Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15

Stupid shit happens. In 1991 Serbian army tried to enter into city of Vukovar with tank column that didn't have any infantry support. Similar happened in Grozny. I could name dozens of stupid mistakes that proffesional officers make, that wouldn't be made by sergeants. Best way to deal with it is too replace commanders that made those calls and make sure they don't happen anymore.
War is the best way to separate wheat from the chaff.

sepheronx wrote:

https://t.me/intelslava/28696

M777A2 was captured.

So they can get them to the LDNR which means that their mobility is not fully suppressed.

kvs wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

https://t.me/intelslava/28696

M777A2 was captured.

So they can get them to the LDNR which means that their mobility is not fully suppressed.  

They will always have means of transportation.

sepheronx wrote:

kvs wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

https://t.me/intelslava/28696

M777A2 was captured.

So they can get them to the LDNR which means that their mobility is not fully suppressed.  

They will always have means of transportation.

Railway is up and running with some delays.

caveat emptor wrote:Stupid shit happens. In 1991 Serbian army tried to enter into city of Vukovar with tank column that didn't have any infantry support. Similar happened in Grozny. I could name dozens of stupid mistakes that proffesional officers make, that wouldn't be made by sergeants. Best way to deal with it is too replace commanders that made those calls and make sure they don't happen anymore.
War is the best way to separate wheat from the chaff.

This is why I hate appeals to authority that somehow officers and generals on the field know what theyre doing

caveat emptor wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

kvs wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

https://t.me/intelslava/28696

M777A2 was captured.

So they can get them to the LDNR which means that their mobility is not fully suppressed.  

They will always have means of transportation.

Railway is up and running with some delays.

Even I'll admit there seems to be strategic errors coming from Russia. Kharkov especially.

Then again, I'm not sure what the plans are. It isn't like there is a single person leading this fight. Instead multiple generals and commanders. We don't know everything for sure, Russia keeps tight lipped but Ukraine posts a lot.

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Stupid shit happens. In 1991 Serbian army tried to enter into city of Vukovar with tank column that didn't have any infantry support. Similar happened in Grozny. I could name dozens of stupid mistakes that proffesional officers make, that wouldn't be made by sergeants. Best way to deal with it is too replace commanders that made those calls and make sure they don't happen anymore.
War is the best way to separate wheat from the chaff.

This is why I hate appeals to authority that somehow officers and generals on the field know what theyre doing

Ambitious and incomptetent officers throughout history, often kill more soldiers than enemy. You don't have to be some military strategist to know that.
MacArthur, even if he was not incomptetent fucked up Philippines operation so bad that US lost 150000 people.

Summary of hostilities on May 12, 2022 from Vladislav Coal

Briefly: the displacement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the suburbs of Rubizhne, the advance in the area of ​​​​Krasny Liman and Avdiivka, the beginning of the offensive from Popasna to encircle Zolote.

Kharkiv direction - Ukrainians control the line Prudyanka - Pitomnik - Rubizhne. Fighting continues in the Liptsy region. In the Chuguev area - no changes. South of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not leave attempts to force the Seversky Donets near Chepil.

PAVLOGRAD ARCH:

The northern flank of the arc (from Izyum to Popasnaya) - in the area of ​​Izyum, fighting continues along the entire front, tactical advance to Dolgenkiy (heights taken). East of Oskol, there is information about the liberation of Novoselovka, advance to Drobyshevo and the retreat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Yampol, previously liberated by the Russians. The operation to cross the Seversky Donets in the area of ​​Belogorovka and Shipilovka continues. In the Rubezhnoye area, the enemy was driven out to the right bank of Borovaya, and Voevodovka was liberated. Previously, the advanced units of the NM of the LPR entered Severodonetsk, the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed the bridge between Voevodovka and Severodonetsk. On Bakhmutka, battles for Orekhovo continue, advancement in Toshkovka.

The Central Front (from Popasnaya to Marinka) - from Popasnaya to cut the fortified area of ​​the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Zolotoy, they marched on Kamyshevakha. In the direction of Artemovsk and Svetlodarsk, fire training is carried out on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Troitskoye. In the Avdeevka area, an offensive is underway on Kamenka, Novokalinovo, Novoselovka Second and Novoselovka in order to cut the Avdeevka-Konstantinovka highway. In Maryinka and Novomikhailovka - no changes.

The southern flank of the arc (from the Dnieper River to Maryinka) - there is no information about the change in the front line.

Mariupol cauldron - the assault on Azovstal continues, the enemy has lost one of the ways to collect water.

Kherson-Nikolaev direction - the front line is unchanged: the Black Sea - Aleksandrovka - Maksimovka - Snigirevka - Vysokopolie - the Dnieper River.

https://t.me/swodki/94480

caveat emptor wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Stupid shit happens. In 1991 Serbian army tried to enter into city of Vukovar with tank column that didn't have any infantry support. Similar happened in Grozny. I could name dozens of stupid mistakes that proffesional officers make, that wouldn't be made by sergeants. Best way to deal with it is too replace commanders that made those calls and make sure they don't happen anymore.
War is the best way to separate wheat from the chaff.

This is why I hate appeals to authority that somehow officers and generals on the field know what theyre doing

Ambitious and incomptetent officers throughout history, often kill more soldiers than enemy. You don't have to be some military strategist to know that.
MacArthur, even if he was not incomptetent fucked up Philippines operation so bad that US lost 150000 people.

Im still looking for confirmation that these destroyed vehicles are russian. I simply can't believe russian commanders would be so incompetent as to mindlessly send these troops to get massacred. I thought the whole point of slow advance was to do meticulous recon rather than to get ambushed at chokepoints. I thought corruption in the russian army was stamped out so that repeats of grozny would never happen.



Also fact that theres so many destroyed BMPs by the pontoon bridge can be explained that the river banks are steep and muddy, and the river current is too fast, so fording the river would very dangerous.

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Stupid shit happens. In 1991 Serbian army tried to enter into city of Vukovar with tank column that didn't have any infantry support. Similar happened in Grozny. I could name dozens of stupid mistakes that proffesional officers make, that wouldn't be made by sergeants. Best way to deal with it is too replace commanders that made those calls and make sure they don't happen anymore.
War is the best way to separate wheat from the chaff.

This is why I hate appeals to authority that somehow officers and generals on the field know what theyre doing

Ambitious and incomptetent officers throughout history, often kill more soldiers than enemy. You don't have to be some military strategist to know that.
MacArthur, even if he was not incomptetent fucked up Philippines operation so bad that US lost 150000 people.

Im still looking for confirmation that these destroyed vehicles are russian. I simply can't believe russian commanders would be so incompetent as to mindlessly send these troops to get massacred. I thought the whole point of slow advance was to do meticulous recon rather than to get ambushed at chokepoints. I thought corruption in the russian army was stamped out so that repeats of grozny would never happen.



Also fact that theres so many destroyed BMPs by the pontoon bridge can be explained that the river banks are steep and muddy, and the river current is too fast, so fording the river would very dangerous.

Hello guys. I looked at the tracks on the ground this scene was very likely staged.

Usually when a vehicle was destroyed, there would have been stuff littered everywhere around it, and bodies of dead crews. But the scene was clean, apart from a few blown off turrets. So someone had cleaned them up, but cleaning up requires vehicles, and there were no tracks for these vehicles.

If a vehicle was hit, common sense says other vehicles around it, would have moved around, back and forth, stop and turn etc, to either fight back or avoid further incoming missiles. But there were no indication of such movements. It seemed all vehicles were driven there and nicely parked there. One of the tanks literally drove straight to that "semi submerged" position for photo posing.

Many tanks were intact without any damage. Common sense says you'd hit them first so there would be no return fire from tank guns. But it seems those who staged this scene were quite economical, they over used their missles on those poor BMPs to make it look dramatic and kind enough to leave the tanks alone without any damage. So they can drive the tanks away later maybe.

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Stupid shit happens. In 1991 Serbian army tried to enter into city of Vukovar with tank column that didn't have any infantry support. Similar happened in Grozny. I could name dozens of stupid mistakes that proffesional officers make, that wouldn't be made by sergeants. Best way to deal with it is too replace commanders that made those calls and make sure they don't happen anymore.
War is the best way to separate wheat from the chaff.

This is why I hate appeals to authority that somehow officers and generals on the field know what theyre doing

Ambitious and incomptetent officers throughout history, often kill more soldiers than enemy. You don't have to be some military strategist to know that.
MacArthur, even if he was not incomptetent fucked up Philippines operation so bad that US lost 150000 people.

Im still looking for confirmation that these destroyed vehicles are russian. I simply can't believe russian commanders would be so incompetent as to mindlessly send these troops to get massacred. I thought the whole point of slow advance was to do meticulous recon rather than to get ambushed at chokepoints. I thought corruption in the russian army was stamped out so that repeats of grozny would never happen.



Also fact that theres so many destroyed BMPs by the pontoon bridge can be explained that the river banks are steep and muddy, and the river current is too fast, so fording the river would very dangerous.

You can't slowly cross a choke point like a river crossing though unless you're able to have lots of air coverage like multiple attack helos orbiting ahead and something like an ac-130 too.

British propaganda itself shows the western grouping of forces waiting for Ukrainians to bulk up near Stary Saltov

This is gonna be a light show

The ukros moving right into range of divisional artillery

Savage shit we are to see

Russian forces are chilling quietly on the border

diabetus wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Stupid shit happens. In 1991 Serbian army tried to enter into city of Vukovar with tank column that didn't have any infantry support. Similar happened in Grozny. I could name dozens of stupid mistakes that proffesional officers make, that wouldn't be made by sergeants. Best way to deal with it is too replace commanders that made those calls and make sure they don't happen anymore.
War is the best way to separate wheat from the chaff.

This is why I hate appeals to authority that somehow officers and generals on the field know what theyre doing

Ambitious and incomptetent officers throughout history, often kill more soldiers than enemy. You don't have to be some military strategist to know that.
MacArthur, even if he was not incomptetent fucked up Philippines operation so bad that US lost 150000 people.

Im still looking for confirmation that these destroyed vehicles are russian. I simply can't believe russian commanders would be so incompetent as to mindlessly send these troops to get massacred. I thought the whole point of slow advance was to do meticulous recon rather than to get ambushed at chokepoints. I thought corruption in the russian army was stamped out so that repeats of grozny would never happen.



Also fact that theres so many destroyed BMPs by the pontoon bridge can be explained that the river banks are steep and muddy, and the river current is too fast, so fording the river would very dangerous.

You can't slowly cross a choke point like a river crossing though unless you're able to have lots of air coverage like multiple attack helos orbiting ahead and something like an ac-130 too.

Well Russia just happens to have a lot of helicopters, drones and air superiority.

onwiththewar wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Stupid shit happens. In 1991 Serbian army tried to enter into city of Vukovar with tank column that didn't have any infantry support. Similar happened in Grozny. I could name dozens of stupid mistakes that proffesional officers make, that wouldn't be made by sergeants. Best way to deal with it is too replace commanders that made those calls and make sure they don't happen anymore.
War is the best way to separate wheat from the chaff.

This is why I hate appeals to authority that somehow officers and generals on the field know what theyre doing

Ambitious and incomptetent officers throughout history, often kill more soldiers than enemy. You don't have to be some military strategist to know that.
MacArthur, even if he was not incomptetent fucked up Philippines operation so bad that US lost 150000 people.

Im still looking for confirmation that these destroyed vehicles are russian. I simply can't believe russian commanders would be so incompetent as to mindlessly send these troops to get massacred. I thought the whole point of slow advance was to do meticulous recon rather than to get ambushed at chokepoints. I thought corruption in the russian army was stamped out so that repeats of grozny would never happen.



Also fact that theres so many destroyed BMPs by the pontoon bridge can be explained that the river banks are steep and muddy, and the river current is too fast, so fording the river would very dangerous.

Hello guys. I looked at the tracks on the ground this scene was very likely staged.

Usually when a vehicle was destroyed, there would have been stuff littered everywhere around it, and bodies of dead crews. But the scene was clean, apart from a few blown off turrets. So someone had cleaned them up, but cleaning up requires vehicles, and there were no tracks for these vehicles.

If a vehicle was hit, common sense says other vehicles around it, would have moved around, back and forth, stop and turn etc, to either fight back or avoid further incoming missiles. But there were no indication of such movements. It seemed all vehicles were driven there and nicely parked there.  One of the tanks literally drove straight to that "semi submerged" position for photo posing.

Many tanks were intact without any damage. Common sense says you'd hit them first so there would be no return fire from tank guns. But it seems those who staged this scene were quite economical, they over used their missles on those poor BMPs to make it look dramatic and kind enough to leave the tanks alone without any damage. So they can drive the tanks away later maybe.

I kind of doubt the Ukrainians had resources and time to drive vehicles up and destroy them in order to pass them as Russian vehicles. We have to use Occam's razor here. What's more likely? Russian commanders in this sector were retards and squandered a BTG in 3 ambushes withput proper recon and air support, or Ukrainians parked their own vehicles in a way to pretend like they're doing a river Crossing, and then destroying/abandoning them?

I am not saying its not Russian losses I have no proof of anything , however I am still sceptical about this story, because the Wehrmacht propagandist often post videos of everything and anything they can show as “winning” , close ups, multiple angles, i mean couple of days ago western media still showed high res photos and videos of destroyed Russian armour from Kiev portraying it as current Russian losses.
Ask yourself why they would need to do that.

I doubt they staged this scene, brought in vehicles etc, it is a bit ludicrous, but its strange to me only to publish photos taken from a drone which could have easily done a fly by close enough, photos as we all know can be doctored quite easily.
They may have managed to destroy a pontoon bridge take a few vehicles out, than took images doctored them to look like carnage and here we are…
They could also be a collection of images taken from the other crossing in Kiev and further north towards izyum where Russians did lose a few vehicles… nothing on this scale but all scrambled together?

Also don't forget they have hired professional propaganda firms, plus the entire Nato apparatus is working actively on psy ops

They have made preposterous claims before , which were later proven to be false, so Until I at least see a proper video, with close ups,  I am not convinced.

JohninMK wrote:Confirming many in the West's view re many Ukrainian girls, attractive but stupid/easily led.

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some Azov girls - the right one was just on Italian TV - crying for her friend trapped in Azovstal - and even got an audience in the Vatican...
(All you need to know about the brainwashing level in the Woke West)

Don't worry about Pope Francis. After executing their husbands, they will be fertilized by beautiful Russian men, it is necessary to increase the birth rate of the Slavic race.

limb wrote:

onwiththewar wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Stupid shit happens. In 1991 Serbian army tried to enter into city of Vukovar with tank column that didn't have any infantry support. Similar happened in Grozny. I could name dozens of stupid mistakes that proffesional officers make, that wouldn't be made by sergeants. Best way to deal with it is too replace commanders that made those calls and make sure they don't happen anymore.
War is the best way to separate wheat from the chaff.

This is why I hate appeals to authority that somehow officers and generals on the field know what theyre doing

Ambitious and incomptetent officers throughout history, often kill more soldiers than enemy. You don't have to be some military strategist to know that.
MacArthur, even if he was not incomptetent fucked up Philippines operation so bad that US lost 150000 people.

Im still looking for confirmation that these destroyed vehicles are russian. I simply can't believe russian commanders would be so incompetent as to mindlessly send these troops to get massacred. I thought the whole point of slow advance was to do meticulous recon rather than to get ambushed at chokepoints. I thought corruption in the russian army was stamped out so that repeats of grozny would never happen.



Also fact that theres so many destroyed BMPs by the pontoon bridge can be explained that the river banks are steep and muddy, and the river current is too fast, so fording the river would very dangerous.

Hello guys. I looked at the tracks on the ground this scene was very likely staged.

Usually when a vehicle was destroyed, there would have been stuff littered everywhere around it, and bodies of dead crews. But the scene was clean, apart from a few blown off turrets. So someone had cleaned them up, but cleaning up requires vehicles, and there were no tracks for these vehicles.

If a vehicle was hit, common sense says other vehicles around it, would have moved around, back and forth, stop and turn etc, to either fight back or avoid further incoming missiles. But there were no indication of such movements. It seemed all vehicles were driven there and nicely parked there.  One of the tanks literally drove straight to that "semi submerged" position for photo posing.

Many tanks were intact without any damage. Common sense says you'd hit them first so there would be no return fire from tank guns. But it seems those who staged this scene were quite economical, they over used their missles on those poor BMPs to make it look dramatic and kind enough to leave the tanks alone without any damage. So they can drive the tanks away later maybe.

I kind of doubt the Ukrainians had resources and time to drive vehicles up and destroy them in order to pass them as Russian vehicles. We have to use Occam's razor here. What's more likely? Russian commanders in this sector were retards and squandered a BTG in 3 ambushes withput proper recon and air support, or Ukrainians parked their own vehicles in a way to pretend like they're doing a river Crossing, and then destroying/abandoning them?

Fortunately i don't see many bodies around. The vehicles are easily replaceable.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Hole wrote:

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/NovichokRossiya/status/1524692422508388352

German army in 1945 looked better.

Who are these guys?  The 131rd Mechanised Infantry - Retired Cooks & Drivers company?

File this pic next to teh Oxford dictionary entry for "desperation".

University professors are fighting in the Ukraine. They have used all the human resources at their disposal.
But the media like to talk about the losses of Russia, which has barely mobilized its human resources.

The rivering crossing looks real by all standards, But if the commander lost his BTG trying the same shit three times.....who the **** gave that Buffon a command position

Like seriously and they are doing bad against Ukraine, against NATO the russians would get their teeth kicked in with this level of performance

Hole wrote:Those western commentators are always suggesting that the russian people should be outraged about losses and bring down the government while their own governments started one war after the other with tens of thousand of dead western soldiers/mercenaries and the politicians that did this are heralded as great leaders/statesmen.

The United States fights with immigrants, while its fat, hedonist and homosexual youth watch television or play videogames
Vietnam was the last "real" war of the USA people.

sepheronx wrote:

If it was true, it would have been reported everywhere, even reverse side of the medal.

Nothing.

It was reported on Reuters. Attempting a major river crossing with no air power backup? If this happened the commander should definitely be relived and be peeling potatos for the rest of the war.