of the operation, strong blows were dealt to the bases of the Ukrainian Navy, both by missile weapons and by aircraft.
The losses of the Ukrainian Navy at the bases were significant, although their list has not yet been reliably determined. So, it is known for sure that the boat "Slavyansk", received by the Navy as a gift from the United States, was destroyed with losses in people. In general, most of the Ukrainian ships were destroyed at the bases, only the detachment destroyed at Zmeiny could go to sea.
In order to prevent their flagship Hetman Sagaidachny from falling into the hands of the Russian Armed Forces, the Ukrainians themselves flooded it in Nikolaev. The boats that were stationed in Berdyansk never went to sea. At the same time, the Ukrainians blew up something in the port of Mariupol, perhaps also their boats. Now the captured boats have been transferred to Novorossiysk.
The base in Ochakovo, which promised to be a problem after the deployment of sabotage forces on it, was destroyed in the first hours of the operation, and the personnel, apparently, would perish in battles as simple infantry. In this sense, the demilitarization of the Ukrainian Navy turned out to be complete - the Ukrainian fleet has been destroyed. As the first deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Rudskoy, said, the Ukrainian Navy "ceased to exist."
War on land and war at sea
It is possible that at the end of February the Russian fleet carried out a secret operation, about which no one reported anything. In particular, on February 26, it became known that the Nazis in Odessa were considering carrying out a terrorist attack using poisonous substances: specifically, blowing up tanks with ammonia.
On the evening of February 27, the Navy issued a demand on an open channel for all merchant ships to clear the water area near Odessa, explaining this by conducting an anti-terrorist operation. Turkish social networks were indignant, asking themselves the question: since when did the Black Sea become a Russian lake, but the order was carried out very quickly, all trade traffic shifted south in a few hours.
Soon, according to the statements of the Ukrainian side, the fleet detained two ships at sea - the Athena tanker and the Princess Nicole dry cargo ship. Both ships sailed under the Ukrainian flag. Until now, nothing is known about their fate, as well as about what the likelihood of a terrorist attack is now. A little later, on March 1-2, intensive flights of landing helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were observed in the vicinity of Odessa, there is also a video. After that, talk of a potential terrorist attack subsided. It all looks like an action movie plot - but it is a reality, and the Ministry of Defense, perhaps, will tell about it one day.
In the meantime, attack Su-24M and Su-30SM of the 43rd Separate Naval Attack Aviation Regiment joined in the performance of strike missions over Ukraine. Marines and fighters of coastal troops are fighting in the Mariupol direction. And even a dam on the way of water to the Crimea was blown up by naval sappers.
A few days ago, according to media reports, ships of the Russian Navy supported the offensive of ground units in Mariupol with artillery fire from the sea. True, there are no photos or videos from our side, there is only a foreign satellite image.
But there is a photo of a ship that fired at Ukrainian positions in the Odessa region - it was a Project 11356 frigate, with a high degree of probability, Admiral Makarov. And Makarov, on the night of March 22, near the port of Ilyichevsk, hit with an anti-aircraft missile (all naval anti-aircraft systems can hit surface targets too) the Ukrainian diving vessel Neteshyn, from which they tried to lay mines. "Neteshin" threw himself ashore so as not to sink, the mine laying did not take place.
The Ministry of Defense has not yet announced a complete list of the dead military personnel of the coastal troops and marines, as well as the presence or absence of losses in naval aviation. In the meantime, another sad news has become known - the deputy commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Captain 1st Rank Andrey Paliy, died in Mariupol. Alas, it is impossible to avoid losses.
What does the enemy do? A warning was circulated that some of the anchor mines put up by Ukraine to prevent a Russian landing in Odessa had been torn off the minreps and are now drifting with sea currents. A worse gift from Ukraine simply could not be imagined - now all shipping in the northwestern part of the Black Sea is under threat, and over time, mines can be very far away.
The operation continues. As long as Turkey keeps the straits closed, no ship of a non-Black Sea NATO country will be in the theater of operations, and the Russian Navy will operate freely. And whatever his further actions, he has already played his important role in the operation. The actions of the Navy are an excellent response to critics who love to talk about the "continental power". Even if military operations are conducted on land, it is simply impossible to do without forces at sea. Ukraine is a prime example of this.
Source: VZGLYAD
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Is any progress made? What is the plan now?
If this is not a tactical retreat, then I don't know what on earth is happening.
Zele and his chronies move around like celebrities wtf!
Am afraid that a new Winter war is on the making.
Can China send 500k fighters?
If this is not a tactical retreat, then I don't know what on earth is happening.
Zele and his chronies move around like celebrities wtf!
Am afraid that a new Winter war is on the making.
Can China send 500k fighters?
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China will probably need its army for Taiwan. And i think Russia has enough soldiers in reserve. But i dont think they are in a hurry. They have time to plan the operation. And important thing is that they are winningHannibal Barca wrote:Is any progress made? What is the plan now?
If this is not a tactical retreat, then I don't know what on earth is happening.
Zele and his chronies move around like celebrities wtf!
Am afraid that a new Winter war is on the making.
Can China send 500k fighters?
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Sujoy wrote:
Starstreak was offered to India. Failed user trials several times.
This whole "starstreak" hype is just the same insane as the previous one concerning Javs and NLAWS.
Just looking at it is enough to judge that it is complicated to both transport and operate.
Not sure if you are aware of it, how it works
Well, the operator's job is to follow the target and illuminate it with a laser beam till the missile hits.
Good luck mounting this whole structure on the dynamic battlefield
Or try to illuminate the target with the launcher on your shoulder only
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Hannibal Barca wrote:Is any progress made? What is the plan now?
If this is not a tactical retreat, then I don't know what on earth is happening.
Zele and his chronies move around like celebrities wtf!
Am afraid that a new Winter war is on the making.
Can China send 500k fighters?
Focal point currently is the Donbas front, for Russian and Donbas troops, they have moved past Izyum and taken a crossing over Seversky Donets river, fighting their way towards Slovyansk through Kamyanka I believe attacking from the river side, this should eventually create a mini cauldron, cutting off Severodonetsk hopefully.
Advances also reported around Verkhnetoretskoe.
Mopping up in Mariupol in residential and populated areas, fighting at Azovstal plant, Macron apparently trying to do a deal to save the Nazis holed up there, hope Russia is not stupid enough to accept
The other fronts , no major movements or developments as yet
Don’t know what you on about with the Chinese troops
Also looking at how well the Ukranians are dug in across some of the parts that have been freed and recorded I am not surprised its slow going, keep in mind they have had 8 years to setup and build up hoping for an assault on Donbas, even with Grad TOS and Air salvos, its not easy breaking their rat holes. My prediction is when the main lines falls in Donbas it will be a domino effect for a large area beyond, then Kharkov and Odessa can properly be laid to siege, saving as many civilian as possible, the west of Banderistan including Kiev can get nuked for all I care.
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ALAMO wrote:
This whole "starstreak" hype is just the same insane as the previous one concerning Javs and NLAWS.
Just looking at it is enough to judge that it is complicated to both transport and operate.
Not sure if you are aware of it, how it works
Well, the operator's job is to follow the target and illuminate it with a laser beam till the missile hits.
Good luck mounting this whole structure on the dynamic battlefield
Or try to illuminate the target with the launcher on your shoulder only
South Africa bought a couple but I am pretty sure that BAE paid someone handsomely to get the deal, but failed to include the operating manual.
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The scale and extent of the Russian attack has been remarkable. Territory larger than the land mass of the UK was captured in less than 3 weeks.
Do bear in mind, despite all the help that Ukraine received from NATO, we have not seen a single instance of a Ukrainian regiment or brigade size unit attacking and defeating a comparable Russian unit.
Do bear in mind, despite all the help that Ukraine received from NATO, we have not seen a single instance of a Ukrainian regiment or brigade size unit attacking and defeating a comparable Russian unit.
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is going on here??
I chuckled from start to end at your post comrade, you have not lost your fire, which pleases me no end... welcome back.
The head of the LPR Pasechnik: a referendum on joining Russia can be held in the republic
The way Kiev has treated them it is not as big a surprise to me as it will be in the west.
By contrast, Biden has treated Xi with respect. Despite Xi's Covid coverup, Asian expansionism, and Muslim gulag—the largest mass incarceration of people on religious grounds since Hitler—President Biden has not hurled any personal insult at him, nor imposed meaningful sanctions.
To be fair Xi could very easily just reveal to the world that Covid probably did come from a bioweapons lab in China, but it wasn't Chinese controlled and funded, it was US controlled and funded so if you want to blame a country for Covid that would be the US.
Unfortunately some personalities on the Russian side have indeed reacted and although condemning torture, have called for prisoners not to be taken or some such in reaction. This is the precise reaction the Ukrainian regime is counting on, and anyone who calls for that on our side must be disciplined; at the very worst, they are effectively aiding the enemy and their war goals.
Very much agree, but that is not to say those responsible will get away with their crimes when they are located. The rest of the Ukrainian armed forces should not be tarred with the same brush for the crimes of a few idiots.
But Nazi's and the likes should be put against an wall for an firing squad in my opinion.
They simply wont surrender so no need for any firing squad... just kill them in combat.
Greece couldn't integrate their S 300 with NATO infra and neither could Turkey integrate their S 400.
Couldn't... or weren't allowed to?
Integrating a system into an IADS can be as simple as keeping track of where it is and what it can see and engage and so when other systems detect a target in the vicinity of the system it can be warned to power up and engage with direction and altitude target information provided so they don't need 360 degree target search radar operations to find the target... they could even look for targets using optics completely passively and then get a tracking radar lock based on the directional information from the optical system.
So you'd like them to fight Russia more competently?
It would be better if they surrendered and disarmed so Russian bullets can be kept for the nazis who really deserve the bullets.
These Orcs he is talking about not killing are just conscripts whose motivation to fight comes from lies from Kiev, or just fear of being shot if they don't do as they are told...
Very true, some can be used as decoys to lure out planes, hence why Iskander was used instead. It's better take out those systems, not much you can do against decoys unfortunately, but it's not all about the cost, this will not be 10-year war so anything goes.
High quality optics and night equipment is the best way to spot a fake, though if it looks like a BUK and managed to drive across a field then it is more likely to be a BUK than a blow up balloon... zoomed in optics from altitude and also thermal imaging, you can quickly tell if it has the details of the real thing or is a cobbled together fake.
It's good that Russia doesn't consider this phase to be a war then.
They should call it a police action...
The forum allows to embedd and share twitter posts so I will keep doing that. I follow rules of the forum not yours. You are free to not watch them and just scroll down to the next post.
His complaint was not what you posted or where you got it from, but the fact that the link you posted doesn't format and work properly and is just a mess of html code.
Perhaps you are not using the embed function correctly?
Kyiv will not make any deals. It has a very strong position and Russia has a weak position at present.
What will likely happen is that Russia will cleanse most of the south and east of current Ukraine of nazis and anti Russian and then those regions can have a referendum on being independent states.... I suspect the actions of Kiev and her nazis that most will want to join the Russian federation to prevent Kiev sending forces back to renazify them. I would expect the western most parts of current Ukraine will be gobbled up by Hungary and Poland, but who cares they were lost decades ago... where the crops are in the central Ukraine will likely turn pro Russian too... I suspect Russia could not care less about the rest, but will be able to dictate what they can't do.
The regions they don't really currently hold, I suspect they don't massively want, but hunting nazis is part of the process.... it is very good of them to come to the front lines to be killed they way they are doing now...
As much as I hope for peace, that deal is not going to lead to lasting peace. NATO will be in Ukraine within weeks to rebuild Ukraine and then provocations will be launched to restart the war and not one damn sanction will be lifted. Putin is dealing with a snake that wants to destroy him. The Russians have to get control of the country to at least the east bank of the Dniepr before any talks with the Zelensky regime can be started.
Agree, except they wont spend a cent to rebuild the Ukraine, they will blame Russia for any damage and just leave everything as it is...
Then I said "Do you realise Russian language and political parties are banned, thats half the population of the so called Ukraine?"
He replied "Oh I don't think its anywhere near half. They had 30 yrs to move to Russia if they don't like it".
In civilised Europe it is probably hard to understand, but banning languages and cultures was standard practice amongst the colonies... even to the extent of seizing children from native families so they can be brought up nice a proper with a western family who usually treated the child as the home help.
How would Americans or Australians or New Zealanders feel if that terrible colonial language of English was banned... if they don't like it they can all go back to England...
2)Russia could probably do more to educate people, esp given that the Russian case is overwhelming.
Its 2022 and we do have an internet. Its not the 1940s where u'd have to airdrop leaflets.
They have their own international TV channel which the west has blocked... anything else they do will be blocked or misrepresented as propaganda.
Western media attend speaches and press releases from Russia and distort and conceal anything that makes them look like they are not doing their jobs properly.
The future of Russia does not include the west any more... there is no need to convince the west, they are not interested in the truth... move on.
A simple serious of websites of varying degrees of depth.
Together with citation sources for the more deeper delving amongst people.
Hello... what do you think this is?
In my opinion FP is making lot of sense.
Except where everything is Putins fault... Putin got no choice in the matter because of the US and Kiev.
That just raises the morale of the enemy and gives ammo to its infowar campaign about beating the russkies back, only leading to more Ukrainian soldiers fighting rather than surrendering.
Putin is a shmuck.
War is very complex... sometimes a withdraw is to get the enemy to move forward so you can hit them with artillery where they find the areas of cover are mined or boobytrapped.
Don't blame Putin for the evil of the enemy... they don't need cuddles from the Russian troops, they just need respect... and if they bunch up then kill the fuckers in groups if they are that dumb.
From a strategic point of view it is not so good because more cockroaches are being motivated and recruited in western Ukraine.
How better to deal with them than lure them out of their holes?
It would be nice if Russia would have a few more soldiers on the front lines in Ukraine to pick up the pace.
They are already delivering supplies to the civilians... how many extra supply lines would you like to create to support these extra soldiers... in an environment where the enemy wants to play ambush the weak supply convoys it kinda makes sense not to provide more targets than are needed.
The logistics of any force are huge... for every tank you have lots of support people and supplies you need to add to keep that tank operational and it is the same for soldiers... when you increase the front line troops you greatly increase the soft targets coming up behind keeping them supplied... that is a dumb idea.
Ukraine has confirmed that it will accept neutrality but is to be guaranteed by third parties.
They can say anything they like... why believe them now?
Honestly I doubt Russia can win with the limited forces it has there, while being forced to play nice and be given essentially B tier stuff.
Don't really understand talk about B tier stuff... upgraded T-72s have the same gun as T-90s and similar optics and comms... APS would make a difference but are their tanks being ambushed... most turn out to be Ukrainian. their air power seems to be Ka-52s and Mi-28Ns as well as Hinds which are not second tier at all, and we have seen TOR and the latest model BUKs being shown which are as good as anyone has anywhere.
The fuel and ammo dumps getting hit and the barracks being destroyed seem to be pretty accurate attacks... even in malls... can they find those targets just with drones and satellites?
Arming civilians adds to the chaos, and it sounds like they tend to kill their own retreating forces more than actual Russian Specops... the effective range of their snipers has quadrupled over the last decade or so... and their optics are pretty good too.
No army no matter how well trained cannot win if you set them up for failure, its not that russia can't win they for sure can its just the situation that's being imposed on them by Putin is unreasonable for their position.
Their position is not unwinnable, and not unreasonable they are fighting a hard core enemy surrounded by civilians and even soldiers who really don't want to be there... killing the hard core and any other armed person trying to do them harm is the job.... it isn't rocket science.
Russia should probably invest in giving Kornet and other ATGMs remote operation capabilities like shershen and Stugna-p.
You mean like from a drone?
Their old Soviet AT-2 and AT-3 and AT-4 and AT-5 based BRDM-2 vehicles had remote operations capabilities... the launch range of Kornet kinda makes it irrelevant though... not many targets can shoot the operate of a missile launcher 8.5km away.
Hello. I didn't read the whole thread, but why didn't Russia focus on the West Ukraine? From Belarus to Moldova. Where do supplies come from? Aren't they from the west?
And the airspace control? Did Russia get it yes or no? How is it possible that supplies can still enter Ukraine and join the Ukrainian forces? How long will this "special operation" last?
The west is hard core anti Russian and is a lost cause I suspect... they have hit targets in those regions including ammo and barracks for foreign soldiers etc etc, but I doubt they will bother to send troops there.
It will last as long as it takes... there is no timetable.
Also, I am convinced that Russia has a huge amount of 9M729 missiles, cruise missiles, which are used by the Iskander-K system. I am convinced that the Russians already have several hundred H47M2 Kinzhal. And the 3M22 Zircon has certainly been produced in a few dozen copies.
Their huge range of a anti ship missiles designed to kill aircraft carriers were converted to land attack capability too and could also be used by virtue of their decent flight range and heavy HE payloads designed to destroy large ships.
Missiles like Granit and Vulcan and older types would be fine for hitting hard points in cauldrons, their lack of speed in the older models not really a problem because the enemy air defence has been weakened... if they want to launch missiles at these weapons then better than than using them against helicopters or manned aircraft.
Is any progress made? What is the plan now?
You think it is a good idea to discuss on an open forum what Russia might or might not do?
You do understand this is an open forum that anyone can access?
Russia knows what it is doing... stop believing western propaganda, the Orcs are not winning... their situation is hopeless.
Zele and his chronies move around like celebrities wtf!
The propaganda of the west is now saying Hitler wasn't so bad so Zelensky is in very good company there...
Am afraid that a new Winter war is on the making.
Don't be afraid and don't be such an idiot... this is not half trained conscripts walking through forests armed with Mosin rifles while the enemy operates on skis with SMGs.
In fact it is the reverse, with the C4ISTAR advantages mostly going to the Russian forces.
Can China send 500k fighters?
Why?
Well, the operator's job is to follow the target and illuminate it with a laser beam till the missile hits.
Kornet and Sosna/Pine works the same but the launcher has an auto target tracker that follows the target automatically... the operater just launches the missile... the Kornet is slower at about mach 2, but the Sosna is faster at over 1km/s.
The three darts payload design is odd... do they explode or just punch holes in things?
For small targets like drones there is a good chance all three darts would miss and do nothing at all.
In comparison the Kornet HE missile has a proximity fuse so a near miss will still kill out to 10km and up to 10km altitude.
Macron apparently trying to do a deal to save the Nazis holed up there, hope Russia is not stupid enough to accept
X2.
the west of Banderistan including Kiev can get nuked for all I care.
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Hannibal Barca wrote:Is any progress made? What is the plan now?
If this is not a tactical retreat, then I don't know what on earth is happening.
Zele and his chronies move around like celebrities wtf!
Am afraid that a new Winter war is on the making.
Can China send 500k fighters?
Russia is likely to retake Donbass and end its operations there. With such forces, they will not be able to go further or change the government in Kiev. The rebound of Donbas itself will not change much geopolitically. The government in Ukraine will not change. After the signing of the peace treaties, Ukraine will invite NATO troops. Ukraine is currently striking back in many places outside the Donbass. Russia will not be able to take over eastern Ukraine without significant mobilization, let alone change power in Kiev
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A couple of small scale ambushes in Kahrkov and Sumy, occupying an uncontested village in Kherson and a failed counter attack near Kiev can hardly be called “striking back in many places”
Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary
Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary
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Sujoy wrote:The scale and extent of the Russian attack has been remarkable. Territory larger than the land mass of the UK was captured in less than 3 weeks.
Do bear in mind, despite all the help that Ukraine received from NATO, we have not seen a single instance of a Ukrainian regiment or brigade size unit attacking and defeating a comparable Russian unit.
Not only that.
People really lack or miss the perspective.
It really was the biggest army in Europe. Twice the size of the Polish army, to compare. 240k active land forces personnel, infiltrated by the highly motivated nazi elements, with 8 years of war experience and battle hardened.
The heaviest one for sure, with 2000+ thousand tanks. That is more than double of Poland, which is the most armored army in EU, and I would say the third in NATO after the US and Turkey.
Artillery assets would be enough to equip all the armies of the EU, including Tochka-U, which would be still a potent weapon if not facing the Russian Army with it's extreme antiballistic capability. There is no other army in Europe having ballistic missile potential.
Ukro air forces operated some 130 airplanes, which is almost double the PAF.
SAM coverage is extremely heavy, they operated more systems than Poland, Germany, and France combined. Not to mention it's potency, because all of them were more or less modernized. The number of MANPADS they had was insane.
The antitank weapon was on an unprecedented level either, not only having waste stocks of old Soviet legacy systems, but thousands of newly delivered NATO stuff, and own brand new products.
The army was trained for 8 years by all of NATO instructors, filled with advisers, mercenaries, manuals - for one goal only. To fight Russkies.
And what the Russkies did?
They have just annihilated it within a few weeks.
What is left, is a loose bunch of units, with no heavy equipment, no means of transport, no fuel. They just wait for their turn to be smashed.
They did that using 200k troops on the ground - actually less than the opponent!
Presenting an extremely cautious toward the civilian population, trying to keep the infrastructure intact, playing a fair game.
Trying to keep even the opposing forces causality ratio as low as they could, as long as they could. Sometimes paying a bloody price for that.
They wiped out the strongest&heaviest army in Europe with one hand tied behind, losing a few planes, choppers, and some 200 pcs of other hardware.
Using smaller force, and a secondary echelon of equipment, while they kept the new toys for a matter of NATO doing something stupid.
As an EU citizen, I am terrified.
You know, I have no problem being a member of a gang ze Wezt became. Or always have been, one can argue.
But as you are one, it would be just fine to be a member of the biggest gang out there.
And it turns out - again and again - that this whole band of morons is strong in the mouth only.
They can win any given war on Twitter, still can't win any in real life.
As soon as Russkies get pissed - they will just smash this whole tin soldier toy armies, let it be Georgia, ISIS or Ukraine. And ask what is for the supper.
That really reminds me general Lebed, when he was a commander of the 40th Army and the Transdnistria shit started.
"If you will continue to do stupid things, I will get my breakfast in Tiraspol, lunch in Kishyniov, and supper in Bucarest"
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His complaint was not what you posted or where you got it from, but the fact that the link you posted doesn't format and work properly and is just a mess of html code.
Perhaps you are not using the embed function correctly?
Do you see my embedded twits ,
I use my smartphone with the web version of the forum. I can see all the embedded twitter posts so it's him who has an issue. Using the mobile version on a smartphone makes issue sering them. Must be what he does.
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N-LAW is the only ATGM with an in built Fire Control Computer that can track a moving target and remain locked on to it.GarryB wrote:Kornet and Sosna/Pine works the same but the launcher has an auto target tracker that follows the target automatically... the operater just launches the missile... the Kornet is slower at about mach 2, but the Sosna is faster at over 1km/s.
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RTN wrote:N-LAW is the only ATGM with an in built Fire Control Computer that can track a moving target and remain locked on to it.GarryB wrote:Kornet and Sosna/Pine works the same but the launcher has an auto target tracker that follows the target automatically... the operater just launches the missile... the Kornet is slower at about mach 2, but the Sosna is faster at over 1km/s.
With a 600m range, you don't need a fire control. It's pretty easy to fire at such targets.
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Russian Defense Ministry
RussianDefense Ministry briefing (28.03.2022)
️ A group of troops of the Russian Armed Forces, continuing successful offensive operations, penetrated 2 kilometers deep into the defense of the 95th airborne assault brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces and reached the southern outskirts of NOVOSELOVKA.
Units of the Luhansk People's Republic advanced 5 kilometers during the offensive, captured the settlements of Ivanovka, NOVOSADOVOE and reached the border of Novyublino, TERNI.
Aircraft and air defense systems of the Russian aerospace forces shot down in the air during the day four Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force flew over the Chernihiv region, two of them in the Repka area, and two more in the Gorodnya area.
One Ukrainian Su-27 fighter jet was shot down near Kramatorsk, Donetsk region.
During the day, 19 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of Kapitonovka, Prishib, Andreevka, Balakleya, BULGAKOVO, BEZYMYANE, GORODNYA, Zgurovka, Krasnogorlovka, Mandrykino, MARIUPOL, TERMAKHOVKA, TOLKACHI, Chernobayevka, Yakovlevka.
Besides, Five missiles of the Ukrainian Smerch multiple launch rocket system were shot down in the air near the Chernobayevka airfield in the Kherson region.
During the day on March 27, operational-tactical aircraft and missile forces hit 36 military facilities in Ukraine.
️ Among them: two command posts, two anti-aircraft missile systems, one multiple launch rocket system installation, three ammunition depots and two fuel and lubricants depots, and 23 areas of concentration of Ukrainian military equipment.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 308 unmanned aerial vehicles and 1,713 vehicles have been destroyed. tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 170 multiple rocket launchers, 715 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,557 units of special military vehicles.
RussianDefense Ministry briefing (28.03.2022)
️ A group of troops of the Russian Armed Forces, continuing successful offensive operations, penetrated 2 kilometers deep into the defense of the 95th airborne assault brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces and reached the southern outskirts of NOVOSELOVKA.
Units of the Luhansk People's Republic advanced 5 kilometers during the offensive, captured the settlements of Ivanovka, NOVOSADOVOE and reached the border of Novyublino, TERNI.
Aircraft and air defense systems of the Russian aerospace forces shot down in the air during the day four Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force flew over the Chernihiv region, two of them in the Repka area, and two more in the Gorodnya area.
One Ukrainian Su-27 fighter jet was shot down near Kramatorsk, Donetsk region.
During the day, 19 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of Kapitonovka, Prishib, Andreevka, Balakleya, BULGAKOVO, BEZYMYANE, GORODNYA, Zgurovka, Krasnogorlovka, Mandrykino, MARIUPOL, TERMAKHOVKA, TOLKACHI, Chernobayevka, Yakovlevka.
Besides, Five missiles of the Ukrainian Smerch multiple launch rocket system were shot down in the air near the Chernobayevka airfield in the Kherson region.
During the day on March 27, operational-tactical aircraft and missile forces hit 36 military facilities in Ukraine.
️ Among them: two command posts, two anti-aircraft missile systems, one multiple launch rocket system installation, three ammunition depots and two fuel and lubricants depots, and 23 areas of concentration of Ukrainian military equipment.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 308 unmanned aerial vehicles and 1,713 vehicles have been destroyed. tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 170 multiple rocket launchers, 715 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,557 units of special military vehicles.
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MOSCOW, March 28. /TASS/.
Russian aviation and air defense forces shot down five aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including a Su-27 fighter, in a day.
Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told reporters about this on Monday.
"Aviation and air defense systems of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down four Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force over the Chernihiv region in a day in the air, two of them in the Repka region, and two more in the Gorodnya region. In the Kramatorsk region of the Donetsk region one Ukrainian Su-27 fighter was shot down," he said
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14200517
Russian aviation and air defense forces shot down five aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including a Su-27 fighter, in a day.
Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told reporters about this on Monday.
"Aviation and air defense systems of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down four Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force over the Chernihiv region in a day in the air, two of them in the Repka region, and two more in the Gorodnya region. In the Kramatorsk region of the Donetsk region one Ukrainian Su-27 fighter was shot down," he said
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14200517
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The West seems to be trying to shut down the internet portals of other countries, not only Russia, because the MILITARY WATCH MAGAZINE has also been shut down.
I followed the publications of that magazine until a few days ago, until it was shut down, and I saw that they wrote about the great losses of the Ukrainian army. That obviously bothered the West.
I followed the publications of that magazine until a few days ago, until it was shut down, and I saw that they wrote about the great losses of the Ukrainian army. That obviously bothered the West.
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Denel used to make the best military equipment.Mir wrote:ALAMO wrote:
This whole "starstreak" hype is just the same insane as the previous one concerning Javs and NLAWS.
Just looking at it is enough to judge that it is complicated to both transport and operate.
Not sure if you are aware of it, how it works
Well, the operator's job is to follow the target and illuminate it with a laser beam till the missile hits.
Good luck mounting this whole structure on the dynamic battlefield
Or try to illuminate the target with the launcher on your shoulder only
South Africa bought a couple but I am pretty sure that BAE paid someone handsomely to get the deal, but failed to include the operating manual.
Not anymore sadly.
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Podlodka77 wrote:MOSCOW, March 28. /TASS/.
Russian aviation and air defense forces shot down five aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including a Su-27 fighter, in a day.
Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told reporters about this on Monday.
"Aviation and air defense systems of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down four Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force over the Chernihiv region in a day in the air, two of them in the Repka region, and two more in the Gorodnya region. In the Kramatorsk region of the Donetsk region one Ukrainian Su-27 fighter was shot down," he said
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14200517
Where are they getting fuel from?
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