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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Dr.Snufflebug Fri May 06, 2022 8:16 pm
Isos wrote:Lol. They missed hahaha. US mighty tech.
Well, operator incompetence rather.
But these tiny kamikaze drones are dangerous, difficult to counter.
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Isos wrote:The precision of the iskander is questionnable... iranian missiles are way more precise frankly.Iskander hit farm pic.twitter.com/LQ8Vj4Ncob
— ZOKA (@200_zoka) May 6, 2022
The first video is a Smerch destroying an S-300 launcher with submunition.
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Shitblade
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caveat emptor wrote:If these numbers are correct, than decision for deployment around Kharkov is a dumb one. Why endanger your flanks and supply lines like that? More people are needed and better sooner than laterArkanghelsk wrote:
American intelligence identifies 7 strategic directions for the placement of Russians:Kharkiv
The approximate length of the front is 100 km . Number of BTG – 5
Km per BTG – 20 km
The length of the front is 60 km
Number of BTG –22
Km per BTG – 2.7 km
The approximate length of the front is 100 km . Number of BTG – 19
Km per BTG – 5.3 km
Number of BTG – 7
Km per BTG – 2.9 km
The approximate length of the front is 140 km . Number of BTG – 20
Km per BTG – 7 km
The length of the front is 130 km
Number of BTG – 13
Km per BTG – 10 km
Number of BTG – 7
Km per BTG – 22.8 km
According to the norms of the Russian ground forces (for 1982), the BTG offensive is conducted at the front 1-2 km, and the defense is up to 5 km. Interestingly, in the US army, the figures are different: 2-4 km on the offensive and 5-8 km on the defensive. Only on 2-3 directions the Russian troops still have the potential to go on the offensive, and immediately on 3 they have a very stretched defense.
There is no need for mobilization, just greater commitment of forces
The norms are only valid against an equally structured opponent = units with armored vehicles, mobile artillery and air defence. Along most part of the frontline(s) the enemy is degraded to light infantry units, close to zero armored vehicles, little artillery and not much air defence. In that areas a Rosgvardija unit with a little artillery support would be enough to fight the enemy.
Did someone see the video of that motorized rifle unit that choose not to obey orders anymore? They stated that 1/3 of their unit was already KIA/WIA. They have no BTR´s, no artillery, no air defence, no air support (of course). They got a rifel and some of them got 1 - 2 hand grenades, also their protective gear is faulty.
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Hole wrote:
Shitblade
Still looks more sophisticated than Orlan series.
I wonder why we are not getting any FOV videos from Ukraine, they love "leaking" videos for their propaganda.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Arkanghelsk Fri May 06, 2022 8:53 pm
The flanks of the Kharkov BTGs are not undefended
20th CAA garrison is at belgorod and bulk of the army is there
The right flank of the Kharkov units number over 20 BTGs
The south is replete with BTG due to 8th CAA
The units at kherson are the 22nd army corps BTG
And there's plenty of reinforcement at Crimea
VDV doesn't seem to be there
Most of the 76th and Gostomel units pulled out of Belarus and went back to garrison
1st GTA is by chernigov and sumy guarding the smolensk gate
The units in Ukraine today are the 8th CAA , 20th CAA, and grouping "O"
The militias are also bulk of forces in donbass
20th CAA garrison is at belgorod and bulk of the army is there
The right flank of the Kharkov units number over 20 BTGs
The south is replete with BTG due to 8th CAA
The units at kherson are the 22nd army corps BTG
And there's plenty of reinforcement at Crimea
VDV doesn't seem to be there
Most of the 76th and Gostomel units pulled out of Belarus and went back to garrison
1st GTA is by chernigov and sumy guarding the smolensk gate
The units in Ukraine today are the 8th CAA , 20th CAA, and grouping "O"
The militias are also bulk of forces in donbass
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Dr.Snufflebug Fri May 06, 2022 8:56 pm
Regular wrote:Hole wrote:
Shitblade
Still looks more sophisticated than Orlan series.
Apples and pears, though. "Switchblade" and its cheapo Ukraine-exclusive variant "Phoenix Ghost" are small loitering munitions.
Orlan-10 is a cheap company-level surveillance/spotting drone and more like the RQ-20 "Puma" which Ukraine demanded the U.S. donate recently. Not particularly sophisticated, doesn't need to be.
Ukraine used to manufacture their own drones of that type ("Spectator" etc), so that they requested $20 mln worth of U.S. ditto suggests that their own manufacturing is dead now.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Dr.Snufflebug Fri May 06, 2022 9:08 pm
Regular wrote:Music warningRobLee wrote:https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1522609558379765761
Ukrainian TB2 UCAV footage showing a Russian Tor air defense TLAR on fire after it was struck on Snake Island.
https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=535698608078539
It looks like there was only 1 system on the island. How long its radar can be active until it needs to be turned off?
6-7 hours, from what I read.
They shot down a big bunch of TB-2s but again, Ukraine practically gets them for free and will keep on grinding until they get some usable footage. Even if it takes five million dollars worth of shot down drones to get some video of a small boat burning. Or in this case, an exhausted Tor unit.
Ukrainian economic realities do not apply here, the U.S. is paying for it.
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Regular wrote:
Still looks more sophisticated than Orlan series.
I wonder why we are not getting any FOV videos from Ukraine, they love "leaking" videos for their propaganda.
Orlan drones come with autotracking of moving targets as standard. Very useful when painting targets for the laser guided Krasnopol for which it is used extensively. This is some grift if these "sophisticated" drones are no better off than the fucking Malyutka when it comes to guidance, requiring an actual operator to hand-hold the entire engagement.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Stealthflanker Fri May 06, 2022 9:28 pm
So apparently there is a leak on Moskva's Technical readiness report. It was dated in Feb 10th 2022. So it's very recent.
She's basically not only skipping her modernization cycles but also not even in fighting condition. The S-300FM illuminator have problems, AK-630 have problems, OSA have problems and apparently her MR-800 Air Search Radar interfered Satcom antenna. and she sent into combat in such condition. so sad.
That's very unfortunate.
She's basically not only skipping her modernization cycles but also not even in fighting condition. The S-300FM illuminator have problems, AK-630 have problems, OSA have problems and apparently her MR-800 Air Search Radar interfered Satcom antenna. and she sent into combat in such condition. so sad.
That's very unfortunate.
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lyle6 wrote:Regular wrote:
Still looks more sophisticated than Orlan series.
I wonder why we are not getting any FOV videos from Ukraine, they love "leaking" videos for their propaganda.
Orlan drones come with autotracking of moving targets as standard. Very useful when painting targets for the laser guided Krasnopol for which it is used extensively. This is some grift if these "sophisticated" drones are no better off than the fucking Malyutka when it comes to guidance, requiring an actual operator to hand-hold the entire engagement.
I personally think the cheaper(shittier) the drone in a functional form - the better. They are expendable and should be used as such. Forcing Ukrainians to use Martel/Stinger/Strela/Igla to shoot down a drone is a win. I personally think that Switchblades are over sophisticated for a grenade role.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Dr.Snufflebug Fri May 06, 2022 9:39 pm
Stealthflanker wrote:So apparently there is a leak on Moskva's Technical readiness report. It was dated in Feb 10th 2022. So it's very recent.
She's basically not only skipping her modernization cycles but also not even in fighting condition. The S-300FM illuminator have problems, AK-630 have problems, OSA have problems and apparently her MR-800 Air Search Radar interfered Satcom antenna. and she sent into combat in such condition. so sad.
That's very unfortunate.
It does explain a lot, but at the same time makes the BSF command look like idiots.
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Another day, another huge cache of western weapons falls in the hands of the Russian military. With such a huge consignment of ATGMs and MANPADS that Russian forces have recovered I won't be surprised if Russia suspends domestic production of these weapons for at least a year.
Most Slavs that I've come across in the West are from Russia, Poland and Ukraine and the vast majority of them including Ukrainians were highly intellectual.
How is it that western countries got such intelligent Ukrainian people to fight a useless war against Russia that Ukraine never had any chance of winning will remain a mystery to me.
At the very least Ukrainian should have asked if Russia is indeed a danger to the West (as stated by western governments) why didn't the west get involved in this conflict directly instead of forcing Ukrainians to become cannon fodder.
Most Slavs that I've come across in the West are from Russia, Poland and Ukraine and the vast majority of them including Ukrainians were highly intellectual.
How is it that western countries got such intelligent Ukrainian people to fight a useless war against Russia that Ukraine never had any chance of winning will remain a mystery to me.
At the very least Ukrainian should have asked if Russia is indeed a danger to the West (as stated by western governments) why didn't the west get involved in this conflict directly instead of forcing Ukrainians to become cannon fodder.
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Stealthflanker wrote:So apparently there is a leak on Moskva's Technical readiness report. It was dated in Feb 10th 2022. So it's very recent.
She's basically not only skipping her modernization cycles but also not even in fighting condition. The S-300FM illuminator have problems, AK-630 have problems, OSA have problems and apparently her MR-800 Air Search Radar interfered Satcom antenna. and she sent into combat in such condition. so sad.
That's very unfortunate.
I would be cautious of a fake Girkin account. Too many fakes on it and he's Ukrainian.
If true and the report is genuine then Igor Osipov is in big shit. Should be easy to confirm for those who want.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Fri May 06, 2022 9:44 pm
Dr.Snufflebug wrote:UA launched several waves of drones and manned aircraft on Zmeyniy over the past 24 hours. After sustaining many losses (several TB-2s, and two Su-24s) they eventually managed to overwhelm the Tor battery there, destroying it.
Seems like more such waves are going on now, with freshlu delivered TB-2s just streaming in.
Meanwhile, the Ukrainian airborne brigades report that the 79th brigade is nearly annihilated, with its remains now publicly complaining to the military leadership. The other 6 brigades have lost some 70%.
Regular wrote:Music warningRobLee wrote:https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1522609558379765761
Ukrainian TB2 UCAV footage showing a Russian Tor air defense TLAR on fire after it was struck on Snake Island.
https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=535698608078539
It looks like there was only 1 system on the island. How long its radar can be active until it needs to be turned off?
Is that the same place? Judging by the video, it was the only system on the island.
In the future, more rockets are needed to better ward off satiety attacks.
These attacks seem to want to clear a certain zone free of charge and despite massive losses.
In the future, two TorM2 System now always means on one point to make it really expensive.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Stealthflanker Fri May 06, 2022 9:45 pm
Regular wrote:
I would be cautious of a fake Girkin account. Too many fakes on it and he's Ukrainian.
If true and the report is genuine then Igor Osipov is in big shit. Should be easy to confirm for those who want.
This Girkin is from 2014. So i guess he's as real as it gets. Unfortunately tho he didnt link the VK page where the report were supposedly posted
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Dr.Snufflebug Fri May 06, 2022 9:47 pm
Regular wrote:Stealthflanker wrote:So apparently there is a leak on Moskva's Technical readiness report. It was dated in Feb 10th 2022. So it's very recent.
She's basically not only skipping her modernization cycles but also not even in fighting condition. The S-300FM illuminator have problems, AK-630 have problems, OSA have problems and apparently her MR-800 Air Search Radar interfered Satcom antenna. and she sent into combat in such condition. so sad.
That's very unfortunate.
I would be cautious of a fake Girkin account. Too many fakes on it and he's Ukrainian.
If true and the report is genuine then Igor Osipov is in big shit. Should be easy to confirm for those who want.
Yes, caution always applies.
But it is obvious that Russia routinely overestimates the usefulness of "forces in being" as a deterrance. UA doesn't give a damn, and on occasion this gung ho zeal of theirs calls the bluff.
And this would fit into that pattern.
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Trouble with Alex is he spends too much time sarcastically quoting Western fake news, which gets boring, and unintentionally reinforces their narrative, if he would stick to confirmed events he would get a larger audience.sepheronx wrote:
This is a problem on RT and Sputnik, they too often quote unsubstantiated Western claims, then debunk them in the fine print, but the damage is already done in the headlines which often people don't read past.
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A ship filmed burning. Clearly not a Grigorovitch frigate just by looking at the radar. Maybe NATO ship.
Edit: it was a fake I deleted it.
Edit: it was a fake I deleted it.
Last edited by Isos on Fri May 06, 2022 10:25 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Arkanghelsk Fri May 06, 2022 10:10 pm
If that ship was sent into combat position without functioning radars, interference because of sat com
Malfunctioning CIWS, and other, the commander should be relieved, and brought to court for incompetence
I'm not talking about ship commander, I'm talking about fleet commander
The story on moskva makes sense and I have seen these commanders order units without functioning equipment
Malfunctioning CIWS, and other, the commander should be relieved, and brought to court for incompetence
I'm not talking about ship commander, I'm talking about fleet commander
The story on moskva makes sense and I have seen these commanders order units without functioning equipment
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Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Regular wrote:Music warningRobLee wrote:https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1522609558379765761
Ukrainian TB2 UCAV footage showing a Russian Tor air defense TLAR on fire after it was struck on Snake Island.
https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=535698608078539
It looks like there was only 1 system on the island. How long its radar can be active until it needs to be turned off?
6-7 hours, from what I read.
They shot down a big bunch of TB-2s but again, Ukraine practically gets them for free and will keep on grinding until they get some usable footage. Even if it takes five million dollars worth of shot down drones to get some video of a small boat burning. Or in this case, an exhausted Tor unit.
Ukrainian economic realities do not apply here, the U.S. is paying for it.
Wrong. The regime in Washington is not paying for it, it is giving loans. That´s why they so eager that "Ukraine" keeps existing after the war, the poor fellows will have to pay everything back, with interest, of course.
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Stealthflanker Fri May 06, 2022 10:12 pm
Isos wrote:A ship filmed burning. Clearly not a Grigorovitch frigate just by looking at the radar. Maybe NATO ship.
It is Grigorovich.. except that it's from ARMA III game
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Stealthflanker Fri May 06, 2022 10:17 pm
Arkanghelsk wrote:
The story on moskva makes sense and I have seen these commanders order units without functioning equipment
it's infuriating TBH.
Kinda reminds me with story of loss of our submarine Nanggala. The ship was in poor condition apparently, underwater communication system not functioning and basic safety apparently violated (e.g not bringing Oxygen candle) and the ship apparently have electrical problem which remain unsolved. Our admirals blamed "natural factor" for the loss. Disgusting.
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PapaDragon Fri May 06, 2022 10:35 pm
andalusia wrote:Have you guys heard about US officials admitting US intelligence involvement in sinking of Slava Class cruiser?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-intel-helped-ukraine-sink-213149015.html
Russia has nobody but itself to blame for Moskva
All this talk about USA or UAVs or E3s or whatever is just ''dog ate my homework'' level excuse
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