Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14

ALAMO wrote:This chic posing a president looks terrified if you are asking me.
Like feeling that someone is mounting a fiesta she is not intending to participate with.
I still don't believe Ukros to be in a position to mount an operation against almost 20k defending forces, but as those warehouses are 2 km from the border, it might be some attempt to catch it.

Erk wrote:

mnztr wrote:At this point shouldn't leadership of Ukraine become targets? Zelensky is an impediment at this point and at least the minsters around him should be targets...I mean...this is a war right?

Putin needs Zelensky to sign the surrender documents, else the rest of Westworld, that have built up Zelensky, wont see the surrender as legitimate. Trouble is, if Zelensky signs a surrender, the neo-Nazi's will kill him.

caveat emptor wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Erk wrote:

mnztr wrote:At this point shouldn't leadership of Ukraine become targets? Zelensky is an impediment at this point and at least the minsters around him should be targets...I mean...this is a war right?

Putin needs Zelensky to sign the surrender documents, else the rest of Westworld, that have built up Zelensky, wont see the surrender as legitimate. Trouble is, if Zelensky signs a surrender, the neo-Nazi's will kill him.

Zelensky will be in Poland long before any of that. There will be no-one to sign any documents.

But with the president out of Kiev, the seat of power is also vacant. Russia can simply pretend that he still matters while in reality taking over all the apparatus of the state.

I hope that you are not advocating for total takeover of Ukraine? Imo, that would be a strategic mistake. Take east an south, territories that can be easily incorporated in Russia, cut Ukraine from Black Sea and leave rest to languish. You'll be left with a defeated and demoralized country of less than 20 million people and without most industrial, agricultural potential and commodities .

flamming_python wrote:

Erk wrote:

mnztr wrote:At this point shouldn't leadership of Ukraine become targets? Zelensky is an impediment at this point and at least the minsters around him should be targets...I mean...this is a war right?

Putin needs Zelensky to sign the surrender documents, else the rest of Westworld, that have built up Zelensky, wont see the surrender as legitimate. Trouble is, if Zelensky signs a surrender, the neo-Nazi's will kill him.

Zelensky will be in Poland long before any of that. There will be no-one to sign any documents.

But with the president out of Kiev, the seat of power is also vacant. Russia can simply pretend that he still matters while in reality taking over all the apparatus of the state.

zorobabel wrote:More attacks on Belgorod. Russian leadership is wearing clown shoes, lol. They have threatened for a month that any attack on Russian soil would result in an attack on leadership structures in Kiev. Nothing has happened. No one is scared of attacking Russia now.

ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Erk wrote:

mnztr wrote:At this point shouldn't leadership of Ukraine become targets? Zelensky is an impediment at this point and at least the minsters around him should be targets...I mean...this is a war right?

Putin needs Zelensky to sign the surrender documents, else the rest of Westworld, that have built up Zelensky, wont see the surrender as legitimate. Trouble is, if Zelensky signs a surrender, the neo-Nazi's will kill him.

Zelensky will be in Poland long before any of that. There will be no-one to sign any documents.

But with the president out of Kiev, the seat of power is also vacant. Russia can simply pretend that he still matters while in reality taking over all the apparatus of the state.

This whole mess has one main reason.
And it is Yanuk.
This mother*ker was too busy with keeping his stolen assets close to his arse, that hardly thought about the other things.
He could flee to Crimea or Donbas. Constitute a regime "in exile" and claim the unconstitutional coup in being.
Adress the army to take the arms and defend the constitution, and ask "friends and allies" for intervention - that makes the Russians.
A Kazach scenario, but in a bigger scale.
The whole thing would end up in a month, all the rats would flee EU, barking from there as long as they would have money left.
But no, and we have what we have - a close to 50k dead Ukrainians at the very moment, plus some 3-5k Russians.

Big_Gazza wrote:If Yanukovich had stayed in Ukraine he would have been assassinated by the Banderites.  The putsch regime controlled the military and the SBU - what good is having a bunch of politicans on your side if the bad guys have guns and are prepared to use them (like the sniper massacre in Maidan that killed ~100 people on both sides and led to the storming of the Rada?).

Nazis successfully seized control of Germany, and Bolshies took Russia, for the same basic reason.  They were prepared to use extreme political violence to intimidate their opponents to stay silent.  The Banderites were successful for the very same reasons - the Odessa massacre is a great example.

Big_Gazza wrote:If Yanukovich had stayed in Ukraine he would have been assassinated by the Banderites.  The putsch regime controlled the military and the SBU - what good is having a bunch of politicans on your side if the bad guys have guns and are prepared to use them (like the sniper massacre in Maidan that killed ~100 people on both sides and led to the storming of the Rada?).
Nazis successfully seized control of Germany, and Bolshies took Russia, for the same basic reason.  They were prepared to use extreme political violence to intimidate their opponents to stay silent.  The Banderites were successful for the very same reasons - the Odessa massacre is a great example.

Serberus wrote:

flamming_python wrote:The Kremlin already issued a warning about striking decision centres. The warning has been ignored. It doesn't mean Russia is idle. They will follow through on their threat when a target and opportunity presents itself. A big juicy one. And no-one will have any right to cry about it

Now I don't want to hear any more about the 'Kremlin looking weak', idle threats, not following through, etc... a schedule is not provided to you, of when and where Russia should strike.

What should be fixed and immediately so however, are the anti-drone defenses in these territories. Crater any air defenses in neighbouring Ukrainian regions, and conduct air patrols for early warning and shoot-downs if necessary.

You can hide under your pillow if you want to ignore the truth, but the simple matter of it is, if you threaten to do something several times, and your enemy not only continues as before but ramps up attacks and also continues to attack civilians , yet to fail to retaliate each and every time and only continue with more threats, you sure as hell end up looking weak and indecisive.

I think the withdrawal from the border areas RA held in the north east that connected them all the way down to Donbas and Kharkov was a mistake. They could have been easily defended , provided a buffer, and set up AD to deal with this shit before they even reached the Russian border.

Serberus wrote:
I think the withdrawal from the border areas RA held in the north east that connected them all the way down to Donbas and Kharkov was a mistake. They could have been easily defended , provided a buffer, and set up AD to deal with this shit before they even reached the Russian border.