Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

Let's not forget Putin claimed one of his main reasons was getting rid of guys like Azov, so kinda makes no sense your letting them walk out then.

Something must be going very wrong for the russians if they agreed to the demand.

Not a single Ukranian elite of worth pronounced dead as a result of a month + long operation. And it's not like these people are really hard to get to or tracked by a competent or semi-competent intelligence service in war time.

You want real progress, you start there, and not in a half assed way either. After all, Russia is AT WAR with these people - it's most of all, an elite war. Maybe Russia should really act like it cause the Ukranian elites are giving Putin and his clan all he bargained for and much more. Putin and cadre's modus operandi is full of holes, consequently, those holes are getting exploited to the maximum, as they should. And the cost of those vulnerabilities is both human, and material, and even the degree of success of the operation itself (most important thing of all).

The delusion of the "need" of not "angering" these elite with the threat of physical demise in order to have someone to sign away and "legitimize" the land grab is causing all sorts of chaos and headaches. Whomever is advising to stay firm on that calculus is crazy, and should be, frankly, shot. The idea assumes that eventually the Ukranians will have to "give in" due to the obvious facts on the ground. Meanwhile the Ukranian elite calculus is scorched earth on what most likely will be lost territory anyway so why give in and not cause maximum pain for the enemy if you're more than probable to lose it anyway. Not to mention, they all know their hides are well covered by the anglo's as long as they stay within the script.

There is only one thing that can change that calculus.

One thing will give, for sure.

Oh and the obvious, if you start to take out both economic, and political elites you'll have to officially declare war. Not that anyone sees it as anything else but a war but we know Putin and cadre, in their infinite hubris and genius decided, for political appearances on the international stage that it would be better to call it a special operation, so as to avoid it being labeled a war of conquest and an invasion. It's an invasion with responsibility to protect. It wouldn't have been one in 2014 had you kept Yanukovich in power using hard power and not ceding legitimacy to a blatant coup.

Maybe you don't have to declare war, and just keep calling it a special operation in a cynical  manner --- while taking out the elites and their power structure. Play dirty. One thing is for sure, you gotta play to win, whatever it takes.

Even a fantasy writer like George R. R. Martin gets it. Russia desperately needs their own version of the Red Wedding from Game of Thrones. Simple concepts and practical solutions... no need to overthink it. Humans are not that deep.

ATLASCUB wrote:Not a single Ukranian elite of worth pronounced dead as a result of a month + long operation. And it's not like these people are really hard to get to or tracked by a competent or semi-competent intelligence service in war time.

You want real progress, you start there, and not in a half assed way either. After all, Russia is AT WAR with these people - it's most of all, an elite war. Maybe Russia should really act like it cause the Ukranian elites are giving Putin and his clan all he bargained for and much more. Putin and cadre's modus operandi is full of holes, consequently, those holes are getting exploited to the maximum, as they should. And the cost of those vulnerabilities is both human, and material, and even the degree of success of the operation itself (most important thing of all).

The delusion of the "need" of not angering these elite, these people in order to have someone to sign away and "legitimize" the land grab is causing all sorts of chaos and headaches. Whomever is advising to stay firm on that calculus is crazy, and should be, frankly, shot.

One thing will give, for sure.

Couldn't agree more, it's the most bizarre thing to witness this, Russians sent to a meatgrinder to preserve the illusion of "good faith"

These guys have caused these executions by their actions, it is the de facto allowance of war crimes to be committed on russian soldier, via incompetent and half assed measures

It is the most frustrating thing, I cannot watch anymore execution videos because I will blow a gasket and **** the whole forum up

I cannot see how western people can continue to support the way this war is carried out at the expense of Russian blood , and then demand for more Russians "to pick up a rifle" and fight for imbeciles who send us to torture, death, and brutalization by a nazi and criminal regime

And then claim that it is a good idea to take it easy on Ukraine, it's like the NKVD rearguard

Go comrade, charge the machine gun, or else

billybatts91 wrote:

Broski wrote:

Russian military offer Ukraine troops, mercenaries to lay down arms and exit Mariupol

According to the colonel general, the humanitarian situation is serious in certain districts of Mariupol controlled by Ukrainian armed units

MOSCOW, April 4./TASS/. On April 5, Russia will once again open a humanitarian corridor for the evacuation of civilians and foreign nationals from Mariupol, it offers the Ukrainian military, territorial defense battalions and foreign mercenaries to lay down arms and exit the city towards Zaporozhye, Mikhail Mizintsev, chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center, said on Monday.

"Solely for humanitarian purposes and also at the request of the Turkish side, the Russian Federation reopens humanitarian corridors from 06:00 on April 5, 2022 for the evacuation of foreign nationals and civilians from Mariupol. It is also ready to ensure the entry of ships involved in the evacuation into the port of Berdyansk and exit from it in compliance with the rules of international maritime law," Mizintsev said.

According to the colonel general, the humanitarian situation is serious in certain districts of Mariupol controlled by Ukrainian armed units. "Guided purely by humanitarian principles to save the lives of civilians, the Russian Armed Forces offer units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, territorial defense battalions and foreign mercenaries to stop hostilities from 06:00 (Moscow time) on April 5, 2022, lay down arms and exit towards Zaporozhye to the territories under the Kiev control along the route coordinated with the Ukrainian side," he said. The lives of all those who lay down arms will be guaranteed, Mizintsev said.

I don't agree with this at all, why let these people escape after what they've done to the people and city of Mariupol? Will they also let the french bastards who coordinated the neonazis go too?

Makes no sense at all. They've terrorized the local population and the Russians are just gonna let them go terrorize in some other region of Urkaine? Really? Arrest that scum, send them to Siberia for all I care, but don't let them exit for free.

From what I read elsewhere this does not include Azov or other nazi units. Only regular units and mercs (must be getting something back for that hopefully)

Mariupol


LPR area

RU MoD has cancelled the umpteenth Mariupol evacuation offer, after UA declined.

Supposedly two UA Mi-8s were shot down enroute, so UA declined the offer but still attempted to extract someone, I guess? Someone they don't want the Russians to spot?

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:RU MoD has cancelled the umpteenth Mariupol evacuation offer, after UA declined.

Supposedly two UA Mi-8s were shot down enroute, so UA declined the offer but still attempted to extract someone, I guess? Someone they don't want the Russians to spot?

It's officially confirmed.

I find this amusing like 10 vehicles will do anything

Lavrov has made it clear that all negotiations are over.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:Not a single Ukranian elite of worth pronounced dead as a result of a month + long operation. And it's not like these people are really hard to get to or tracked by a competent or semi-competent intelligence service in war time.

You want real progress, you start there, and not in a half assed way either. After all, Russia is AT WAR with these people - it's most of all, an elite war. Maybe Russia should really act like it cause the Ukranian elites are giving Putin and his clan all he bargained for and much more. Putin and cadre's modus operandi is full of holes, consequently, those holes are getting exploited to the maximum, as they should. And the cost of those vulnerabilities is both human, and material, and even the degree of success of the operation itself (most important thing of all).

The delusion of the "need" of not angering these elite, these people in order to have someone to sign away and "legitimize" the land grab is causing all sorts of chaos and headaches. Whomever is advising to stay firm on that calculus is crazy, and should be, frankly, shot.

One thing will give, for sure.

Couldn't agree more, it's the most bizarre thing to witness this, Russians sent to a meatgrinder to preserve the illusion of "good faith"

These guys have caused these executions by their actions, it is the de facto allowance of war crimes to be committed on russian soldier, via incompetent and half assed measures

It is the most frustrating thing, I cannot watch anymore execution videos because I will blow a gasket and **** the whole forum up

I cannot see how western people can continue to support the way this war is carried out at the expense of Russian blood , and then demand for more Russians "to pick up a rifle" and fight for imbeciles who send us to torture, death, and brutalization by a nazi and criminal regime

And then claim that it is a good idea to take it easy on Ukraine,  it's like the NKVD rearguard

Go comrade,  charge the machine gun,  or else

Why don't you recognize psychological warfare for what it is?

Once you know what it is, you can ignore it

And the rest of your post is just rationalization for preserving your own ass. We're in a war now not only with the Ukraine, but a full-blown hybrid one with the West too.
So chin up, and no more panic-mongering.

kvs wrote:Lavrov has made it clear that all negotiations are over.  

When/where?

The New York Times has published another fake trying to prop up the original one about the Bucha massacre.
They have purported satellite imagery from March 19th showing bodies laid out on the street similar to the ones
in the video put out by Kiev. So bodies have been lying in the street for two weeks when the local temperature
is during the day above 10 C and have not even developed cadaver spots (which show up after less than a day).

I am sure there will be another New York Times article clarifying that these are other bodies which must have been
removed to some mass grave somewhere. As usual with liars, they keep digging their own hole. If Russian forces
"covered up" the previous batch of "innocent victims", then why did they leave the batch shown in the video?

But the average NATzO fake stream media consumer does not have enough intellectual engagement to ask basic
questions that cut through the shit. As I said, people believe what they want to believe.

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/colonelhomsi/status/1511389312197222405

Castrate, cut off his fingers, shoot him in the legs and then send him back and you should get the Ukes to stop their nonsense.

mnztr wrote:

kvs wrote:Lavrov has made it clear that all negotiations are over.  

When? Where?

He gave an interview from his office where he noted that the Bucha hoax was perfectly timed to give the Kiev regime
an out of the positions it negotiated in Istanbul. As soon as the "atrocity" was shown, Zelensky deleted all of the concessions
made at those negotiations. Lavrov said that the Russian side would not play cat and mouse with the Kiev regime and that
further negotiations are pointless with such changes of stance by Kiev.

The shipment of tanks and armoured vehicles from Czechia and elsewhere are a joke considering that we had trumpeting
by the Kiev regime and its NATzO parrots that "Ukraine" had more tanks now than on February 24.

Since the timing of the Bucha hoax was too convenient for the negotiations disruption, it is certain that it was organized by MI6 as
stated by the Ukrainian Rada deputy. The British were practically foaming at the mouth demanding that Zelensky make no concessions.

Lavrov will be back at the negotiations the second the Ukranians ask for one by command of the West opportunistically.

You can take and cash that to the bank, 100% guaranteed returns.

The tiger cannot change its stripes. Putin and cadre can't change how they lead, govern and operate fundamentally - that's who they're. The West knows this, and it continues to exploit it beyond belief for their gain. It's gotten to the point where people ask.....when will Russians learn? Where is the bottom? If the everyday layman can see it, you know it stinks. There is no 5D chess to this.

It's not a problem of learning and snapping to reality, it's problem of personal. You don't wage war with a peace council. That nature is obviously proving in certain aspects of this conflict to be a detriment to the Russian people and state. It also speaks of the weakness of the political structure of the Russian state, with concentration of power at the very top.

Talk about Kievan "feints". The Ukranian regime and obviously their masters have been feinting in the negotiations and will continue to be deceptive, play dirty, feint etc to get what they want up until the end. They got Russia exactly where they want them on their calculus. For the West, all of Ukraine, and its elites are expendable - so the more proctacted the conflict the better. The West will only settle if Russia really means business and is about to steam roll Ukraine in a horrible fashion for their interest. Only then will the West try to salvage anything to keep a footprint in Ukraine for later use. That's what the ultimate fall back plan to Lvov and the Polish feint is all about. Mistake #1 is deciding to invade with the ultimate goal of a negotiated solution. No, you never let your enemy figure out your strategy. You invade with the public goal and intent of taking out every single enemy of the Russian state within Ukraine, no exceptions, top Ukranian leadership and elites included........ Once your true enemy, the elite (not the rank and file soliders)... once they feel the horror and see their peers fall... questioning whether they'll be next....Only then will it be they who will beg you to negotiate to save their hide. And after you've gotten what you wanted by force, after the ink dries, you turn around and **** them in the back. The message to all will be very clear for those watching. If you **** with us, we will **** you harder.

If Russia isn't able to communicate that forcefully by taking out elites permanently this will drag on for a long time and the half assed solution to the original problem will be all but guaranteed. The Kremlin might try to have their "mission accomplished" moment but we all know make-believe reality is not real.

Regular wrote:

ArgentinaGuard wrote:

Mongolian tribunes are the genetic basis of modern Chinese. It's like saying Vikings and Swedes. And the Mongols bequeathed a lot to the Chinese. You must believe the Western hoax that they only destroyed when they were talented merchants.
No, Mao's China was much better than the USSR, that's why it didn't disappear. The USSR was great until Stalin because he was a convinced nationalist. After Stalin, the USSR had a succession of useless leaders.
Chinese youth is far superior to the West, it is clear that you do not know Chinese. In Argentina there are several.

Sorry, don't want to expand into off-topic. I had no chance to live during Stalin so I can't really say if life for me as a growing teenager would have been better during his reign. What do you think? I still think the Soviet Union in the early to mid-80s was a peak comfy place to live.

I don't speak Chinese, visited in 2019. Dirty, overcrowded, and more Westernised than most of Eastern Europe, people were stuck on their phones even when crossing the street. It was before TikTok and all the Mukbang and similar crap got big.

I don't know if the 80's were good years to live in the USSR, more so with a weak and useless man like Gorbachev. A domesticated USSR in the face of constant provocation from the West. So the system ends. I like order, traditional values. I am not interested in false freedom or comfort.

Western media doesn't cite Ukraine Presidential adviser Arestovych often. Perhaps because he seems to be the only Ukraine official to project the reality almost as it is. "No illusions there" is his favourite line, be it regarding Torture of Russian POW, or military gains/losses

I resume the daily briefings, this is a recap of quick postings on the Spanish forum in the last few days, lots of links in Russian and a brief operational summary as I understand it

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/04/05/noticias-de-la-guerra-05-04-2022-retirada-desgaste-estrategia-y-propaganda/

I will try to keep the war journal with daily entries, it seems major battles will happen soon after this pause