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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11
Dr.Snufflebug Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:53 am
Which Il-76? Ukrainian officials claimed two on the second day of all-out conflict, but no proof was ever given and it's been one and a half months now, yet to be confirmed.
Rumors on the Ruweb says Moskva is afloat and under tow. If true, then some Sevastopoltsy will probably upload photos once she enters port.
Rumors on the Ruweb says Moskva is afloat and under tow. If true, then some Sevastopoltsy will probably upload photos once she enters port.
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From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped.
Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged.
The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area.
Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port.
The cause of the fire is under investigation.
Hopefully our more emotional friends of the forum will have a better day today
Even if Nazis managed to be the cause of the damage it appears it will be sailing again , hopefully soon
Also no reports of casualties amongst the crew which is most welcome news
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped. Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged. The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area. Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port. The cause of the fire is under investigation.Hopefully our more emotional friends of the forum will have a better day today
Even if Nazis managed to be the cause of the damage it appears it will be sailing again , hopefully soon
Also no reports of casualties amongst the crew which is most welcome news
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11
Stealthflanker Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:58 am
Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Which Il-76? Ukrainian officials claimed two on the second day of all-out conflict, but no proof was ever given and it's been one and a half months now, yet to be confirmed.
Rumors on the Ruweb says Moskva is afloat and under tow. If true, then some Sevastopoltsy will probably upload photos once she enters port.
It never been proven more than supposed "testimony" from US officer which have knowledge on "situation on the ground". and twitter people resort to use old 2014 image of Ukrainian Il-76 shot down and 1980 Il-62 accident in Poland. Also i saw at least 1 image from Iranian flight that was accidentally shot down by Tor's being claimed as Russian Il-76 debris.
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Thank God! At first I thought it was a PR disaster for Russia but now it's a PR disaster for Ukraine. They have already said that the Moskva is at the bottom of the Black Sea.Serberus wrote:From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The Moskva will return to service, we don't know when, but I'm sure repairs will be made as soon as humanly possible.
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Dr.Snufflebug Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:02 am
Well, if the MoD says so, I guess it's official.
And if the "main missile armament" is undamaged, one can't help but to wonder what exactly was on fire, and why.
Did an anti-air VLS cell malfunction at launch?
theory: And then the resulting explosions/fire was reported by NATO surveillance as "looking real bad", and then, full of hope for an imminent total loss, UA went all-in with the propaganda?
And if the "main missile armament" is undamaged, one can't help but to wonder what exactly was on fire, and why.
Did an anti-air VLS cell malfunction at launch?
theory: And then the resulting explosions/fire was reported by NATO surveillance as "looking real bad", and then, full of hope for an imminent total loss, UA went all-in with the propaganda?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11
Rodion_Romanovic Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:04 am
Exactly, it doesn't make any sense for Russia to build chinese ships. 22350 and 22350M are what the Russian navy needs. In the future possibly also some larger cruisers, but only after they would have already a good number of 22350M in production. Who knows, maybe the next cruiser will be build in Nikolaev again (I know that the 3 large shipyards there are dilapidated, but bringing them back into shape and modernizing them will cost less than building new shipyards elsewhere. Furthermore the location is very good for shipbuilding.ALAMO wrote:kvs wrote:It took them this long to fire off Neptune missiles? Does not make sense. The MOD story is more likely and it was
a detonation of munitions on the ship. Maybe there was a sabotage unit that managed to get onboard the ship.
It seems (Z)elensky is getting cocky with the showering of trash from his owners. Watch for NATzO to start bleating
about negotiations soon.
They have faced a 3 week long presence of tasty targets like landing ships full of marines, and lacking serious AD - and did not consider them as missile worthy.
But now they decided to strike at armed to the teeth cruiser, having few weapon systems capable to intercept the salvo.
Yeah, sounds legitimate!
I buy it!sepheronx wrote:Podlodka77 wrote:There is only one fast solution in terms of large surface ships for Russia and that is to forget about pride and to order Chinese Type 052D destroyers.
The Chinese Destroyer isn't bad but the Gorshkov is actually armed better with better systems.
But, I would say it could be in Russia's interest to work with China in localizing production of the Type 052D in Russia at a specific or two shipyards using Russian electronics/radar/comms, missiles and ad weapons. This could give a good boost to both parties. Russia isn't known for selling their ships overseas anyways (their subs are top sellers) so its not like it will be some kind of problem for Russia to do that.
It does not work like that bud.
A ship is designed and built to carry specified systems, and any change is a redesigning it in reality.
There would be perfectly zero pros to localize T052 for Russian shipyard, and lots of cons.
The momentum and price advantage exist because the Chinese ar rebuilding them in numbers, and with an accepted and optimized project.
Now if you will place let's say a 4 pcs series, and redesign it to carry all the weapon&sensor suite of the Russian origin - you are killing all the economy. That would need adopting the production process, checking if that works, making intense testing etc.
Best solution for VMF is to pump up 22350, because it is already a proven and mastered project. Extending the hull, increasing the cell number, adding storage space for food, fuel and crew accommodation - and you have a perfect destroyer made with the technology you know.
Hey, isn't that what they are doing?
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Half of your fellow faggots have abandoned ship, remaining half lying at the bottom of the sea, but Nimitz is in danger.Podlodka77 wrote:Look at him, AMERICUNT is here !
Don't worry, there is time for USS Nimitz ... Who laughs last, laughs sweetest ..
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Podlodka77 Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:08 am
Serberus wrote:From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
Hopefully our more emotional friends of the forum will have a better day today
Even if Nazis managed to be the cause of the damage it appears it will be sailing again , hopefully soon
Also no reports of casualties amongst the crew which is most welcome news
You are my Serb, I knew from the beginning .. Only we Serbs bring good news ....
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Stealthflanker Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:10 am
Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Well, if the MoD says so, I guess it's official.
And if the "main missile armament" is undamaged, one can't help but to wonder what exactly was on fire, and why.
Did an anti-air VLS cell malfunction at launch?
theory: And then the resulting explosions/fire was reported by NATO surveillance as "looking real bad", and then, full of hope for an imminent total loss, UA went all-in with the propaganda?
Mine maybe, it hits, caused explosion and fires in some magazine. But the crew finally managed to control it.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11
d_taddei2 Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:13 am
caveat emptor wrote:Ukrainian Slava is in really bad shape. I don't think it can be used for anything.d_taddei2 wrote:It's natural to get sad or angry at such news regardless what was the cause, but this will be over shadowed when 60k Ukrainian forces are Destroyed, captured or flee. And when the war is won you will quietly forget about this tragedy.
As someone already mentioned I find it strange that only now are Ukraine stating it's used Neptune yet it had other opportunities to use on Russian vessels and didn't I feel they used the accident to suddenly support the idea they used Neptune.
If however Neptune was used then it wasn't done without NATO help and Intelligence. And if so then I am sure Russia will be helping some Islamic terrorist target a NATO vessel in return.
If the vessel is lost, then as I previously stated Russia could if It wanted take Ukraines Slava class the ukraina haul back to Russia overhaul and put back into service. Russia in the pasted wanted the vessel to do such now they get it for free.
This won't effect Donbass cauldron and the battle there will commence.
Not really. Back in 2011 Russia wanted to buy it. In 2018 Brazil wanted to buy it. And Ukraine had been spending around $250k a month maintaining it. It was 95% complete when it got shelved, Ukraine stated would cost $30 million to recommission it to sailing condition, this obviously doesn't include new armaments, AD systems, radar etc.
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Podlodka77 Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:16 am
I think Serberus, my countryman, deserved us all to order him a beer. We've all been on thin strings all night.
Everyone except that AMERICUNT, RTN !
Everyone except that AMERICUNT, RTN !
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If you AmeriCUNTs are so cool and so superior ÜBERMENSCHEN with superior WUNDERWAFFEN...why not fight against Russia? What are you afraid of? Why are you turning Ukraine into a slaughterhouse? Why support crazy Nazis in Ukraine but in the US you scream BLM?RTN wrote:Half of your fellow faggots have abandoned ship, remaining half lying at the bottom of the sea, but Nimitz is in danger.Podlodka77 wrote:Look at him, AMERICUNT is here !
Don't worry, there is time for USS Nimitz ... Who laughs last, laughs sweetest ..
I see a couple of faggots but they live across the Atlantic and you're one of them!
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Looks like Nazis have struck the territory of Russia again this time around Klimovo
There may be civilian casualties
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42281
Lets hope Russia retaliates in the way they said they would.
Anyone with more knowledge than me can ID what ordinance they used?
There may be civilian casualties
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42281
Lets hope Russia retaliates in the way they said they would.
Anyone with more knowledge than me can ID what ordinance they used?
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A buffer zone would be good.Serberus wrote:Looks like Nazis have struck the territory of Russia again this time around Klimovo
There may be civilian casualties
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42281
Lets hope Russia retaliates in the way they said they would.
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Podlodka77 Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:24 am
RTN wrote:Half of your fellow faggots have abandoned ship, remaining half lying at the bottom of the sea, but Nimitz is in danger.Podlodka77 wrote:Look at him, AMERICUNT is here !
Don't worry, there is time for USS Nimitz ... Who laughs last, laughs sweetest ..
RTN, that's how it is in your life when you are rude and arrogant, and you think you are superior to the rest of us ...
That's why you got a new nickname - AMERICUNT !
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Wehrmacht soldiers taken to monument dedicated to victim of their atrocities in LNR
https://t.me/c/1705592166/1872
https://t.me/c/1705592166/1872
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Podlodka77 Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:27 am
MOSCOW, April 14. / TASS /. The source of the fire on the cruiser "Moscow" is localized, there is no open fire and the explosions of ammunition have been stopped. This was reported to journalists by the Russian Defense Ministry on Thursday.
"The source of the fire on the cruiser" Moscow "is localized. There is no open combustion. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped," the agency said.
According to the Ministry of Defense, the cruiser maintains buoyancy, and its main missile weapons are not damaged. "The crew of the cruiser was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area. Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port," the military department added, noting that the causes of the fire are being established.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14375981
"The source of the fire on the cruiser" Moscow "is localized. There is no open combustion. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped," the agency said.
According to the Ministry of Defense, the cruiser maintains buoyancy, and its main missile weapons are not damaged. "The crew of the cruiser was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area. Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port," the military department added, noting that the causes of the fire are being established.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14375981
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One for you Podlodka
I spotted a Serbian volunteer amongst the Donbas troops , may not be visible on here as the image hosting quality is reduced but he is wearing a
patch and a Serbian style prayer bead.
I spotted a Serbian volunteer amongst the Donbas troops , may not be visible on here as the image hosting quality is reduced but he is wearing a
patch and a Serbian style prayer bead.
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Dr.Snufflebug Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:37 am
Funny to read Russian military forums. From an entire night of doom and gloom to "it's alive!!!"
So many emotional keyboard warriors... That old Russian saying seems oddly fitting, haha: "Москва слезам не верит"
So many emotional keyboard warriors... That old Russian saying seems oddly fitting, haha: "Москва слезам не верит"
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Stealthflanker Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:37 am
Ok from Tass
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14375981
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14375981
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Podlodka77 Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:41 am
Serberus wrote:One for you Podlodka
I spotted a Serbian volunteer amongst the Donbas troops , may not be visible on here as the image hosting quality is reduced but he is wearing a
That's right, our flag is on his chest.
And to thank you once again for easing our suffering about МОСКВА. If they already claim that the "main weaponс" did not explode, then it could be that there was an explosion of missiles from the S-300F system or what, a mine?
And I am very surprised that RIA Novosti published that information before TASS. After reading your link I went to TASS and the old text was still standing. I have been following TASS and RIA for years, TASS is always the first to receive information. Well, not this time..
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Rodion_Romanovic Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:46 am
Azi wrote:Thank God! At first I thought it was a PR disaster for Russia but now it's a PR disaster for Ukraine. They have already said that the Moskva is at the bottom of the Black Sea.Serberus wrote:From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The Moskva will return to service, we don't know when, but I'm sure repairs will be made as soon as humanly possible.
Well, it was not planned for the ship to remain in service for many years anyway... Possibly it could be more sensible to make it a museum ships.
As far as the cruiser "ukraina", 10 years ago Russia was interested in this ship. I do not know in what condition is the hull now. I would imagine anyway that the AFU will try to destroy it before Nikolaev is taken
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