Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14

Arkanghelsk wrote:



Западные источники сообщают о том, что на Украине российскими войсками началось боевое применение противотанковой противокрышевой мины ПТКР-1М

According to western sources , MOD has begun use of the PTKR 1M mine

This is top attack, nice cheap solution to the javelin system

Very good to see this being used, mine all approaches that we need blocked off

Probably a sales pitch for the Javelin by creating the impression that it is so very destructive that Russians were forced to devise Javelin specific counter measures low cost alternatives. There is no credible evidence that Western ATGMs were all that successful.

Ukrainians are mostly using indigenous ATGMs not Javelin or N-LAWs. This proves western ATGMs are nowhere as effective as they were advertised to be.

ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

That looks like the same Ka-52 ATGM shootdown from a month ago

They are running out of content.
Video games screenshots will be the next step for Mr. Lee.

Mr. Lee is reduced to a cheap propaganda whore.

Doubt he's pleased about it. But hey that's his bank cheque now

Another day, another downed tb2. Inb4 they'll say it's the same one as before.















https://t.me/razved_dozor/1049

Bonus photo. Last picture from the downed ASU-1 Valkyrja.

https://t.me/wargonzo/6819

2 atgm strikes on ukr positions in avdeevka. A couple of wounded managed to get away.

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision Onyx missiles near Odessa have destroyed a hangar at a military airfield with arms and ammunition from the US and European countries, as well as the runway.

High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have hit 7 Ukrainian military assets.

Among them: 4 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 3 missile-artillery weapons and ammunition depots near Beryozovoye in the Donetsk People's Republic, Slatino and Barvenkovo, Kharkov Region.

Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed 2 Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems near Zaporozhye and Artemovsk.  

2 ammunition and fuel depots near Privolnoe and Shevchenko in Zaporozhye Region have been hit, as well as 15 strong points and areas of manpower and equipment concentration.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 140 nationalists and up to 19 Ukrainian armoured vehicles.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 786 areas of concentration of AFU manpower and military equipment, 24 command posts and 3 misiile-artillery weapons and ammunition depots near Grushevaha during the day.  

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 200 Ukrainian military personnel and up to 20 units of military equipment.

Russian air defence means have shot down 2 Su-24m bombers of the Ukrainian Air Force near Petrovskoe, Kharkov Region.

Also during the night, 12 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Mezhevaya, Novobogdanovka, Mirograd, Shirokaya Balka, Priyutnoe, Torskoe, Staromykhailovskaya, Balakleya and Khartsizsk.

2 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles have been shot down over Tokmak, Zaporozhye Region.

2 Ukrainian Smerch rockets have been also shot down over Semenovka, Kharkov Region.

In total, 145 aircraft and 112 helicopters, 672 unmanned aerial vehicles, 281 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,703 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 312 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,203 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,514 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

limb wrote:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/46062

Colonelcassad is making excuses about why popasnaya is so difficult to take. Like 90% of his excuses are "muh 8 years of trenches" and "it's a strategic town". In the comments he's getting clowned on. Patriotic commenters are calling for "degenerals" who don't use precision airstrikes, care more about human shields than their own soldiersrd and don't use flanking attacks to be put on tribunal.

I don't know who you are or if you a troll, but let's set the things straight.

Cassad doesn't make any excuses, the report is from somebody else.

Rozhin is a civilian like me , but I do have an extensive knowledge of artillery and bombs on the technical side and what they can achieve and what not. The reasons for the difficulty in taking those fortified towns are obvious to me, even more so to a trained military professional.

Cannon shells and aerial bombs only make holes in the ground proportional to their size. The depth of cratering is well known thanks to historical experience. Unfortunately if the defenders dig deep enough or pour enough concrete, it's easy to make bomb-proof bunkers. You don't even need concrete to dig deep dugouts able to withstand the heaviest field artillery. Today we have more 15 cm heavy guns than in both world wars thanks to tracked shelf propelled chassis, but even the heaviest 20 cm cannon (the Pion) are not enough to crack those bunkers.

Also, historical experience shows that 90% plus of the artillery shelling is wasted. It causes craters all over the place, but it's pure chance that a shell hits inside a simple dug trench, and even traverses limit the damage. Trenches are notoriously difficult to "plow" with artillery. To eliminate bunkers and pillboxes you need direct hits. This is why the only thing that works is direct fire with tank guns (12 cm caliber), or even better self propelled artillery (15cm), we don't have assault guns anymore like the ISU-152, so as in Azovstal, when the T-64 or T-72 gun rounds are not enough you have to use a self propelled 15 cm in direct fire.

Bunkers might be destroyed with antitank missiles, but these are in short supply and the captured Javelins and LAWs are not enough for these. Shaped charges can penetrate a lot of concrete but are only useful against small pillboxes , at any rate their warheads are smaller than the 125 mm tank run and expose the firer.

Aerial bombs could destroy those bunkers, but simply jets can't deliver bombs with the accuracy needed, only direct hits suffice. Even the WWII dive bombers were ineffective against bunkers. The Stuka strikes at Sedan in 1940 against French bunkers failed. Most of the pillboxes were silenced by direct fire by tank guns and 88 Flak guns.

Not even the Americans could destroy those bunkers with GPS guided bombs, the accuracy is not enough, is less than a Stuka. They could blow up buildings with JDAM bombs, but hitting a pillbox is not guaranteed.

What other precision strikes are available? Laser guided Krasnopol rounds? it may hit the bunker but the shell is not heavy enough.

Popasnaya, Maryinka and Avdeyevka are so hard to take because the Russian command doesn't throw in infantry groups to assault the fortifications with flamethrowers and hand grenades, like it was done at Verdun, Stalingrad or Iwo Jima. There are no troops for it, nor the will to spend hundreds of casualties, the prize is not worth the cost.

They slowly gnaw through it, but the enemy also fights and keeps throwing new troops to relieve and reinforce the garrison of those places. Sometimes it even counterattacks and recovers loss ground, as in Maryinka. The difficulty is not in actually taking ground, but in holding it.

Infantry can't assault those places without paying hundreds of dead and wounded. Tanks and armor can't blast away the bunkers because in the streets they are easy prey for antitank missiles and RPGs. Coordination of artillery, airstrikes, infantry and armor it's very difficult for a ragtag army as the militias are. No Russian regulars here. Perhaps there's more success in Popasnaya because professionals from "Wagner" group are involved, but from the ground it seems that the town is easier than Avdeyevka.


Those places are not impregnable. It's just that there's no will to accept enough casualties to take them, so instead they are gnawed piece by piece until the enemy has enough and gives up some ground. I don't know what's going on there, but I can figure it out what's likely to be happening. And my educated guess is that, despite the inefficacy of the bombardment, holding on those places absorbs entire battalions and a constant attrition of casualties, as historical experience shows. Troops in the dugouts maybe safe from the bombardment, but sentries and food parties and stretcher bearers are exposed and have to run the gauntlet of shelling, as well as reliefs.

I think the Russian command is acting correctly to save the lives of their soldiers, the places should not be attacked at all, but pressure on them commits enemy formations and reserves and is a mill for the Ukrainians. We got confirmation of my guess, a few days ago the Times military correspondent reports that the Ukries have lost two brigades defending the Peski line.

I don't know if the Ukrops have thousands of men inside Maryinka or Adveyevka, Popasnaya as some have claimed, I don't believe it, but given the size at least a few battallions are there and having them worn out and rotated out resulting in hundreds and even low thousands of casualties after weeks to hold on those fortified places is highly likely to be happening. It's frustrating that they cannot be stormed but the attrition goes into the Russian favour, and the fixing of troops needed elsewhere helps the advances in other places.

This applies in more or less degree to all the fortified places the Ukrops hold. Historically fortifications used to be a way of economizing troops, but trench warfare experience shows that holding defensive lines under sustained shelling is actually a blood letting drain on resources. In the end any fortification is only as strong as the defenders that man its ramparts.

Ispan wrote:

Rozhin is a civilian like me , but I do have an extensive knowledge of artillery and bombs on the technical side and what they can achieve and what not. The reasons for the difficulty in taking those fortified towns are obvious to me, even more so to a trained military professional.

Thank you, one of the best posts yet.

Right! That explains why Russians are fighting with T 64 in Ukraine.

Would only be captured ones and likely passed on to DNR if they did.

What do Yankee fight with? It's been a while

Words mostly and they win by never listening to any responses....

Also, if Russian secret and security services **** up this (even if they never had such massive **** ups) then paraphrasing Papa - Russia doesn't deserve this event. No one is forcing them to have Victory parade, people would understand if it would be postponed this year, it serves very little compared to the risks.

Some things are hard to predict without warning, but this sort of thing would be expected with drones already being used in south america to try to kill leaders so it is not a surprise... and capturing those responsible and getting them into a court of law to testify would be very very interesting...

Colonelcassad is making excuses about why popasnaya is so difficult to take. Like 90% of his excuses are "muh 8 years of trenches" and "it's a strategic town". In the comments he's getting clowned on. Patriotic commenters are calling for "degenerals" who don't use precision airstrikes, care more about human shields than their own soldiersrd and don't use flanking attacks to be put on tribunal.

There's also some jokes about how every shit hole little unknown provincial town or village the the Russian army takes weeks to take will be called the "next stalingrad" or "fortress"

It is a heavy responsibility being such a gifted armchair general as those asshats... time is not important there is no ball the Russian soldiers have to get to in time to meet their princesses... they can take as long as they need.... keeping themselves safe and making sure the enemy has no escape are the only two things they need to care about.

Whiny people on the internet who have decided in their expert opinion that this is all taking to long can go **** themselves... volunteer and go to teh front and speed things up by leading each attack with your bayonette... that will not fix things but it will shut you little girls up.

Its just surprising that passing information to the FSB is not as convenient compared to the Chinese state security bureau.

Here, you can see that a form is readily available for any informant to fill up to report NATzO troop movements and other clandestine operations directed against Chinese targets.

Just shows the Chinese want more help doing their job... which is sensible when it is necessary.

I rather suspect the west leaks like a sieve however with disillusioned people working in western intel and finding all the real shit the west gets up to and realising they are on the wrong side and that the best thing to do is make sure the west does not win most of the time because the west is evil.

And the militaries have no need for internet intel. They are using tools you can only dream of. Monitoring social networks is done mostly to monitoring the public and its feelings toward the war or in general which is very usefull for them.

They might read it to gauge the effectiveness of their propaganda but most of the time they would use it to put out more shit and lies and try to divide their opponents, like setting of Indian members against Chinese members and Russians against Chinese and Indians... sort of like Jhelb and Walle do... except they would be getting paid to do it...

There is no need to have CIA glow-hurreps on every person, AI is doing fine harvesting data to the point that it can detect the same person by writing style.

Which is why I never post when I am sober...

The problem is that Russia has never directly attacked or struck against the West. Not even when the West has attacked Russia. For a Western tit against Russia there has never been a Russian tat in response.

Russia is not interested in a fight... any attacks by the west simply confirm that the future of Russia is not aligned with the west as a partner or anything else.

Soviet Union did not retaliate when the West trained and armed the Afghan mujahideen against the Soviets.

The Soviets armed and supported Vietnam and Cuba... though obviously it was the Vietnamese and Cuban people who did the hard bit... the actual fighting...

Russia did not retaliate when the West economically plundered Russia in the 1990s.

They weren't in a position to hit back, but their response was to grow up and lift themselves up to the point now where they can cut themselves off from the west has been their best possible response to all the bullshit you list.

When the West invaded Afghanistan in 2001 Russia did not arm and train Taliban but instead HELPED the West by providing Russia's railways for NATO military cargo.

The Afghanistan they invaded was not an ally to Russia... Russia helped the west because they genuinely thought they might make a positive difference there like the Soviets tried in the 1980s building roads and schools and houses and hospitals.

The US didn't really do much of that and just raided houses at 3am and filled guantanimo bay with children and people they picked up and didn't know what to do with.

Russia did not retaliate when Turkey shot down Russian military jet in Syria.

The economic sanctions Russia imposed on Turkey led to much better relations than shooting down a Turkish plane could ever have accomplished.

A sad fact is that Russia has not shown neither willingness or ability to retaliate when Russia itself or a Russian ally is attacked. The West knows this. And the Kremlin also must know this.

Russia has shown weakness after weakness.

Russia has been smart and not fought battles it could not win... most of the things the west has done has backfired... Libya is broken and haemoraghing assylum seekers into Europe, Syria is stronger than it has ever been in terms of air defence and fighting terrorists, Iraq is currently more pro Iran than pro US and Irans position with oil and gas looks better and better every day while Saudi Arabia seems to be talking with Russia more than the US.
Russia got Crimea back too which is enormous... only a US blunder could have created that situation, for which Russia and Crimea are no doubt grateful.

Further US pressure is transforming the Ukraine into something Russia will be happy to live next to and the Ukrainians will be happier too no doubt.

The core mistake of the west is mistaking the lack of knee jerk violent reaction from Putin as being a weakness.

Russia sourced most of its food from the EU... an enormous lever of control that Putin broke with retalitory sanctions.... other control levers have been broken since but the west still needs Russian energy supplies and materials.

Think of the Navalny thing a couple of years ago. Russia handed Navalny to Germany like Russia was some kind of a slave to Germany. Would Germany have done the same if roles were reversed. Of course not. Russia might have tried to appease Germany and show goodwill then, but Germany saw that as weakness and nothing else

Nah... a 5th column stooge wanting to leave the country... why stop him?

Sad he didn't stay in Germany but he was an arsehole and so they didn't want him either...

Russia was caught its pants down in 2014 Maidan coup. Russia had no assets in Ukraine to fight back against the Western backed revolution and was left standing in the sidelines.

They scooped up the Crimea... I would say they came out overjoyed... there was no other way of the Crimea joining Russia really.

The sanctions from the Ukraine and EU and US over the US coup gradually weaned Russia away from the west from food imports from the EU to engines and propulsion systems and transport aircraft from the Ukraine...

Russia is just about sorted itself with new engines and propulsion system either finalising testing or in serial production...

Yes, Russia grabbed Crimea (which was great!) but then again showed weakness in Donbass. Places like Mariupol, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk were for the grabs then, but Putin decided to stop the Donbass rebels from taking them. Maybe even Kharkov could have been taken then if Russia got involved militarily.

But Crimea was Russian and the rest is Ukrainian.

Russia had no more business interfering than the UK or US did... not that it stopped the west from interfering of course.

After 8 years of not fulfilling Minsk Russia had enough and are now dealing with the problem.

The Orcs are stronger, but they seem to be dealing with them efficiently and easily enough... the Russian military is also much stronger too as is their economy and ability to survive any sanctions the west wants to attack them with up to an including cutting off energy purchases...

As for the current war, Russia has drawn "red lines" but has done nothing when those red lines have been crossed.

The current war is sort of a response to the west ignoring red lines isn't it?

Before the war started Putin threatened the West with grave consequences if the West interfered. The West started to pour weapons to Ukraine and again Russia did nothing.

HATO guarantees are in tatters and destroying western weapons and foreign mercs and also killing lots and lots of Ukrainian soldiers isn't nothing...

Quite literally grave consequences really.

Then Russia threatened to take out "decision making" centers in Kiev if Ukraine continues to attack Russian territory. Well, the attacks continued but Russia left Kiev regime intact.

Their results tally often includes HQs in Kiev and other locations... how would you know what they have or have not taken out.

Of course so far the tactics of the Orcs has been relatively predictable so why eliminate the political leadership... never interrupt an enemy when they are making mistakes...

Considering the recent history the West is correct not to take Russia's threats seriously. If the West manages to kill Russian leadership Russia will again do nothing but complain.

The west clearly does not understand that this is it... Putin is done with the west and Russia is going to reorient itself to the rest of the world for trade and growth and future development.

Finland and Sweden can join HATO... Russia will likely withdraw their diplomats from Europe and close european embassies in Russia... there is no point talking to any part of the west except the US, and even then there wont be a lot to talk about anyway.

The West knows that if it manages to take out Russian leadership Russia will not respond in any kind.

And they are right.

First of all any attempt to kill Russians remembering the Great Patriotic War and their victory over the Nazis will almost certainly result in direct attacks against countries involved... an attempt to decapitate the leadership of Russia would no doubt result in an immediate response in kind... which isn't really fair as killing Micron and Bojo and that German guy and Biden and Morrison and Horse Face still isn't as big a loss for the world that losing Putin would represent but then who says they would be any more successful at killing Putin this time... how many times have they tried before....

The west are as incompetent as they are stupid... which is to say very very very incompetent.

Almost like they try to fail.

Well withdrawing air support in Afghanistan three months before withdrawing ground forces is failing on purpose.

Yes, not only European too. Most of the world dances for a dollar. Still.

Seized Euros and Dollars makes such currencies less appealing internationally...

Russia did not strike Tbilisi even once during the South Ossetian war, didn't even fly close to it.

Too many ties eaten... high polyester count in his blood stream...

This seems like a very low tempo of operations, especially for air and missiles.

Lack of targets?

Keeping assets ready for any counter attacks or surprise attacks from mobile units.

That looks like the same Ka-52 ATGM shootdown from a month ago

An ATGM hit would explain why the DIRCMs didn't save it... and the thin plasma beam of an ATGM wouldn't devastate a target like a HE warhead would but could certainly create the situation for a forced landing...

So why don't the West just go ahead and take out the Russian leadership immediately? Considering what you have written, this would be the easiest thing for them to do right?

They have parades all the time and Putin attends the May Day parades so a drone attack could have been tried multiple times... we all know how super devastating western drones are... game changers and war winners... ask the Taliban and the Houthies.

Probably a sales pitch for the Javelin by creating the impression that it is so very destructive that Russians were forced to devise Javelin specific counter measures. There is no credible evidence that Western ATGMs were all that successful.

This is not a new weapon... the Russians had top attack anti tank munitions for their cluster bombs and rocket and tube artillery since the mid 1980s and in 1996 they updated the munitions to add IR sensors to the MMW radar detectors so that it would only hit vehicles with running engines that were not already on fire...

Ukrainians are mostly using indigenous ATGMs not Javelin or N-LAWs. This proves western ATGMs are nowhere as effective as they were advertised to be.

Javelin is a very niche weapon that is not the all power destroyer of tanks it is claimed to be... and it is too expensive for what it is.

They think the fire and forget capability is amazing but Kornet has better penetration and much better speed and no one is going to spot the launcher 6 to 8 km away in the middle of combat... and you can buy 1,000 Kornet missiles for the price of one Javelin missile and launcher.

Ironically the NLAW and Javelin will be very useful for the DNR because hitting fixed bunkers is easy with such weapons... it is just really inefficient to use such weapons on such targets but when they are free...

Thank you, one of the best posts yet.

Very much agree... many in the west think air power can do anything... just look at the history of the flak towers in Berlin... they were hit by the allies and the Soviets...

Looks like a significant number of civilians have finally left Azovstal (around 70 so far reported)
According to one of them, they estimate around 300 left.
I doubt the Nazis came to their senses, hopefully whatever deal was offered to them to let the civilians go, didn’t include them escaping justice.

Also Belgorod hit again

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/4026

https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/60026

Donations pooring in

gun trucks!

Serberus wrote:
Also something burning in Belgorod again
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/4026

Saw one report of a helo down in the area (unconfirmed)

There were apparently Russian helos patrolling above the city prior to the fire, according to this
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/4028

I geolocated it to the tiny village of Kozychevo.

One woman was filming from Kalinino in the direction of Kozychevo, and it's fairly close as it's audible, and there is nothing except that village in that direction for miles.

There was a near-simultaneous small private house fire in the town Bykovka, but that seems like a shashlyk party gone wrong (it's a holiday after all). Some people mixed up the two though.

Anyway, there is nothing on available (outdated, naturally) satellite photos that suggest anything of importance in Kozychevo. It's a few dachas and a farm.

So question is what is burning so ferociously and loud.

Some impromptu ammo depot that was attacked? Or something big that was shot down?

edit: RU MoD says "an object on the territory of the MoD caught fire", and locals say it sounded like an MLRS barrage hitting.

So, I suppose it's the former then. Old farm repurposed as an ammo depot, and possibly the Ukrainians were tipped off about it. It's a bit less than 20km from the UA border.

edit2: Authorities say one local received light injuries.

Ammo depot was shown burning in Belgorod. It is, roughly, to the north west of the city

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Serberus wrote:
Also something burning in Belgorod again
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/4026

Saw one report of a helo down in the area (unconfirmed)

There were apparently Russian helos patrolling above the city prior to the fire, according to this
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/4028

I geolocated it to the tiny village of Kozychevo.

One woman was filming from Kalinino in the direction of Kozychevo, and it's fairly close as it's audible, and there is nothing except that village in that direction for miles.

There was a near-simultaneous small private house fire in the town Bykovka, but that seems like a shashlyk party gone wrong (it's a holiday after all). Some people mixed up the two though.

Anyway, there is nothing on available (outdated, naturally) satellite photos that suggest anything of importance in Kozychevo. It's a few dachas and a farm.

So question is what is burning so ferociously and loud.

Some impromptu ammo depot that was attacked? Or something big that was shot down?

edit: RU MoD says "an object on the territory of the MoD caught fire", and locals say it sounded like an MLRS barrage hitting.

So, I suppose it's the former then. Old farm repurposed as an ammo depot, and possibly the Ukrainians were tipped off about it. It's a bit less than 20km from the UA border.

edit2: Authorities say one local received light injuries.

I edited my post since and added another video in which secondaries  can be seen going off, so most likely an ammo depot, and as you said it has since been confirmed that its a MOD facility. Doubt only one injured  looking at the scale.

Update: State of emergency appears to have been enacted in Belgorod region

Something serious is brewing, well the whole war KS serious

But it has been marked by chapters of increasing seriousness

Thus far 50k of VSU has been eliminated, in KIA, MIA, POW, WIA status

Another 50,000 remain in the donbass and are being consumed

There's no way to relieve them, and NATO is sending equipment to build some kind of army in the west, although not sure what kind of army as Ukraine is running out of reserves to mobilize

So we have this:

The British Ministry of Defense has reportedly seen indications that Russian President Putin is preparing a Statement for May 9th during the Victory Parade in Moscow, which its expected a General Mobilization and a Declaration of War against Ukraine will be declared.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10766541/Ben-Wallace-predicts-Russia-use-parade-9-announce-mass-mobilisation-population.html

So just as the west "predicted" Z day February 24, by provoking the SMO ,

They will predict mobilization and war declaration by another massive provocation which we are aware of and MOD has spoken about for years

In a way I expect something to occur at the parade that all sides are aware of, and noone tries to stop because of inertia and self belief in own response to the movements on the chessboard

So the British Americans will provoke, most likely mobilization and war will be declared,

But NATO is underestimating something,  as it did in Donetsk and Mariupol

For one, it could be NATO plans to invade Transnistria and enter western Ukraine itself

On the other hand, Putin is ready to use tactical battlefield nuclear arms to eliminate this threat

As the offensive in Donetsk continues, Arestovich already is saying that it's part of the plan, theyl bleed us for 2 months,

And by Mid June barbarossa 2 will be in fullswing..full swing...

Well it's a half truth, we know VSU is low on manpower, but we are not sure of the NATO spearhead forces being formed close to our border

I'm sure mobilization will mean we can push NATO to the Seine with tactical strikes and huge offensives

We will see how the develops as the prelude to WW3 is set

One thing is for sure, both sides are taking measures

And if the British feel they can predict mobilization and war declaration

Then we know the provocation is coming

There is new technology , and there is old technology . Bunker warfare is from WWI ! So how to use modern tech to defeat Bunker ? Well use Drones , both the flying type and the wheeled type , to deliver a standard grenade into open port - hole or firing hole . Small UCAV or ground vehicle , carried in a back - pack . No need for planes or missiles or bunker- busters or laser guidance or sat-nav . Every Bunker needs a door , at least , and most need port- holes . Most Ukraine Bunkers are open trenches , and vulnerable to air-burst frag rounds by artillery . Is Russia using these ? I wonder ? Does Russia have small robotic ground vehicle ? Or small flying drone ? I know they are available on the market . I am starting to think that , Russia is trying to defeat these troops by letting them surrender , instead of destroying them ?

Sujoy wrote:
Probably a sales pitch for the Javelin by creating the impression that it is so very destructive that Russians were forced to devise Javelin specific counter measures. There is no credible evidence that Western ATGMs were all that successful.

That would be some trick, considering self-aiming top attack submunitions are old ass Soviet technology - this one just came with a stand.

Sujoy wrote:
Ukrainians are mostly using indigenous ATGMs not Javelin or N-LAWs. This proves western ATGMs are nowhere as effective as they were advertised to be.

Their most successful ATGM is the Stugna, which isn't really special aside from the remote launch capability. That, and not top attack geometry is the real game changer because the Russian artillery are apparently staffed by maniacs who will unload a 100 shells on enemy positions because why not lol.

It takes nerves of steel to leave your dugout with a a very recognizable weapon and try to tag a Russian tank in those conditions of firepower overmatch. The Stugna removes much of the physical risk so it actually gets used.

lyle6 wrote:That would be some trick, considering self-aiming top attack submunitions are old ass Soviet technology - this one just came with a stand.

Javelin is basically an uber expensive version of this same Soviet technology and perhaps not even that effective.

GarryB wrote: like setting of Indian members against Chinese members and Russians against Chinese and Indians... sort of like Jhelb and Walle do... except they would be getting paid to do it...

What rubbish. When did I set up Indian members against Chinese and Chinese against Russians? I avoid those third world scumbags like plague.

I only expose those cheats for what they are so that gullible Russian members do not fall in their trap.

Maybe barrel wear is starting to be a problem. Or a need for more heavy direct fire weapons.

Something completely different