Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:I wonder why they never tried big attack in the south? West of Novoselka amd east of Gulyaipole. Terrain there heavily favours Russians, being mostly flat and barren. No major cities as well.

I keep asking the same thing. Multipronged attacks are  essential to encircle enemy forces and cut off supply lines, yet there has been 0 advance. This is why I view the Russians as incompetent. Not because of lack of advances in the Donbass, but lack of multipronged attacks in the south.

Regarding the pontoon bridge vehicle massacre, it's still up in the air. Despite the nonsensical nature of those vehicles destruction, you can clearly see an O marking on one of the BMPs no matter(on top for aircraft to see it) how much pei here pretend it's not there.  You can see a destroyed BMP-3. Now AFAIK the O grouping is the most competent, with more access to thermals and drones, and they specialize in special forces recon and anti saboteur opérations, not large scale armor attacks, so it doesn't make sense why they would get bogged down with cold war vehicles. Maybe the vehicles were from both sides.

Also, it seems like Ukraine still has 3+ operational captured T-80BVMs as shown in their may 9 parade mocking Russia. This lends credence to large amounts of Russian vehicles being captured , especially up in the north where the Arctic brigade operating the T-80BVMs was

nomadski wrote:
Two points :

( 1 ) On terrain full of Rivers , Bridges for River crossings , may no longer be viable option . Need Amphibian vehicles , or convert Tanks to Boat , for River crossings .

( 2 ) To stop the enemy using captured or abandoned vehicles , supply demolition charge to crew . Or alternatively attach GPS tracker , for homing Iskander !



https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-funny-tanks-of-d-day

sepheronx wrote:I'm noticing a trend on this forums. Was kinda here but not nearly as bad years ago. Lots of members providing a lot of fake information or spreading Ukrainian propaganda.  I don't seem to remember seeing the same of Georgian propaganda in the 2008 war even on mp.net

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

diabetus wrote:The river crossing doesn't seem to be fake.

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:I wonder why they never tried big attack in the south? West of Novoselka amd east of Gulyaipole. Terrain there heavily favours Russians, being mostly flat and barren. No major cities as well.

I keep asking the same thing. Multipronged attacks are essential to encircle enemy forces and cut off supply lines, yet there has been 0 advance. This is why I view the Russians as incompetent. Not because of lack of advances in the Donbass, but lack of multipronged attacks in the south.

Regarding the pontoon bridge vehicle massacre, it's still up in the air. Despite the nonsensical nature of those vehicles destruction, you can clearly see an O marking on one of the BMPs no matter(on top for aircraft to see it) how much pei here pretend it's not there. You can see a destroyed BMP-3. Now AFAIK the O grouping is the most competent, with more access to thermals and drones, and they specialize in special forces recon and anti saboteur opérations, not large scale armor attacks, so it doesn't make sense why they would get bogged down with cold war vehicles. Maybe the vehicles were from both sides.

Also, it seems like Ukraine still has 3+ operational captured T-80BVMs as shown in their may 9 parade mocking Russia. This lends credence to large amounts of Russian vehicles being captured , especially up in the north where the Arctic brigade operating the T-80BVMs was

We know a lot of Russian tanks were abandoned during the initial advance. That's mostly when/where they were captured. Still, 3 BVMs is not a lot. They'll have some Us too, T-72B3s and whatever else - but it's peanuts. Most of that stuff was probably destroyed by now.

The Russian troops tried to build the crossing itself three times (bridges A, B, C) from May 7 to 11, of course, in the same place. The classic Chernobaevka syndrome - the Ukrainians destroy the equipment of the RF Armed Forces, the Russian command brings in new equipment, then the cycle repeats. The lack of learning of the Russian command, after 3 months of non-war, is frightening.

In total, the losses of the RF Armed Forces were confirmed by the photo:
- 6 tanks (No. 34, 41, 44, 46, 53, 54);
- 14 infantry fighting vehicles (No. 03, 07, 24, 25, 26, 31, 37, 39, 42, 52, 56, 58, 59, 62);
- 8 MT-LB (No. 20, 21, 22, 23, 33, 43, 55, 63);
- 2 boats (No. 35, 45);
- 1 BREM (No. 36);
- 1 PTS (No. 50);
- 4 special vehicles with pontoon links (No. 38, 47, 48, 49);
- 8 units of unknown vehicles (No. 08, 32, 40, 51, 57, 60, 61, 64).

The losses incurred by armored vehicles correspond to an almost complete armored personnel carrier, and it was not lost during the battle with superior enemy forces, as the Russian Defense Ministry likes to report, but solely because of the incompetence of the Russian command (my personal opinion).
Regarding my repost about the losses of our troops and the blows of the Ukronazis.

If you want fairy tales, then you have come to the wrong place. Then you are in officialdom and to those who speak and show "correctly." There will be no dirt and blood.

It's different for me. In time to get together, give the right assessment, speak good for the good, and bad for the bad, but the TRUTH.

And you want to sit in a warm bath and "fight": cozy, soft and affectionate, wellcome to the TV eye. There you will find a lot of things for the delight of hearing, eyes and what else, to whom you like. If you want the truth, have the truth. He who has ears, let him hear, eyes, let him see.

War is such a thing, folks. Bloody. I am telling you not as a court commissar, but as a miraculous survivor of a direct missile hit. And I carry my pieces with me. Fight, and tell me for life.

And in war it happens that we suffer losses. Know this and ... be silent if you have nothing to say in essence. Listen, and draw conclusions, if there is anything.

Sprut-B wrote:...Wives of Ukrainian soldiers are protesting  
https://t.me/intelslava/28381

In Ukraine, another rally of women - they complain that their husbands are thrown to the front line without preparation, ammunition, just like cannon fodder

PhSt wrote:NATzO Propagandists are pushing the narrative that Russian soldiers are giving away their positions by using cellphones for communication. What is your take on this?...

PapaDragon wrote:

PhSt wrote:NATzO Propagandists are pushing the narrative that Russian soldiers are giving away their positions by using cellphones for communication. What is your take on this?...

Russia went full Bomber Harris (God bless his beautiful soul) on OPSEC to such extent that we can't even get a decent Twitter post from Russian grunts on the frontlines but now we are supposed to believe this shit?

My take is that this is horseshit

sepheronx wrote:While it's a generalization but if the Ukrainians were top notch in the noggin, then they wouldn't have gotten into this whole mess in the first place.

But I wager that a huge portion of them are rather limited in Grey matter between the ears.

limb wrote:So is that telegram channel's claim that the Russians failed to force the river 3 times and got a lot of vehicles destroyed true?

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:So is that telegram channel's claim that the Russians failed to force the river 3 times and got a lot of vehicles destroyed true?

Who are you asking?

No-one here knows

But I did notice no other channel talking about this claim. Which is bad news

If these are Russian vehicles, then this is truly horrific incompetence.

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:So is that telegram channel's claim that the Russians failed to force the river 3 times and got a lot of vehicles destroyed true?

Who are you asking?

No-one here knows

But I did notice no other channel talking about this claim. Which is bad news

If these are Russian vehicles, then this is truly horrific incompetence.

sepheronx wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:So is that telegram channel's claim that the Russians failed to force the river 3 times and got a lot of vehicles destroyed true?

Who are you asking?

No-one here knows

But I did notice no other channel talking about this claim. Which is bad news

If these are Russian vehicles, then this is truly horrific incompetence.

If it was true, it would have been reported everywhere, even reverse side of the medal.

Nothing.

So I would wager limb is lying.

Python, I expect better from you to fall so easily to cheap propaganda.

They may as well say they killed thousands of Russians in one strike. Doesn't mean it's true.

https://t.me/intelslava/28696

M777A2 was captured.

sepheronx wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:So is that telegram channel's claim that the Russians failed to force the river 3 times and got a lot of vehicles destroyed true?

Who are you asking?

No-one here knows

But I did notice no other channel talking about this claim. Which is bad news

If these are Russian vehicles, then this is truly horrific incompetence.

If it was true, it would have been reported everywhere, even reverse side of the medal.

Nothing.

So I would wager limb is lying.

Python, I expect better from you to fall so easily to cheap propaganda.

They may as well say they killed thousands of Russians in one strike. Doesn't mean it's true.

https://t.me/intelslava/28696

M777A2 was captured.