Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14

kvs wrote:

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Someone who claims that Azov is not a Nazi battalion has sent me a link that supposedly proofs that.
https://www.stopfake.org/uk/stara-pisnya-mizhnarodni-zmi-znov-zgaduyut-stari-fejki-pro-bataljon-azov-ta-neonatsizm-v-ukrayini/
Although I do not trust that person, I wonder what to reply to him.

Extolling of Stepan Bandera is the only evidence that is needed.   And Azov is not the only ones doing it.   Every so-called moderate
Ukr politician, academic and mass media member does this.  

Thats the penultimate argument. Would anyone accept the premise that a German far-right member is not a Nazi if he openly extolls the virtues of the Nazi Party and argues that Hitler is unfairly condemned by historians and popular culture?

No, of course they wouldn't. Same applies to the Banderites.

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

During the day, high-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 32 military assets of Ukraine.

Among them: 20 areas of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment concentration, 4 missile and artillery weapons depots near Slavyansk and Druzhkovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, the command and control post of the 105th Territorial Defence Battalion, and 2 artillery batteries.

Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 33 Ukrainian military facilities.

Among them: 23 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration.

Up to 200 nationalists, as well as more than 40 armoured vehicles, artillery mounts and cars, were destroyed.

1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Slavyansk and 3 ammunition and fuel depots near Volnoe Pole and Chervonnoe were also destroyed.

Missile troops and artillery carried out 100 firing missions during the day.

5 command posts Ukrainian troops, 81 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration, and 8 artillery batteries were hit.

2 multiple rocket launchers near Berezovka and 1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Komar were destroyed.

Russian air defence means shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Brazhkovka, Kolesnikovka, Komissarovka, Kozinka, Lozovaya and Lenina.

In total, 141 aircraft and 110 helicopters, 589 unmanned aerial vehicles, 272 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,588 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 292 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,124 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,403 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Man pretty slow day. Running out of targets or ammo?

Hinex1988 wrote:Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

During the day, high-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 32 military assets of Ukraine.

Among them: 20 areas of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment concentration, 4 missile and artillery weapons depots near Slavyansk and Druzhkovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, the command and control post of the 105th Territorial Defence Battalion, and 2 artillery batteries.

Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 33 Ukrainian military facilities.

Among them: 23 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration.

Up to 200 nationalists, as well as more than 40 armoured vehicles, artillery mounts and cars, were destroyed.

1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Slavyansk and 3 ammunition and fuel depots near Volnoe Pole and Chervonnoe were also destroyed.

Missile troops and artillery carried out 100 firing missions during the day.

5 command posts Ukrainian troops, 81 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration, and 8 artillery batteries were hit.

2 multiple rocket launchers near Berezovka and 1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Komar were destroyed.

Russian air defence means shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Brazhkovka, Kolesnikovka, Komissarovka, Kozinka, Lozovaya and Lenina.

In total, 141 aircraft and 110 helicopters, 589 unmanned aerial vehicles, 272 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,588 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 292 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,124 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,403 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

A ammo depot in the Belgorod region caught fire.


https://t.me/boris_rozhin/45349

par far wrote:A ammo depot in the Belgorod region caught fire.


https://t.me/boris_rozhin/45349

There was AA activity and explosions reported there and in Kursk region, as well.
Ammunition depot that was hit in Belgorod region is, relatively, close to the border, so maybe some long range arty systems
or Tochka is to blame.

More attacks on Belgorod. Russian leadership is wearing clown shoes, lol. They have threatened for a month that any attack on Russian soil would result in an attack on leadership structures in Kiev. Nothing has happened. No one is scared of attacking Russia now.

mnztr wrote:Man pretty slow day. Running out of targets or ammo?

Hinex1988 wrote:Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

During the day, high-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 32 military assets of Ukraine.

Among them: 20 areas of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment concentration, 4 missile and artillery weapons depots near Slavyansk and Druzhkovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, the command and control post of the 105th Territorial Defence Battalion, and 2 artillery batteries.

Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 33 Ukrainian military facilities.

Among them: 23 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration.

Up to 200 nationalists, as well as more than 40 armoured vehicles, artillery mounts and cars, were destroyed.

1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Slavyansk and 3 ammunition and fuel depots near Volnoe Pole and Chervonnoe were also destroyed.

Missile troops and artillery carried out 100 firing missions during the day.

5 command posts Ukrainian troops, 81 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration, and 8 artillery batteries were hit.

2 multiple rocket launchers near Berezovka and 1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Komar were destroyed.

Russian air defence means shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Brazhkovka, Kolesnikovka, Komissarovka, Kozinka, Lozovaya and Lenina.

In total, 141 aircraft and 110 helicopters, 589 unmanned aerial vehicles, 272 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,588 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 292 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,124 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,403 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

With all the arms being shipped in the answer is not targets.

ucmvulcan wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

par far wrote:A ammo depot in the Belgorod region caught fire.


https://t.me/boris_rozhin/45349

There was AA activity and explosions reported there and in Kursk region, as well.
Ammunition depot that was hit in Belgorod region is, relatively, close to the border, so maybe some long range arty systems
or Tochka is to blame.

Which is one of many reasons I would never have quit northeast Ukraine.  Kiev? Sure, you can tie down forces from Belarus, but northeast Ukraine leaves lots of Russian territory open to nuisance raids, sabotage, shelling, and drone strikes.

I still don't get how the **** did they let Bryansk drone attack to happen? That's like over 100 km from the border.

These are people with sympathy for Ukraine

And who are Ukrainians themselves

This is a big problem with those sabotage groups that national guard cannot control

The withdrawal from Sumy and Chernigov was wrong

The drones taking off from Sumy is different from taking off from Kiev

Were going to end up returning there, and it's going to be the same shit anyway

So why did they leave?

Donbass? They're moving slow through there too

So wtf?

If troops outran their supplies then strelkov is right

You can't invade Ukraine with less than 100,000 men

It's ridiculous

It's all insignificant, this arms depot and the 2 fuel depots they got on fire yesterday

Russian forces meanwhile seem to be taking out a lot more equipment, ammo and fuel every day

You guys just have to get used to the fact that there's a war on, and the enemy can and will strike back; they would be stupid not to attempt to do so. If you remove the psychological/prestige/whatever effect, that the West is obsessed about in regards to Russia, then the actual damage is of no consequence. The main thing is the preservation of manpower; fuel and ammo Russia can produce plenty of.

As for withdrawing forces from Chenigov, Sumy - well if it allows them to be concentrated and used to greater effect in surrounding/capitulating the Donbass grouping quicker - then it's worth it. Or would you prefer to pull those troops back out just to stop the ammo and fuel fires?

flamming_python wrote:It's all insignificant, this arms depot and the 2 fuel depots they got on fire yesterday

Russian forces meanwhile seem to be taking out a lot more equipment, ammo and fuel every day

You guys just have to get used to the fact that there's a war on, and the enemy can and will strike back; they would be stupid not to attempt to do so. If you remove the psychological/prestige/whatever effect, that the West is obsessed about in regards to Russia, then the actual damage is of no consequence. The main thing is the preservation of manpower; fuel and ammo Russia can produce plenty of.

As for withdrawing forces from Chenigov, Sumy - well if it allows them to be concentrated and used to greater effect in surrounding/capitulating the Donbass grouping quicker - then it's worth it. Or would you prefer to pull those troops back out just to stop the ammo and fuel fires?

They surround the areas and create Cauldrons which require a lot of troops. I agree that the number of troops assigned to this is a tad low but they are doing it without mobilization. I really do think some people here watch far too much Hollywood action movies and or a video game of some sort in what they consider is a proper way to engage in a war. I am seeing quite the moves that nobody does because everyone else just tries their best to level a country before they send troops in, while Russia is engaging a bit differently, not trying to destroy the country.

Some drone was shot down over Bryansk, possibly one in the Kursk region too.

That ammunition depot they talk about, "near Staraya Nelidovka" - where the hell is that? Can't see anything on a map that resembles one. There's an old poultry farm there, but that's it.

So hypothetically speaking, what will change if Russia will declare war on Ukraine? By all means, for most Ukrainians, it's already fight for survival

Regular wrote:So hypothetically speaking, what will change if Russia will declare war on Ukraine? By all means, for most Ukrainians, it's already fight for survival

What survival?

If they want to survive then fighting the Russian army is what they shouldn't try to do.

Otherwise no-one is threatening their homes, families or whatever. Their biggest problems are going to be food supplies, medicines, fuel; and the money to buy it - and then eventually power as w/o a functioning railway network to haul coal and disrupted gas supplies, their power plants will start to go down. There will be more marauders, looters, gangs, criminality. Admittedly it's quite a survival challenge, but it doesn't come from Russian soldiers and artillery.

What will change is no more gas/oil transit, but that looks to be stopping anyway. Maybe just some to Hungary still.

flamming_python wrote:It's all insignificant, this arms depot and the 2 fuel depots they got on fire yesterday

Russian forces meanwhile seem to be taking out a lot more equipment, ammo and fuel every day

You guys just have to get used to the fact that there's a war on, and the enemy can and will strike back; they would be stupid not to attempt to do so. If you remove the psychological/prestige/whatever effect, that the West is obsessed about in regards to Russia, then the actual damage is of no consequence. The main thing is the preservation of manpower; fuel and ammo Russia can produce plenty of.

As for withdrawing forces from Chenigov, Sumy - well if it allows them to be concentrated and used to greater effect in surrounding/capitulating the Donbass grouping quicker - then it's worth it. Or would you prefer to pull those troops back out just to stop the ammo and fuel fires?

They can call up some reserves and beef up security in border regions, around military and important civilian objects. Relocate some AA systems from more distant regions to ones closer to the border. We shouldn't have another Bryansk.

caveat emptor wrote:

flamming_python wrote:It's all insignificant, this arms depot and the 2 fuel depots they got on fire yesterday

Russian forces meanwhile seem to be taking out a lot more equipment, ammo and fuel every day

You guys just have to get used to the fact that there's a war on, and the enemy can and will strike back; they would be stupid not to attempt to do so. If you remove the psychological/prestige/whatever effect, that the West is obsessed about in regards to Russia, then the actual damage is of no consequence. The main thing is the preservation of manpower; fuel and ammo Russia can produce plenty of.

As for withdrawing forces from Chenigov, Sumy - well if it allows them to be concentrated and used to greater effect in surrounding/capitulating the Donbass grouping quicker - then it's worth it. Or would you prefer to pull those troops back out just to stop the ammo and fuel fires?

They can call up some reserves and beef up security in border regions, around military and important civilian objects. Relocate some AA systems from more distant regions to ones closer to the border. We shouldn't have another Bryansk.

They can and I hope they will but we have the whole of NATO looking for more weakspots in the hope of carrying out more Dolittle raids, that do little but demoralize. Because that's all they can do. And they will find them. It's going to be a constant battle. And you just have to accept that there will be more attacks, they may even damage something significant like a factory. There will be sabotage attempts around the country in general, arson and so on.

flamming_python wrote:

Regular wrote:So hypothetically speaking, what will change if Russia will declare war on Ukraine? By all means, for most Ukrainians, it's already fight for survival

What survival?

Well, this is what their propaganda is saying (shamelessly copying Soviet WW2 posters and turning them into Ukrainian ones)
To be honest, it wasn't clear at the start if Ukraine will exist.

What they believe - is that all of Ukraine will be like Mariupol and survivors will be deported and etc... According to them, 500k+ people were already sent to the far east. They believe this shit wholeheartedly.

Regular wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Regular wrote:So hypothetically speaking, what will change if Russia will declare war on Ukraine? By all means, for most Ukrainians, it's already fight for survival

What survival?

Well, this is what their propaganda is saying (shamelessly copying Soviet WW2 posters and turning them into Ukrainian ones)
To be honest, it wasn't clear at the start if Ukraine will exist.

What they believe - is that all of Ukraine will be like Mariupol and survivors will be deported and etc... According to them, 500k+ people were already sent to the far east. They believe this shit wholeheartedly.

No alternative but to


(someone needs to turn that into a Kalibr poster)

And hope they eventually come to their senses, when they realize who is being hit and who isn't.

Something was shot down (most likely drone) above Voronezh. That's pretty far from the border. They really need to bring more equipment. I get it that these attacks are pointless. But, letting drones get this deep in the territory of Russia makes for dangerous precedents.

caveat emptor wrote:Something was shot down (most likely drone) above Voronezh. That's pretty far from the border. They really need to bring more equipment. I get it that hese attacks are pointless. But, letting drones get this deep in the territory of Russia makes for dangerous precedents.

When the Donbass is done the Russian military will be able to move north and set up a sanitation zone

It's also important to get some EW involved, jam those remote-controlled transmissions or hijack them.

Some cheaper anti-aircraft missiles, 57mm AA guns with radar near every sensitive site. Anti-drone drones.

flamming_python wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Something was shot down (most likely drone) above Voronezh. That's pretty far from the border. They really need to bring more equipment. I get it that hese attacks are pointless. But, letting drones get this deep in the territory of Russia makes for dangerous precedents.

When the Donbass is done the Russian military will be able to move north and set up a sanitation zone

It's also important to get some EW involved, jam those remote-controlled transmissions or hijack them.

Some cheaper anti-aircraft missiles, 57mm AA guns with radar near every sensitive site. Anti-drone drones.

They should be able to bring some systems from Central Military District. It will be a good exercise in real war conditions for those troops.