Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11

"THERE ARE MORE THAN THREE THOUSAND CAPTIVES, SO THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING, WE ARE WAITING FOR NEW RECEIPT.

The Donbas boiler will "give birth" to at least thirty thousand more."

https://t.me/intelslava/25173

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The remnants of the 53rd brigade tried to escape to Zaporozhye but were destroyed."



I don't know why they think they can escape.

If it is regular Ukrainian army, they should just surrender.

https://t.me/intelslava/25174

Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

limb wrote:Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

I am waiting for more information on this, I don't think anyone know for 100%.

the coming battle is to control the water supply into Donetsk from this canal

previously when the Azov nutters controlled Mariupol the Ukrainian nutters couldn't cut off the Donetsk water
as they relied on that water supply to Mariupol via Donetsk

now that Mariupol is effectively gone ..... they will cut off the water to Donetsk

just like they did to Crimea .... which the Rus fixed on Day 1 via Kherson incursion ....

Slovansk Kramortsk area is ground zero  
no point "liberating" Donetsk city area if there is no water  ....

probably in 2 weeks time .... or so

par far wrote:

limb wrote:Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

I am waiting for more information on this, I don't think anyone know for 100%.

the Russians' themselves have said the ship is badly damaged.

par far wrote:

limb wrote:Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

I am waiting for more information on this, I don't think anyone know for 100%.

I only see an article on ria novosti about an explosion. Also if the Ukrainians hit it why didn't they provide any footage?

Podlodka77 wrote:There is only one fast solution in terms of large surface ships for Russia and that is to forget about pride and to order Chinese Type 052D destroyers.

The Chinese Destroyer isn't bad but the Gorshkov is actually armed better with better systems. I know this is debatable but I just am not keen on Chinese mil equipment for some reasons I wont get into. But regardless, they are not bad its just that Russian may be better at various sub systems.

But, I would say it could be in Russia's interest to work with China in localizing production of the Type 052D in Russia at a specific or two shipyards using Russian electronics/radar/comms, missiles and ad weapons.  This could give a good boost to both parties.  Russia isnt known for selling their ships overseas anyways (their subs are top sellers) so its not like it will be some kind of problem for Russia to do that.

par far wrote:

limb wrote:Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

I am waiting for more information on this, I don't think anyone know for 100%.

Its on RT so something bad happened to it, we're just not sure if it was an attack, accident and if the ship is sunk or being salvaged.

ALAMO wrote:

kvs wrote:It took them this long to fire off Neptune missiles?   Does not make sense.   The MOD story is more likely and it was
a detonation of munitions on the ship.   Maybe there was a sabotage unit that managed to get onboard the ship.

It seems (Z)elensky is getting cocky with the showering of trash from his owners.   Watch for NATzO to start bleating
about negotiations soon.

They have faced a 3 week long presence of tasty targets like landing ships full of marines, and lacking serious AD - and did not consider them as missile worthy.
But now they decided to strike at armed to the teeth cruiser, having few weapon systems capable to intercept the salvo.
Yeah, sounds legitimate!
I buy it!

It is a much easier target to hit, that is for sure. Gorshkov could have sufficed a lot better than the Moskva. It was a ship designed for a different era of fighting.

While it sucks, I would say now Russia will be forced to get a new ship anyway.

limb wrote:Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

The Russian MoD apparently stated there was a fire on board which caused substantial damage where the crew had to be evacuated. According to the them cause of fire is being investigated.

On the other hand, the Nazi regime in Kiev is claiming that it was their missile attack that caused the damage and ship was sunk.

So it appears that it was  damaged, how serious and what caused it is yet to be confirmed.
That’s pretty much it for the moment.

limb wrote:

par far wrote:

limb wrote:Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

I am waiting for more information on this, I don't think anyone know for 100%.

I only see an article on ria novosti about an explosion. Also if the Ukrainians hit it why didn't they provide any footage?

I don't think Ukrainian hit it, if something did happen to it, it is most likely a accident on the ship.

Serberus wrote:

limb wrote:Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

The Russian MoD apparently stated there was a fire on board which caused substantial damage where the crew had to be evacuated. According to the them cause of fire is being investigated.

On the other hand, the Nazi regime in Kiev is claiming that it was their missile attack that caused the damage and ship was sunk.

So it appears that it was  damaged, how serious and what caused it is yet to be confirmed.
That’s pretty much it for the moment.

I refuse to believe that it was sunk. It has osas, ak-630, multiple radars all optimized for subsonic sea skimming missiles. Its most likely damaged.

limb wrote:

Serberus wrote:

limb wrote:Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

The Russian MoD apparently stated there was a fire on board which caused substantial damage where the crew had to be evacuated. According to the them cause of fire is being investigated.

On the other hand, the Nazi regime in Kiev is claiming that it was their missile attack that caused the damage and ship was sunk.

So it appears that it was  damaged, how serious and what caused it is yet to be confirmed.
That’s pretty much it for the moment.

I refuse to believe that it was sunk. It has osas, ak-630, multiple radars all optimized for subsonic sea skimming missiles.  Its most likely damaged.

Well, there was another major issue - the black sea was undergoing a massive storm as well. So after the crew was evacuated, we are unsure what they did.

We are all speculating with very little info with some people going nearly insane.

"According to the RK "Moscow".

1. In the morning, a fire and an explosion on the ship were officially confirmed, followed by the evacuation of the crew. The information is confirmed by major federal media referring to the RF Ministry of Defense.
2. Ukraine claimed yesterday that it used Neptune anti-ship missiles, but this information was accompanied by fake photos and videos related to other episodes (an edited video of a fire on a ship from Tanzania and the sinking of an Iranian warship).
3. There are also versions that the ship could have been hit by NATO anti-ship missiles secretly delivered to Ukraine, as well as blown up by a drifting mine.
4. At night there were reports that the ship had already sunk due to the consequences of the detonation of ammunition, but there is no official confirmation of this.
5. In any case, this is a serious loss for the Black Sea Fleet. Although the ship is old, it is far from useless and not so easily replaceable, given the difficulties in building large surface warships in the country (unfortunately, we do not build ships of comparable size in large batches, as in China itself - see below). rate of construction of Type 055 destroyers)
6. This story once again reminds us that a proxy war against the US and NATO is going on in Ukraine, which such "surprises" like a helicopter raid or an attack on the RAV warehouse in Belgorod perfectly confirm.
7. Regarding the reaction, I support the widespread opinion - stop lisping, phony and warn.

We are waiting for what they will say at the briefing of the Russian Defense Ministry."


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Yeah, its the same members who lost their minds after the Berdyansk port incident.
I know emotions are high but no point of losing your shit over it.
Even if the worst happened and it was sunk its not the end of the world, sure a big loss but in the scheme of things, this is a fight for Russia’s survival against not just Ukraine but Nato and we should be prepared for even worse.
Banderistan is being driven to destruction, slowly but surely, and no matter what small or large victories they may yet claim I am confident it will not effect the outcome of the war.

ALAMO wrote:Drama queens. Drama queens everywhere

Do you think it sunk from the storm? Do you think any damage control was attempted?

Did Ukraine even have Mi-24 with night sights and radio or laser altimeter to be able to conduct that strike in Belgorod?
I would not be surprised if those helicopters were either upgraded with extra systems or were actually brought from somewhere else.
Russia did export some Mi-35 with night fighting capabilities. But AFAIK not to Ukraine.

Missile cruiser "Moskva" was seriously damaged as a result of the detonation of ammunition (info updated by TASS in 08 : 15, Moscow time)

MOSCOW, 14 April. /TASS/. The guards missile cruiser of the Black Sea Fleet "Moskva" was seriously damaged as a result of the detonation of ammunition that occurred as a result of a fire, the crew was evacuated. This was reported in the Russian Defense Ministry.

"As a result of a fire, ammunition detonated on the Moskva missile cruiser. The ship was seriously damaged. The crew was completely evacuated," the military department said. Earlier it was reported that a fire broke out on the missile cruiser. The ministry said the cause of the fire is under investigation.

https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/14373395

So, this is TASS and TASS is considered number 1. RIA is far below.

Battalion Tactical Groups (BTG's)

-Read somewhere yesterday that the US was saying that there were ~ 55 Russian BTG's inside Ukraine from Kherson to Luhansk and there were a total of 90 in theater (Belarus and neighboring Russia included). Not sure where the units in Kharkov are counted against.
-Shogiu had stated over a year back there were 168 such units and more have been formed since. By my count there could be 180 such units today. Fifteen of these would be stationed outside of Russia proper, another 12 in Kaliningrad plus 4 in the Sakhalin / Kuriles leaving 149 available.
-These units are still supported and part of larger units such as regiments and brigades plus supported further by Division, Corps or Army assets.
-In NATO these are called Battle Groups or Task Forces.
-A quick count of units in the US Army and Marine Corps suggest they would field 106 of these however there is a significant difference in manpower size as Western units especially US are up to 80% larger in size.

It's natural to get sad or angry at such news regardless what was the cause, but this will be over shadowed when 60k Ukrainian forces are Destroyed, captured or flee. And when the war is won you will quietly forget about this tragedy.

As someone already mentioned I find it strange that only now are Ukraine stating it's used Neptune yet it had other opportunities to use on Russian vessels and didn't I feel they used the accident to suddenly support the idea they used Neptune.

If however Neptune was used then it wasn't done without NATO help and Intelligence. And if so then I am sure Russia will be helping some Islamic terrorist target a NATO vessel in return.

If the vessel is lost, then as I previously stated Russia could if It wanted take Ukraines Slava class the ukraina haul back to Russia overhaul and put back into service. Russia in the pasted wanted the vessel to do such now they get it for free.

This won't effect Donbass cauldron and the battle there will commence.

I'm surprised Russia hasn't done more to think of deterrents against GAYTO.
If someone attacks you, you don't punch their fist. You neutralise their fist (the Ukraine) and punch them in the head (the USA etc who arm the fist/the Pukraine).

Russia could give missiles to Islamic groups to strike American ships off the Middle East using fast boats etc. Or to black and Hispanic criminals in the USA. Or just say to America and co "this stops now, not soon, NOW".

You can't fight NATO without... fighting NATO.