Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14

I wish we had details of air to air and sead engagements. Lot of experience for russian pilots. And lot of intel too concerning NATO stuff.

Rumour is that Romania will attack transnistria and Poland will flood the western Ukraine with its own soldiers to annexe it.

Pretty funny.

Two kinzhal are for sure already armed with nuks riggt now and waiting for the dumbest move ever made.

Levi
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I treat this with scepticism - but still interesting

According to available information, the elite of Nikolaev,businessmen, politicians, fellow bandits, are negotiating with the Russian side on the bloodless surrender of the city.
Nobody wants to repeat the example of Mariupol

Levi
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They ask for guarantees for the preservation of assets, business and participation in the political life of the city.
There is a bargaining going on, while guarantees will not be provided to Kim, a different fate will await him.

Again, I treat this with scepticism

This twitter account is the best to follow. I really wonder if the jewish name is real or just being sarcastic.

Levi
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The Indonesian President claims that Putin plans to attend the G20 summit, Bloomberg reported.

That would be the greatest troll ever

Holly fuk, a reality called Jihad Julian

https://t.me/intelslava/27248

Stealthflanker wrote:
We invited -Both- Zelensky and Putin.  So it's gonna be lit.

Wonder what Zelensky is going to do at G20 summit? Guard the coats or something? Then keep the wallets with you!

And what would be the reason for Putin to waste his time on a puppet?

flamming_python wrote:

Hole wrote:

A Shilka!

Hope that's the LDNR military and not the Russian one

There is no excuse for operating something that ancient in the age of Tunguskas, Pantsirs, BMPTs and Zu-23-2s mounted on trucks

Buriats inside
Not that there are none in the republican ranks

Nice to see Kh-59 at work Smile I wonder how many were produced so far?

Those are Kh-29T TV guided missiles.

That was the whole point the US's abortive OICW program. They figured out a timed explosive grenade launcher was highly useful. But they could never get the cost down to make the thing viable.

The most expensive part was a super precise timing circuit that was in the fuse in the grenade which made each grenade ridiculously expensive.

Soviet solution for their underbarrel grenade launchers was a small charge in the nose that blows the grenade back up into the air where the main charge explodes.

The difference in performance is significant... ground burst explosions tend to create leg and lower body wounds which need attention but are rarely life threatening... airburst grenades create head and upper body wounds which are often life threatening.

There have only been a few kh-59 and kh-35 strikes on ground targets in this war. There are zero kh-69, kh-38, grom glide bombs, drel guided cluster munition glide bombs, KAB-50, KAB-250, LMUR, Hermes or any new Russian guided air launched munition. It's absolutely pathetic. Meanwhile NATO has JSOW, SLAM ER, Taurus KEPD, Kongsberg NSM, and Brimstone in regular use since 2010.

How on earth would you know what they are or are not using?

We have seen photos of the new version of BUK with six launch tubes per TEL and above has been mentioned the use of smart anti armour mines that attack specific vehicles with an air launched top attack munition... so why would they not be trying their new aircraft delivered type weapons?

It's especially stupid to see no Hermes or LMUR being used instead of Russian helicopters having to launch S-8 rockets and Su-34s having to fly on top of targets.

Rockets are used for area targets like dispersed troops where precision is worse than useless unless you want to hit each person with an ATGM and that becomes just silly.

Hermes and LMUR and other guided weapons would be used for point targets... firing points like MG or sniper positions, or armoured vehicles like tanks or IFVs or artillery vehicle like 2S1 or 2S3 or BUK or OSA... AD vehicles.

Cannon and rockets would be used for area targets like troops dispersed, or enemy fire coming from positions... rockets and cannon fire would suppress enemy fire while you leave at low altitude.

I believe the fact that the Su-34s have only 2 kh-29s, when they can carry 8 of them, shows that Russians severely lack reserves of even these 80s tech missiles and have to ration them out in tiny amounts.

Real war is not a video game, you generally have a specific target you are dealing with... often a vehicle or group of vehicles or a firing position is giving ground forces grief and so they call in aircraft who use radar and the coordinates to point the TV seeker of the missile, in this case Kh-29T to zoom in and find the target... and then the missile is launched... the aircraft would likely then turn around and head away for a bit and then come around again and repeat again except for the launch... zooming in and locking on the target again will give them a really close in view of the target and most of the time the target would be obliterated.

317kgs of shaped charge HE will destroy most targets with one shot, so it is very unlikely a second shot would be needed... they might respond to ground forces asking for another target to be engaged or they might return to base with the missile to use another time... in real combat I am sure they would find a use for the other Kh-29T.

2. Still you never see Su-34 in full bomb truck mode, not here, not in Syria, even though we know it is well capable of it (with four MERs of 6-9 bombs each etc, documented) and there is certainly no shortage of that particular type of ordnance.

I have seen enormous numbers of images of F-16s in combat and taking off in a war zone on missions and I have never seen one operational with its full capacity of 7 tons of ordinance... ever... simply because the performance penalty such a load would inflict on the aircraft... reduced speed and reduced range and seriously reduced power to weight ratio and manouver performance... it would become a dog in the air.

Must add, regarding the above, that even Tupolevs launching strikes in Syria did so with very limited ordnance, far below capacity. And on occasion you'd even see a Su-35 armed with like four FAB-100s only, looks totally mad at a first glance.

It is normal.... most sorties have specific objectives and the fact that modern aiming systems and modern missiles are so effective there is no need to carry enormous numbers of them unless the enemy has mounted an enormous attack and you need to blunt that attack...

Russia is one building the inflated reputation of these drones with this behaviour

They are what they are... a good system for very poor countries to get the sort of strike capacity that richer countries have, but being unmanned these things are terribly vulnerable because they generally have no situational awareness at all and little means to defend themselves... they are like cruise missiles in the sense that it is hard to spot them or know they are there but once you do know they are there they are easy to bring down being subsonic and not trying to evade enemy fire at all.

They need to be in swarm quantities to be useful against a modern air defence network and even then a tactical nuke or some EW system could probably still deal with them anyway.

Many drones are not even very cheap... most big American systems cost more than most Russian fighters.

Gepard can be used effectively to combat russian helicopters, drones and especially infantry, including lightly armored vehicles.

Except Gepard uses radar which makes it easy to find and its 35mm guns reach out to about 3-4km while Russian helicopters carry a range of anti tank missiles with Vikhr for example reaching 10km targets, but even the simplest cheapest Shturm and Ataka have 10 times more penetration than they would need to defeat the Gepard, and being radio command guided the helicopter that launches them can fly around in a random pattern while the missiles streak to their target at supersonic speed...

Putting Ukrainian soldiers into German armoured vehicles just makes them easier to see and easier to kill... so keep it up.

U ve to operate with Gepard then u would understand what beast it is. Tunguska is hopelessly outmatched by Gepard

Obviously someone who has never seen Tunguska... two twin barrel cannon firing 2,500 rpm with a 30 x 165mm cannon shell... but also with 8 surface to air missiles that use command guidance that can't be stopped by DIRCMS or Flares or Chaff and can reach 8km in their early models and 10km in the later versions which outranges most western helicopters anti armour weapons means Tunguska... even from the 1980s is vastly superior to the Gepard.

Do they even have Gepards in service these days?

Clearly posted om MoA by a Slovac who is a wee bit confused regarding history.

And confused with reality too.

While plans are at an early stage, a report from the agency suggests that Polish troops may enter Ukraine’s western regions for ‘peacekeeping’ purposes. The Polish troops would not act under a NATO mandate, the report says, but rather as part of a ‘coalition of the willing’.

They better clear it with Moscow first of those Polish troops crossing the border might be seen as more foreign volunteers and be calibrated...

These proposals would restore much of the territory Poland had following its recreation in the aftermath of the First World War.

Translation... these proposals seek to recreate the theft of Russian territory just over 100 years ago that occured after the end of WWI.

Sounds like the US is anticipating the disintegration of the Ukraine and wants to save bits for HATO... sort of the reverse of Hitler and Stalin dividing up the country just before the GPW started.

As for western Ukraine. I believe in what Naryshkin said. The question is did Putin say about "lightning fast" response to this stuff? or it's another way around. It is advantegeus fo r Russia to get rid of Ukro-nazi breeding grounds and assimilate the remaining recoverable parts?

Well it would be interesting... there is no way Poland could send troops into any part of the Ukraine without Russian permission, which means the US and Poland would have to clear it with Russia first and essentially if they did so they would be saying to the whole world that the US and Poland accept they have lost the rest of the Ukraine and will take this portion into their care moving forward... depending on the boundaries they agree to of course...

Russia could have some real fun with that...

It might be vulnerable to UAF 2s7 pions, since they seem to have inherited more than Russia did

Coalition has a range of about 20km greater than the 2S7 Pion... which can only reach about 50km.

What proof is there that the hermes is in service and in substantial numbers?

It was used in Syria in test batches... I would think it would be in production now... but information like the service status of such operational weapons is secret.

They don't need Hermes to kill enemy armour... Vikhr and Ataka are potent enough as it is... Khrisantema is probably overkill in terms of penetration performance.

By pgms I was talking about air launched light cruise missiles and heavy glide bombs with 50-500km range. The vikhr isnt that. We haven't seen the kh-38 or kh-69 being used too. These weapons would be more useful than expensive kalibr.

We really don't know what is being used at all, and Kalibr is a conventionally armed missile that is intended for this sort of conflict.

A conflct with HATO would involve the Kh-102s and the nuclear armed Kalibrs which are likely sitting waiting to be called up if needed.

And s8 is great, especially if theyl be using GEPARD and Starstreak for SHORADS

A su24 with svp 24 will be fine against that

S-8 would be risky against Gepard or Starstreak but with SVP24 some 250kg bombs dropped from 10km altitude would easily take out Gepards and Starstreaks and there would be nothing they could do in response except roll out a BUK or S-300 which could then be engaged too.

Ukrainian Presidential advisor Arestovych: "A great many soldiers, let's say, the particularly hesitant ones, have begun to overload their families with messages like 'it's over'. ... For those who are despondent, I want to show the example of our defenders of Mariupol."

Is the cool aide not working any more...

Rumour is that Romania will attack transnistria and Poland will flood the western Ukraine with its own soldiers to annexe it.

And what will those two countries do if their forces on foreign territory get hit by Russian weapons... you can't claim article 5 if you are invading another country...

And what would be the reason for Putin to waste his time on a puppet?

Talk to the US or there is no point. They are the ones in charge (and also the ones to blame of course).