Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:This special surgery shows one thing quite well. With drones ala TB-2 and with high Support and care, you can annoy the enemy a little. But it is very, very expensive when TorM2 is there. But if you have no AD, especially no TorM2 you are lost.

It won't be long and everyone will want to buy Tor. The NATO have no Unit and Weapon in this Class  = Lose hard on the Ground.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

It's a withdrawal like Kiev

Holding the line close to Kharkov with 5 BTG is worthless

Bringing them into the open is the way to go,

It's simple doctrine, transition from defense to counterattack to offense

We are still in defense despite west predicting phase 2 weeks ago

Why shift to the offense when the enemy is destroying their own capability chasing Russian army into an artillery gridlock that's zeroed every inch of real estate on the grid map

They're gonna get blown to smithereens as in every engagement of this war

Russia has ample forces, but it won't throw them into a senseless defensive position,  it will hold them in 2nd and 3rd echelon until offensive begins

This isn't western doctrine, it's warfare of General Staff

Azi wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

It's a withdrawal like Kiev

Holding the line close to Kharkov with 5 BTG is worthless

Bringing them into the open is the way to go,

It's simple doctrine, transition from defense to counterattack to offense

We are still in defense despite west predicting phase 2 weeks ago

Why shift to the offense when the enemy is destroying their own capability chasing Russian army into an artillery gridlock that's zeroed every inch of real estate on the grid map

They're gonna get blown to smithereens as in every engagement of this war

Russia has ample forces, but it won't throw them into a senseless defensive position,  it will hold them in 2nd and 3rd echelon until offensive begins

This isn't western doctrine, it's warfare of General Staff

We will see...if they retreat further it's a pushback and a defeat. If they will hold the line and pound the Ukro Nazis as hard as they can it could be a genius move. The line between genius and madness is thin...same applies to defeat or glorious victory.

We will see!

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

It's a withdrawal like Kiev

ludovicense wrote:The world goes around many times.... things started badly for Russia with the somewhat botched attempt to win the war quickly.... it didn't work....

ludovicense wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Belisarius wrote:

diabetus wrote:UAF MiG-29 blatantly flying over donetsk oblast in broad daylight...

Ukrainian Air Force MiG-29 fighter shot down near Severodonetsk

Blatantly shot down

Being a Ukrainian air force pilot must be the worst job in the world.

PapaDragon wrote:

Belisarius wrote:

diabetus wrote:UAF MiG-29 blatantly flying over donetsk oblast in broad daylight...

Ukrainian Air Force MiG-29 fighter shot down near Severodonetsk

Blatantly shot down

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

It's a withdrawal like Kiev

Holding the line close to Kharkov with 5 BTG is worthless

Bringing them into the open is the way to go,

It's simple doctrine, transition from defense to counterattack to offense

We are still in defense despite west predicting phase 2 weeks ago

Why shift to the offense when the enemy is destroying their own capability chasing Russian army into an artillery gridlock that's zeroed every inch of real estate on the grid map

They're gonna get blown to smithereens as in every engagement of this war

Russia has ample forces, but it won't throw them into a senseless defensive position,  it will hold them in 2nd and 3rd echelon until offensive begins

This isn't western doctrine, it's warfare of General Staff

JohninMK wrote:Hit it up the bum by the look of it. This is the burnt out T-90M seen before.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1523979424433156096

JohninMK wrote:Hit it up the bum by the look of it. This is the burnt out T-90M seen before.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1523979424433156096

Azi wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Hit it up the bum by the look of it. This is the burnt out T-90M seen before.

Looks like the rocket was shot out of the forest. Definitely a hit in the back left.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

It's a withdrawal like Kiev

Holding the line close to Kharkov with 5 BTG is worthless

Bringing them into the open is the way to go,

It's simple doctrine, transition from defense to counterattack to offense

We are still in defense despite west predicting phase 2 weeks ago

Why shift to the offense when the enemy is destroying their own capability chasing Russian army into an artillery gridlock that's zeroed every inch of real estate on the grid map

They're gonna get blown to smithereens as in every engagement of this war

Russia has ample forces, but it won't throw them into a senseless defensive position,  it will hold them in 2nd and 3rd echelon until offensive begins

This isn't western doctrine, it's warfare of General Staff

JohninMK wrote:

Azi wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Hit it up the bum by the look of it. This is the burnt out T-90M seen before.

Looks like the rocket was shot out of the forest. Definitely a hit in the back left.

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Correction, firendly tank from north hit him.....

For some reason tank was abandoned, crew fled while they blew up tank

He was destroyed by his own forces so that would not be Ghanima

Azi wrote:The problem with withdrawing from Kharkov is that the Ukraine thinks it can win... morale will increase and more and more people will join the fight.

Azi wrote:In addition, the west will also believe that it can win the war against Russia and deliver more and better weapon systems.

Azi wrote:It's not just about the military here, the psychological factor must not be forgotten here. A retreat might save the lives of dozens of Russian soldiers, but many more will die as a result of Ukraine's moral victory.

Azi wrote:I don't know if they take that into account in the Russian General Staff? In addition I see Bucha 2.0 incoming.

PapaDragon wrote:
Moral victory never delivered war victory

Moral is irrelevant

PapaDragon wrote:

Azi wrote:The problem with withdrawing from Kharkov is that the Ukraine thinks it can win... morale will increase and more and more people will join the fight.

Good, more Nazis for fertilizer

Azi wrote:In addition, the west will also believe that it can win the war against Russia and deliver more and better weapon systems.

Good, more fuel for the cruise missile fire

Azi wrote:It's not just about the military here, the psychological factor must not be forgotten here. A retreat might save the lives of dozens of Russian soldiers, but many more will die as a result of Ukraine's moral victory.

Moral victory never delivered war victory

Moral is irrelevant

Azi wrote:I don't know if they take that into account in the Russian General Staff? In addition I see Bucha 2.0 incoming.

Too small area for another Bucha

Besides, if Ukrops need another one they will easily manufacture it anywhere they need to

Azi wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Moral victory never delivered war victory

Moral is irrelevant

I would say that is the most important factor of all....much more important than modern weapons Without morals there is no fight! When morale is high, you fight to the last man, to the last breath.

lyle6 wrote:Men are meat. Your morale, spirit, elan, call it whatever, will not save you when the bullet meets the bone.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:The huge grouping in Belarus never left either

Russia left behind immense forces in Belarus

Waiting for Poland to make their move

Poland isn't going to go into the war, with their own troops.

So that excuse for holding back is just a silly ass excuse.

Also didn't you say Russians forces aren't taking any losses in their slow advance, you need to stop saying ridiculous things.

If the Russians have these immense forces you speak of, they should have been committed by now or at least parts of them.

Yet I see none of that